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Bye, Bye for now Apple, it has been fun!
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So, you where not complaining or being snarky about my post(s)? Glad to hear 🤣. I am going to leave it here... and leave you to it. As said, have a nice night. Peace.
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Another vouch for Win11DeBloat
Totally removed any nags or BS
Changes the experience so much for the better
These days it if turning into an anti apple forum.
Nope. No snark or complaints.
This pretty much sums up my position at the moment. I know Apple. I wouldn't say I like Apple, but I prefer their devices for my daily purposes.
I have never had that issue with Windows or hardware problems, though I build my own PCs.
Right now, though, and more often in the last few years, I have more software/hardware issues with Apple than Windows and PC.
Now, I know you will be itching to reply, "I don't have any issues with Apple" which is fine. But for every person who says I have no issues with Apple, I can find one who does. It's the same with Windows.
The most prolific game designer in the world worked for us and we bought him a giant army of Macs years ago.
Today, his house is filled with Dell and Windows.
He’s the 1 guy I never thought would switch from Apple to Windows.
Mind was blown to hear this and still is to this day.
Windows doesn’t suck.
Silly to say it does.
Today, his house is filled with Dell and Windows.
He’s the 1 guy I never thought would switch from Apple to Windows.
Mind was blown to hear this and still is to this day.
Windows doesn’t suck.
Silly to say it does.
This I can agree. I don’t need 64GB of RAM, 4TB of internal storage, etc, and such extravagant uncharges err costs do help most buyer’s rein in excessive/unnecessary spending. However, if not upping the base, I’d really like Apple to at least cut the margins on the first step up upgrade(s) to RAM/SSD. In other words, I’m okay paying premium (i.e., the “Apple tax”) but the component upgrade pricing does seem to be stretching margins each year.
I don’t think cross-platform is as clunky or as stifled as described. Sure, I can’t Airdrop between devices — although, to be bluntly fair, I’ve had plenty of instances when Airdrop hasn’t worked smoothly. Nonetheless, for me, SMB file sharing has been reliable and efficient. If I would need to share files with my Galaxy tablet, for example, Google Drive should be fine. As for other collaboration, there’s no lack of ’team’-centric tools available (e.g., Google, Dropbox, Zoom, Microsoft, Git) — many, if not all, with no-install Web apps.
On that topic at large, I have learned to appreciate Apple’s strictness in guidelines. For example, I purchased an older Galaxy Tab (before an iPad Pro) as the Tab had an 11-inch OLED display and quad speakers that seemingly would be a great media consumption device. Other Android gripes aside, allowing media apps (e.g., Netflix, Hulu) to do whatever they want had me wondering “What kind of inconsistent, unintuitive mess did I just walk into?” In other words, Apple forcing at least a fundamental UI/UX for media player implementation means you can typically quickly figure out the basic layout/controls no matter which app it is. With that said, I do feel the Samsung One UI keyboard layout/appearance is generally better than iOS/iPadOS.
These days, I find no meaningful or consistent differences on stability, bugs or "issues" between the platforms.
Any time I think one is better than the other, something of some kind pops up to remind me that it's basically the same between platforms now ... it's mainly just issues of different types or kinds here and there.
Please microsoft and adobe, release your apps for linux!! So I can say bye bye to Tim cook stuff...
Also, can people stop referring to it costing $200 "for a 16GB upgrade"? The base machines already come with 8GB. Apple is charging $200 to give you 8GB more, not 16GB more.
You’re very welcome. Let me also thank you for your response. By responding, you're underscoring a brilliant point through the very act of your reply. While it's not strictly necessary, it's happening, and it adds another layer to our conversation. Just as you pointed out that this subforum doesn't shield anyone from disagreement, our exchange illustrates that we're both choosing to engage, even when it's not required. It's a subtle but important distinction, and your response is a perfect example of that dynamic in action.
As long as people keep buying the 8/256 model, Apple will keep offering it.
Not enough people speak with their wallet to send the message to Tim and friends.
As for the ecosystem, I’m locked in and would likely regret cutting my losses jumping back to Windows.
My wife uses a PC for her work daily and hates it. She relishes jumping onto her MacBook and my iMac after hours.
Not enough people speak with their wallet to send the message to Tim and friends.
As for the ecosystem, I’m locked in and would likely regret cutting my losses jumping back to Windows.
My wife uses a PC for her work daily and hates it. She relishes jumping onto her MacBook and my iMac after hours.
Apple need to stop closing their systems off to the point where they become self limiting.
- Bootcamp should be rewritten for Windows ARM and Linux. That way we can use another OS when Apple decides to artificially end our MacOS updates.
- Memory and storage should be user upgradable. Failing that we need a major reduction in the extortionate prices we pay to upgrade at purchase.
- The latest EU ruling for Apple to allow different browser engines needs to become universal, because WebKit is awful. It should also apply to iPads.
There are many more but these are 3 that particularly annoy me.
- Bootcamp should be rewritten for Windows ARM and Linux. That way we can use another OS when Apple decides to artificially end our MacOS updates.
- Memory and storage should be user upgradable. Failing that we need a major reduction in the extortionate prices we pay to upgrade at purchase.
- The latest EU ruling for Apple to allow different browser engines needs to become universal, because WebKit is awful. It should also apply to iPads.
There are many more but these are 3 that particularly annoy me.
Can I just add that they should make it far easier to go back a version of MacOS, not intentionally make it difficult? especially when at least one bug makes it so difficult to use the current OS and won't be fixed any time soon.
Consumer technology should always work for you rather than making you work to use it. Your situation sounds perfectly reasonable even though I’m unable to relate to it myself.
(typing this on Monterey and color me .... in love)
I think I'm convinced that the best macOS (or Mac OS X, should I say..) versions are behind us, at least with the current "jam in more iOS stuff/look/feel" direction things are going.
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Enjoy having two payments services, two app stores, two web browsers, 3rd party pre-installed apps, poorer PC battery, slower CPUs, more viruses and spam
Say goodbye to your privacy, stores/Genius Bar for tech support
Say goodbye to your privacy, stores/Genius Bar for tech support
I hear you, though I have a bit of a different perspective.
My first Apple was a ][+ in 1981, and cost about $3000 for the whole system. That's $10000 in inflation adjusted dollars today. For that much money I could max out an iPhone, iPad, Watch and MBP. But then again, I don't need to max them out, because the performance and capability of the hardware has finally exceeded my needs. Best I can figure I'd be about $3000 to the good (though see below on that).
Does Apple charge 'loan shark' level prices for their storage and memory upgrades? Yep, no question. But the base machines themselves are cost competitive when you look at lifetime TCO - especially if you include the residual value you can sell it for when you're done with them - they aren't completely insane. Premium yes, but not insane.
Add in all of the time that I don't have to spend doing tech support for the family, buying separate security software, putting up with invasive data collection (which is why I will never use anything from Google), etc. and it's worth buying apple gear.
I don't mind the lock-in, because the ecosystem functionality adds huge value to me. I did stop buying content from Apple, but that's because they destroyed the TV/Movie store UX, more than anything else. And let me bring up security again...Apple, especially with lost device protection and advanced data protection is hands-down the one company I most trust with my information. By having all that inside a single ecosystem, they can secure it in a way that is simply impossible across multiple providers, and since their business model doesn't involve exploiting user data for 3rd party sale, they have a real incentive to use it as a competitive differentiator. Even if they're forced to open up Messages and the app store to 3rd parties, I hope they give us a way to block that at the family level - because I absolutely will.
Now there's one thing hardware-wise that Apple sucks beans at, and that's raw GPU power (and AI/gaming software to run on it). So I built myself a real windows PC with a 4090, for about $3000. That puts me right back at about the same investment I made in technology in 1981, with vastly more capability, and a setup that will last me at least 4 years (which that Apple ][+ didn't).
We all make different value calculations, and having viable competitors out there keeps everyone innovating. Good luck with your switch.
My first Apple was a ][+ in 1981, and cost about $3000 for the whole system. That's $10000 in inflation adjusted dollars today. For that much money I could max out an iPhone, iPad, Watch and MBP. But then again, I don't need to max them out, because the performance and capability of the hardware has finally exceeded my needs. Best I can figure I'd be about $3000 to the good (though see below on that).
Does Apple charge 'loan shark' level prices for their storage and memory upgrades? Yep, no question. But the base machines themselves are cost competitive when you look at lifetime TCO - especially if you include the residual value you can sell it for when you're done with them - they aren't completely insane. Premium yes, but not insane.
Add in all of the time that I don't have to spend doing tech support for the family, buying separate security software, putting up with invasive data collection (which is why I will never use anything from Google), etc. and it's worth buying apple gear.
I don't mind the lock-in, because the ecosystem functionality adds huge value to me. I did stop buying content from Apple, but that's because they destroyed the TV/Movie store UX, more than anything else. And let me bring up security again...Apple, especially with lost device protection and advanced data protection is hands-down the one company I most trust with my information. By having all that inside a single ecosystem, they can secure it in a way that is simply impossible across multiple providers, and since their business model doesn't involve exploiting user data for 3rd party sale, they have a real incentive to use it as a competitive differentiator. Even if they're forced to open up Messages and the app store to 3rd parties, I hope they give us a way to block that at the family level - because I absolutely will.
Now there's one thing hardware-wise that Apple sucks beans at, and that's raw GPU power (and AI/gaming software to run on it). So I built myself a real windows PC with a 4090, for about $3000. That puts me right back at about the same investment I made in technology in 1981, with vastly more capability, and a setup that will last me at least 4 years (which that Apple ][+ didn't).
We all make different value calculations, and having viable competitors out there keeps everyone innovating. Good luck with your switch.
I had no idea about that! I have an HP, but no printer. I discovered a while ago that I just don't need one very often and the ink dries up in between.
When I need to print things I use an app and do it at the nearest convenience store. It's much easier and saves the space and hassle of having another item I rarely use. The printer that I gave away some years ago was really noisy too.
Picking and choosing the bits you need from the various 'gardens' and adapting them for your situation seems to be a good workaround (at least for me).
unless your set on laptops a windows desktop in which you buy your own parts and build is the best way to go. you can easily get the latest upgrades by simply upgrading your motherboard.
as far as laptops I like Lenovo. they offer the most in upgrading internal parts yourself as well as easier to repair and seek parts. Samsung laptops not so much.
as far as laptops I like Lenovo. they offer the most in upgrading internal parts yourself as well as easier to repair and seek parts. Samsung laptops not so much.
I've never really understood the obsession with the 'ecosystem' and therefore don't really see the need to go all in on either Apple, or Windows/Android. I had a Mac and iPhone for a while but for the past few years have had mac and Android, and I won't be going back to iPhone. Virtually everything the Apple ecosystem provides has alternatives that are just as simple. I can use Google Messages through any browser on my mac, I can send files using apps like Local Send, I use Chrome on both Mac and Android so share history, bookmarks, tabs etc through that. I use Google Keep for notes. The only thing I miss is Universal Clipboard, but the many benefits of Android massively outweigh the lack of that one feature.
I know not of this "lock in" everyone is speaking of.
When you buy multiple items from brand X you assume that they will work together better than say one main component from brand X and one from brand Y. They may work together a little but I don't think anyone should expect they will work together flawlessly, especially when brand X protects ones personal data and brand Y hoovers it up and whores it out to anyone who will pay. As an example Ford parts will, within reason, work well in Ford's whereas a Chevy drive train MIGHT be able to fit into a Ford but it will take a lot of work.
On to media, things like books, music or TV/Movies. If you are dumb enough to buy these from any single entity and then lament when you can't move them that is your own fault. I am really deep in the Apple ecosystem and I own all of 6 movies from iTunes, no music, 2 books and it was only because they were so cheap I don't care if I lose them because I choose to move to brand Y. For music and TV/Movies, buy physical media and burn it to which ever platform you are using at any given time. With books, we are all screwed unless you choose to read from printed media. I do recognize that moving forward TV/Movies may not be available in physical media so at that time choices will need to be made. I don't really blame the tech companies for this and offer this example: Prior to iOS/Android I owned a ton of books, exactly zero publishers were willing to give me a "digital" license for a work I already purchased, so why should we expect that media we purchase from brand X should be able to move to brand Y? That is why you purchase physical media. This also protects you from titles that disappear from store X or Y because of licensing.
Now, if governments want to get involved in something that would truly benefit consumers, instead of ports and stores, they should require media to be purchased directly from the copyright holders and register the purchase so that can be transferred between brands X, Y or Z or ideally used in combination. As an example: if I buy AC/DC's Back in Black, I should buy it from the copyright holder for $X.XX, the license would then be able to be accessed by any device I own, even in a mixed ecosystem. If copyright holders change then the new owners must acknowledge past purchases. Seems like something a block chain could handle though that is not my area of expertise.
When you buy multiple items from brand X you assume that they will work together better than say one main component from brand X and one from brand Y. They may work together a little but I don't think anyone should expect they will work together flawlessly, especially when brand X protects ones personal data and brand Y hoovers it up and whores it out to anyone who will pay. As an example Ford parts will, within reason, work well in Ford's whereas a Chevy drive train MIGHT be able to fit into a Ford but it will take a lot of work.
On to media, things like books, music or TV/Movies. If you are dumb enough to buy these from any single entity and then lament when you can't move them that is your own fault. I am really deep in the Apple ecosystem and I own all of 6 movies from iTunes, no music, 2 books and it was only because they were so cheap I don't care if I lose them because I choose to move to brand Y. For music and TV/Movies, buy physical media and burn it to which ever platform you are using at any given time. With books, we are all screwed unless you choose to read from printed media. I do recognize that moving forward TV/Movies may not be available in physical media so at that time choices will need to be made. I don't really blame the tech companies for this and offer this example: Prior to iOS/Android I owned a ton of books, exactly zero publishers were willing to give me a "digital" license for a work I already purchased, so why should we expect that media we purchase from brand X should be able to move to brand Y? That is why you purchase physical media. This also protects you from titles that disappear from store X or Y because of licensing.
Now, if governments want to get involved in something that would truly benefit consumers, instead of ports and stores, they should require media to be purchased directly from the copyright holders and register the purchase so that can be transferred between brands X, Y or Z or ideally used in combination. As an example: if I buy AC/DC's Back in Black, I should buy it from the copyright holder for $X.XX, the license would then be able to be accessed by any device I own, even in a mixed ecosystem. If copyright holders change then the new owners must acknowledge past purchases. Seems like something a block chain could handle though that is not my area of expertise.
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