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Windows 10/11 only has Task view, Return to Desktop and Windows Snap. All requiring actual clicks (apart from Windows Snap).

MacOS has Mission Control/Expose, App View, Task View, Desktop Peek. And with BTT you can even drag windows to maximize or stick them to a corner. All WITHOUT requiring a click (just drag to hot corners).


Safari has open tabs thumbnail layout going as far back as Catalina. Windows Google Chrome STILL doesn’t have a thumbnail browser of your open tabs
Uh, windows snap is completely controllable through keyboard shortcuts. And I have to install 3rd party apps to even get snap functionality on Mac.
 
Uh, windows snap is completely controllable through keyboard shortcuts. And I have to install 3rd party apps to even get snap functionality on Mac.
...and when you define a a pair of "half-screen" apps, resize the one, adjusting automatically the other one to the rest of the screen without overlapping. You can't even get that with extra-apps on macOS.
It's standard on Win11 and I love it.
 
How can you explain that this "clunky and unreliable" OS is the standard in business?
Are all IT departments stupid?
Speaking as the manager of IT in a corporate environment, I can tell you that we have always run a mix of Windows an Mac systems - depending on the need of specific users/functions. We buy Windows PC because they are cheap(er) than Macs - typically we use desktop PCs rather than laptops, but on a 5 year capital investment program, Dells cost about half what a comparable Mac would be.

The thing is though that this is only the capital investment program. This is the way the business costs it's IT, because hardware is the up-front 'charge' to our balance sheet to be amortized over the 5 year plan. This isn't because we think in those terms, but because the bank does.

When we look at the actual functional total cost of our IT, the picture is very different. Support costs for our Macs is a fraction of that of Windows PCs, downtime for Macs is virtually non-existent in comparison to Windows systems, and software costs are much lower.

But in productivity terms, there's almost no apparent or measurable difference.

To us, the great downside in IT is Microsoft. Not Windows as such, because even 8.1 was perfectly adequate and operable, but the fact that MS have a habit of pushing patches urgently, which are sometimes very destructive to stability, and not unusually have to be re-issued. The result is that we need to use patch management to control and block what patches we do allow, when we allow them, and what we need to block. This is somewhat expensive in terms of the software, service, and the technical support, particularly if MS release and push a zero-day patch, or we get an 'all hands' condition where something like a buggy patch gets through and destabilizes everything. This isn't frequent (it was for a while) but it happens.

Our Macs are more popular with users - not just their designated users - but when we investigated the option to switch the entire fleet to Macs, the partners were advised by the business manager that the bank were baulking at a capital spend of almost twice the investment of the past, even though the total 5-year whole-life costing leveled the disparity, and actually tipped it marginally in favor of buying Macs. The bank, as they rightly pointed out themselves, were only funding the hardware, not the ongoing costs, which the business would be funding from operating revenues.

Personally, as I've said elsewhere, I'm a Windows and a Mac user, and find the practical differences in operability relatively minor. If I were looking purely at cost, I'd buy Windows PCs all day long, and in the business environment where the bank think in short-term investment/recovery terms I easily see the constraints - even the benefits of buying PCs given the heavier support load they typically need (thus IT jobs). I do however still prefer macOS and Macs, simply because they are far more readily suited to consistently 'boot and use'.

Anyway, that was specifically to address your question, because no, we're not stupid, just constrained by budgets and capital costs. The issues the OP raised are entirely valid in the context of her/his specific experience, and it makes no difference whether I agree with those thoughts or not.
 
Maybe but MacOS gives me a much better understanding of my open windows (esp Safari tabs thumbnails!) than my Windows 11 does.

Although nothing beats file management on Windows, MacOS is archaic in how you handle files
 
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But file management is HELL on MacOS, I’ll give you that.
Full ack. MacOs were much better without that weird Finder.
Then again window management is HELL on Windows.
?? What do you have to criticise on Windows' windows management?
Personally, I find it ways better than macOS.
And –pardon me to mention it again–: in times of 5K 32" screens, it's insane having to control an app placed at the right bottom of the desktop from a single menu that is located at the top-left.
That was great on old space constrained Macintoshs, but today it's just stupid.
 
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Although nothing beats file management on Windows, MacOS is archaic in how you handle files
File management in macOS would greatly benefit from stepping back 10 years in operable metaphors... at least.

I can see how some programming team think it's a natural extension of where it was in the past, but it is at best a programming solution not a user one. It is undoubtedly one of the areas where macOS has deteriorated in function over time.
 
Maybe but MacOS gives me a much better understanding of my open windows (esp Safari tabs thumbnails!) than my Windows 11 does.
When I hover the pointer on the respective app icon in the taskbar, I get live tiles of all open instances.
I am fully happy with this, you not?
 
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but the fact that MS have a habit of pushing patches urgently, which are sometimes very destructive to stability, and not unusually have to be re-issued. The result is that we need to use patch management to control and block what patches we do allow, when we allow them, and what we need to block.
One can easily pause updates for 4-5 weeks.
But agreed, I'd really prefer the Linux way: having a bleeding edge path and a conservative ESR one, where stability is given for a couple of years.
 
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And –pardon me to mention it again–: in times of 5K 32" screens, it's insane having to control an app placed at the right bottom of the desktop from a menu that is located at the top-left.
That was great on old space constrained Macintoshs, but today it's just stupid.
No, not so much stupid, just different.

Switching between Windows and macOS, I don't even notice this because on both it has always been that way. With mouse acceleration in macOS, it's not a big deal at all anyway. What tends to be the hardest bit for users moving to macOS from Windows however is that in some apps, hitting the 'close' button in macOS closes the app, and in some it just closes the window. It isn't hard to explain why the difference, and they then get it, but it's a stumbling block.
When I hover the pointer on the respective app icon in the taskbar, I get live tiles of all open instances.
I am fully happy with this, you not?
Absolutely this. Having macOS fill up a portion of the dock with minimized windows in open files and apps is bonkers. Having no way to do the simple hover-to-reveal open instances in the Windows Task Bar is something that should have been a feature of the dock for years.

Both of these issues are reflections of a curious reality between Microsoft/Windows and Apple/macOS... Apple have this set of functional metaphors which barely ever change, even when they should. Microsoft adapt and adjust when they get it wrong. If Apple's fixed posture is because they never get it wrong, they are badly mistaken.

One can easily pause updates for 4-5 weeks.
But agreed, I'd really prefer the Linux way: having a bleeding edge path and a conservative ESR one, where stability is given for a couple of years.
Pausing updates isn't an option in commercial environments where you may well have critical security patches held pending rather than installed. This is a genuine and continuing issue with Windows, because zero-day exploits are almost routine, so there's little option but urgently patch. It can be chaotic though, and forms a significant part of the 'back end' cost of using PCs in a corporate environment - that of required support.
 
The mouse is not the problem. My eyes are.
You get sick moving your focus from one side to the other of that gorgeous large screens.
Ah yes, I truly get that!! Mine too, though in my case, even tracking across a 27-inch screen was beginning to cause considerable neck-ache!
 
The first thing your mouse hits on clicking the Apple icon is “About this Mac” possibly the single most infrequently used function on a Mac, right above perhaps the single MOST frequently used “Recent”.

Why? “Because it’s always been like that”
 
The first thing your mouse hits on clicking the Apple icon is “About this Mac” possibly the single most infrequently used function on a Mac, right above perhaps the single MOST frequently used “Recent”.

Why? “Because it’s always been like that”
And do not even get me started on the micro sized colored circles in the upper left for window management. Make them effing BIGGER for crying out lout. This is 2024. Windows is SO MUCH BETTER about this. Nice big SQUARES! Horrible UI/UX on MacOS. They add many useless "features" but never fix the actual problems.
 
It's getting beyond tedious. Only things that will make Apple move on increasing the base model's RAM is;
  • A severe & prolonged downturn of sales in comparison to competing systems that's linked to RAM spec
  • User data indicating memory pressure is frequently maxed in basic usage
  • Significant user dissatisfaction directly brought to Apple's attention, coupled with supporting data (Apple)
  • Apple's reputation being tarnished repeatedly & uniformly by the tech-press
I generally purchase two classes of notebook 16"-17" & 12"-14" the former being a desktop replacement, the latter being highly portable with longest possible battery runtime. Frequently over the years I've opted for the base model Mac's as they are unbeatable off the mains and offer very solid performance.

Those Mac's and the current M1 MBP have never been a problem even with heavy workloads. Yes same as any computer they can slow if overloaded. Safe to say they did a lot more than just surf the web and check email's that's for sure as they were utilised in engineering roles...

Am I against Apple raising the base models RAM? no. I am against Apple's monopolistic pricing of RAM & storage as that's exactly what it is. I also dont like that users are not able to uninstall Apple's built in apps that they have no use for.

If you need to use a Mac and you need more than 8GB there are numerous options available. If it's part of your revenue stream you should be building that cost in, if not...

If the base models 8GB limit is such a big issue to you all out there, complain directly to Apple, send an email to Tim Cook, go to your local Apple store and ask to speak with the manager as even that is likely to be far more meaningful than posting over & over about it here...

Q-6
Apple knows. It just sad, since I feel there is no realworld need for an 8GB M3 compared to an M1 or M2, since before you probably need/notice the performance difference, you will be hitting the 8GB ceiling. At the moment, I am not recommending anyone in my circle to buy an Apple laptop, except when they can get their hands on refurbished (outside of Apple's store) 16/512 versions of M1-M3 MBPs or MBAs.
Notice how Apple never sends the 8GB/256GB MBA to reviewers. Always the 16GB, usually combined with the 512GB. Nowadays you can get a SSD of 2TB for 130 euros that will have equal or faster performance than a MBA SSD. But upgrading from 256 --> 512GB in a macbook air is 230 euros. It is getting beyond parody. Who knows what Apple is going to do next: after "downgrading" the 14" inch to 8GB, see if there are people willing to pony up for a 128GB MBA M4 at 1099 euros?
 
Although nothing beats file management on Windows, MacOS is archaic in how you handle files

Finder could use quite a modern overhaul -- I have to say though, on Win 11, I'm finding the file explore to be slower than it should be .. I've seen some folks saying to disable Quick Access - I might try that today.

It feels like it's hitting all my internal drives and network drives every time I open a window to do anything at all
 
"Recents" on macOS is a bad joke.
It just lists the "recents" of Apple's own apps. The others are ignored.
Couldn't be more useless...
Actually, no it doesn't. It's not a 'feature' I ever use since it's not in my workflow, but I just checked it on my MBA, and of the 10 it lists, three are non-Apple apps. It also lists recent documents and recent servers, both of which could actually be useful for more speedy access than my normal workflows.

I can't see any benefit to it being there though, except there's a historical connection to it in much earlier versions of System and MacOS software in the same place. Logically, I'd have thought it ought to be in the dock, as an option to turn off if not wanted.
 
Actually, no it doesn't. It's not a 'feature' I ever use since it's not in my workflow, but I just checked it on my MBA, and of the 10 it lists, three are non-Apple apps. It also lists recent documents and recent servers, both of which could actually be useful for more speedy access than my normal workflows.

I can't see any benefit to it being there though, except there's a historical connection to it in much earlier versions of System and MacOS software in the same place. Logically, I'd have thought it ought to be in the dock, as an option to turn off if not wanted.
I just cannot rely on it listing *every* document that I just saved. And if that works only 80%, it's useless.
Specially when you can't be sure *where* that file has just been saved that you need in another app.
Then the big search begins...
 
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Nice thing about Android is that security updates are separate from the OS. I was never without any security updates.
That must have changed since I last used an Android device then. It was previously completely up to the respective manufacturer to deploy the appropriate security updates. Usually that would only happen for a maximum of 2 years after the phone was released.
 
Want to bring back all the feels?

I started watching this last night ... and ended up watching the entire thing
(not sure how many times I've watched it over the years - several for sure)

This really brings it home on how much has changed and the feeling around the company that has been lost, in my view.

It's a tremendous way to spend 100 minutes.

You'll smile, laugh, remember...get nostalgic and wistful...These were some epic times
Man I miss it ... the excitement and energy of it all

 
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