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Bye, Bye for now Apple, it has been fun!
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That is not my point, my point is hardware be it phones, laptops, desktops, they should come naked, you pay for the OS you want for that device, on the understanding that if you select Win11 for say the Macbook Air, your performance might be less optimized than say selecting Mac OS.
The fact we can use tools to emulate say Win11 on a Mac, is proof enough there is demand for naked devices, devices the owner or corporate IT manage as a fleet, for example, you might find that certain members of a team, prefer the finder of Mac, over Explorer of Win, but both users use DA Resolve for video editing, or one prefers numbers over excel...
Users should have the choice of where they install numbers, on a dell or on a macbook air.. Regardless of hardware, like we have a choice of what brand "gas" to buy for our cars.. We are not limited to a certain brand because you drive a Chevy... Sell me on the additive not on the mandatory use of x brand petrol because I drive a Chevy..
The fact we can use tools to emulate say Win11 on a Mac, is proof enough there is demand for naked devices, devices the owner or corporate IT manage as a fleet, for example, you might find that certain members of a team, prefer the finder of Mac, over Explorer of Win, but both users use DA Resolve for video editing, or one prefers numbers over excel...
Users should have the choice of where they install numbers, on a dell or on a macbook air.. Regardless of hardware, like we have a choice of what brand "gas" to buy for our cars.. We are not limited to a certain brand because you drive a Chevy... Sell me on the additive not on the mandatory use of x brand petrol because I drive a Chevy..
If you really wish to push this analogy.
You can not use petrol in any car. Try that with a diesel engine. And with an electric car, you can't use petrol nor diesel fuel 🤣
So now Apple is like a Tesla. And if you don't like it, buy from another car manufacturer. Same goes for computer hardware
This is ridiculous
sidenote: a truly intuitive person would use an analogy that is useful. That can adapt to being questioned, and still show the analogy to be good. This was not such. It only proves the arguments against the original claims was right. This is an analogy that a sensation person would use. If you are familiar with Jung, and his four definitions of cognitive functions
edit : https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/petrol
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Electric cars use petrol, fossil fuels, so your argument is? Electric vehicles are extremely wasteful in terms of the energy they consume per mile, a lot more energy than is used by a gas car.. That is not the point, really you show just how little you actually know about the whole EV scam.
That's a stunning statement given what isn't even pseudo science in your statement. It does make it hard to take anything you've said seriously. Indeed, I and others have responded to your thoughts with cogent and coherent business, marketing, legal, practical and reasoned arguments and facts, and you simply keep repeating the same utter nonsense. It is really clear who is showing how little they actually know.
As to the 'EV scam'... you can and no doubt will believe anything you want - that doesn't make it true, of course. However, if you were interested in any way in understanding the subject, there's a series of 'EV myth' articles at https://www.theguardian.com/business/series/ev-mythbusters which make interesting reading. The one at https://www.theguardian.com/busines...rbon-emissions-than-petrol-or-diesel-vehicles talks about your claim about the EV scam, and adds some science and data.
It won't surprise you that it disproves your point quite markedly. Which means it won't surprise me at all that you likely won't bother reading it.
OMG "Fusion Drive". I instinctively knew to STAY FAR AWAY FROM THAT CRAP. Dumbest idea Apple ever had. Right up there with TouchBar
Come on now, the touch bar isn't that bad...the fusion drive on the other hand was a terrible idea.OMG "Fusion Drive". I instinctively knew to STAY FAR AWAY FROM THAT CRAP. Dumbest idea Apple ever had. Right up there with TouchBar
It was not a terrible idea. It was state of the art with HFS+.
The terrible decision was to stick to them with APFS.
You can split the FD into a tiny 128GB SSD only carrying macOS plus the apps, plus a a HDD formatted HFS+ carrying your user folder. That works really well and the macOS on the tiny SSD will not grow further.OMG "Fusion Drive". I instinctively knew to STAY FAR AWAY FROM THAT CRAP. Dumbest idea Apple ever had. Right up there with TouchBar
Apple could have done that, but then the Users would have kept their Intel iMacs longer.
Not that good for their bu$ine$$.
I loved the touchbar and used it often. But yeah, the fusion drive is best forgotten.
Intel Mac hardware is not obsolete
Apple no longer supporting hardware with new software updates does not make the hardware itself obsolete
I am going according to Apple's own wording. Maybe they use a different term but it is close.
Intel Mac hardware is obsolete because M series have completely replaced it going on 3 generations now going to be the fourth soon. When Apple went from Power PC to Intel they abandoned Power PC a lot faster but the result will be the same.
Again I say it is my opinion. Intel hardware is obsolete not just because it is Intel but the generation of Intel Processor. Who wants to use those old Intel processors in inadequate cooling?? It is obsolete because Apple has moved on.
You can use obsolete hardware all you want but it doesn't make it current tech or new???
Apple was selling the 27" iMac just 1.5 years ago and it's already obsolete? What a crappy thing to do. They're still supported for hardware and software, so you must have your own definition of 'obsolete' I suppose.
Just because Apple has changed away from x86 (which still isn't complete) doesn't mean x86 is obsolete either, considering the overwhelming majority of desktop/laptop/server market is still x86 and will continue to be for some time.
People here are not always using Apple's terminology for 'obsolete', but a more simplistic definition of 'they don't make it any more'. To Apple, 'obsolete' means they don't support it any longer, meaning offer service for it. This is however just a corporate definition which allows them to determine what parts and materials they have to carry and supply to their approved repair centers, and for users to know that once 'obsoleted' their repair needs would have to be met elsewhere.
So you are telling me Apple is not going to phase out MacOS support for Intel based Mac's and that process hasn't already started?
I feel like you are taking my words personally and I am not trying to offend you by saying that your hardware is obsolete. I don't mean it sucks or doesn't work and that it won't continue working well after Apple pulls official MacOS support or updates. I just mean that Intel is an architecture soon to be abandon by Apple. I have been on that roller coaster before and I won't ever get on that ride again. So it is a personal thing and my projection of what I feel Apple will do sooner rather than later if history has any bearing on the present?
Other people are tinkerers and love a challenge. Some like to keep a Mac or PC going for several years after official support has ended. Some people just prefer the older style, cpu, ability to dual boot when you could and more. I respect all of it and admire those people. I think what they do is a great thing. It is not me. But I think any interest in technology is good. Old. New, newest, not so old, oldest. It is all good.
Some of those Intel Macs were beautiful machines with a couple of issues but mostly were very nice. So I get why people like Intel Macs and agree with them, specially since you can get such a nice Intel Mac so cheap but if I had one which I did I would have and did sell it before m1 came out. That is just me.
Leaving Apple? Enjoy disabling the ads in Windows 11.
Oh, it's not any better on that side of the fence (I have both). But at least I can remove the bloat in Windows..
It is inevitable that Apple, like just about every manufacturer, 'obsoletes' former products over time. In consumer electronics, the time periods are commonly a handful of years after production of a model ceases. It doesn't stop individual users from owning and appreciating these items. Indeed, there's a healthy demand for things like valve (tube) radios, game consoles, pinball machines, and of course old computers, amongst a thousand or more other areas of interest.
In every case, the end of the product's production means little to the use and usability of the item, and in a lot of cases, ongoing support eventually falls from the manufacturer to smaller developers and specialist enthusiasts. It's how, for example, it is easy (and quite inexpensive) to replace the hard drive in an 80s/90s vintage Mac with a fast and efficient SD card and still use the system, or that it's possible to buy a brand new SD-card based storage drive for a 1983 laptop so that it can readily swap data with a modern computer. It never had such a thing while it was actually in production.
So of course Apple will phase out macOS support for Intel systems over time, and has already been doing exactly this for years. My 2006 first-ever Intel model MacBook Pro had macOS support ended probably about 10 years ago, but it still runs perfectly, does exactly what it is supposed to do, and thanks to third party developers, can still largely be used even on today's security-heavy internet. There are still a businesses making replacement parts such as key switches and key caps, hard drive replacements and RAM, and specialist repair shops who can fix it if it needs fixing. In computing terms, it's a valve radio, but it is still capable of use. And, incidentally, since the battery is still good, usable as a workhorse if I'm somewhere I need some computing power but no electricity to plug into.
The reality is that when Apple 'obsolete' a product it's nothing more than that they are saying they don't support it any longer. It doesn't mean no-one else does. It doesn't change the product either, or the use it can be to the user of it.
And, rather amazingly, it also doesn't prevent developers from producing new MacOS versions either. @turbineseaplane 's MBP is one of the classics - there's every reason to expect it will still be perfectly usable in another 10 years, regardless of where it is on Apple's product road map - or indeed, where ever Apple themselves are.
I would not confirm that. Developers must use current versions of X-Code else they won't pass the notarization. And that X-Code prevents execution on older versions of macOS.
Well, 'new' was perhaps the wrong word, but Sorbet Leopard is an efficient reworking of MacOS for example.
Oops: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-mac-unleashed-revision-1-5-released.2300924/ for a rather hyperbolic outline, including:
Overview
Sorbet Leopard can be thought of not only as something of an entirely new Mac OS X distribution, but also as an effective version 10.5 and 10.6 hybrid. This means that while the base system was built off of the rock-solid foundation of Mac OS X 10.5.8, as many parts and components as possible have also been transplanted from Mac OS X 10.6.8, in addition to custom updates, refinements, and performance optimizations having been bolted on. As a result, Sorbet Leopard boasts the following system refinements built right in:
o Improved startup times and application launch times
o Smoother graphical performance in most applications
o Faster network performance in all system operations
o PowerPC-optimized binaries
o Reduced disk activity
o Reduced CPU / RAM / disk usage
o Safari 11 with new security updates and performance improvements, QuickTime 7.7 Pro, Bash 4.3.30, and ntpd 4.2.8
In addition, Sorbet Leopard brings the following new features and enhancements to your Mac:
o A fully-featured live environment to boot into via FireWire or USB for performing administrative tasks separate from the startup disk
o A brand new PowerPC-focused app store showcasing the best-in-class applications for 10.5
o An accessible switch panel for quickly controlling various system functions and advanced settings on-the-fly without needing to manually resort to the command line
o Full support for the Apple Wireless Keyboard
o Full support for the Apple Magic Mouse + Momentum Scrolling
o Full support for Unicode 13.1 emoji characters*1
o 10.6.8 desktop pictures, user pictures, screen savers, Apple dictionary definitions, fonts, and apps
o 10.13.6 security certificates pre-installed
o Readily themeable to OS X Mountain Lion, macOS High Sierra, and iOS (4 through 12) system appearances right out of the box
o Universal ad blocking
I love using multiple platforms and I love MacOS mostly so of course I miss it. In all honesty though I have been enjoying going deep into Windows settings and tweaking everything under the sun. That is actually something I missed when I was using MacOS. There are appearance settings but they are no where near as comprehensive as Windows.
The other thing is Telemetry. People complain about Windows telemetry or adds but I can turn it all off. In MacOS I really have no idea what Telemetry is going back to Apple or 3rd parties and partners of Apple. Maybe there are terminal commands you can tweak these type of setting in MacOS but I just don't know.
Certain other things are just easier to in Windows for me. File explorer and other things I prefer in Windows.
That all being said the MacBook Air with the new designs M2/M3 I still really like a lot and the performance Apple can get out of a Laptop with no fans and the battery life is still super impressive to me and I miss that a lot on Windows.
But I remember the days of Power Pc vs Pentium 4 I think and it was clear Intel had a significant advantage at that point over PowerPC but Apple gave all these talking points why Power PC was better and the architectural differences in the chips but the bottom line was Windows PC's had faster chips and better performance and now that is reversed.
At least Intel has finally released an efficient and powerful chip in the Ultra 7 155h although I expect Lunar Lake next year to be a LOT more impressive.
Basically there is nothing I can't do with either platform or any software I can only use on one platform so I don't miss MacOS in the sense that my workflow hasn't changed much at all.
One thing I do miss is how updates, recovery are done on MacOS. No separate drivers to install. Apple supports their Macs longer in the sense you won't have 6 year old drivers on a Mac ever while a 7 year old pc might have very old drivers that never get updated by the OEM and that is actually a big issue for those who keep their devices a long time and where I feel Apple is better.
If I could I would have a Mac again and as soon as I can afford one I will do so. I was toying with the idea of a Mac Mini base model latest m chip as a more affordable option for me and one I will likely pursue in a year or so.