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I didn't know how to breach this subject because I am not writing this based on one OS or hardware's superiority. I like Mac's. They are beautiful, functional and powerful. They are a rip off to a certain extent, I hate Apple's business practices and manufacturing. I hate a lot of things within the various OS that Apple develops. But I love a lot of it too. Not the first sentence but the second, The OS is pretty sweet, and the various devices all have great software and hardware. Apple is pretty much King in terms of the "Best". The best security, the best design, the best cpu/gpu in mobile, and so much more. So I am no hater of Apple. But over time things have gotten to a point where I either hobble along and deal with it or I vote with my dollars to hopefully start to make a change.

I am one person so I am meaningless to Apple but if enough people in a similar situation as I am do what I do then it will start to hurt Apple's bottom line and then they might pay attention and start to change.

I am talking about the ladder and lock in. Two things I hate most about Apple right now. There equipment in some cases is objectively better but not in all areas. The ladder is the technique of upselling the customer by holding back certain features that are not costly but hamper user experience in such a way a user wants to go up the ladder to the better model, then they will want better than base specs. Everything pushes you up the ladder and gets progressively more expensive. Ram/SSD upgrades anyone? Pro motion only on a pro device although pro motion would enhance the overall experience of all users and is not a pro level feature in other brand devices. This pushes many consumers to buy an iPad Pro over an iPad Air when they really only need an air for their use case.

Lock in we all know the Apple ecosystem is great. Say you have an iPhone a Mac and an iPad. They all work great together and you can share files, make calls and texts from any device. Say you get an Android phone and keep the rest. Now your entire ecosystem is broken and no longer can you do any of the things you could with your iPhone. Even though you bought the Mac and iPad and should have the same functionality no matter the phone or computer you use but Apple locks you in and gimps your experience on purpose so you don't buy anything other than Apple products. Apple could easily offer some basic compatibility and basic feature sharing but they don't. They could still offer more features for Apple products but give all basic compatibility and save special features for Apple to encourage people to buy Apple rather than just have it wreck their experience.

So it is been a long time coming but I have decided to let go of my Mac and iPad and just go Windows and Android for a while. I don't know if I will go back to Apple because until they change I would be forced to go all in or nothing. I don't want to buy something and have half the features work because of free choice. The convenience for lock in is a bargain I am no longer willing to make and I shouldn't. Apple should want their products to work well with other products just from a business use perspective.

I know a lot of people don't care about this issue or even like it and it makes them feel exclusive or special in a special group or club. But I want to use multiple different devices together and not have to have separate ecosystems. So I will stay on Windows/Linux/Android side of things. I may be back because I still like Apple. Then I could talk cost. I can't afford to keep two separate platforms, it has become too expensive in this economy for me. I can get so much more ram and ssd and better hardware with a couple of exceptions for a lot less than Apple. Sure a 16" MBP with M3 Pro is a better laptop than my 16" Samsung GalaxyBook 4 Pro 360 in some ways but it costs a lot more and is a lot heavier and the Ultra is available if I needed graphic horsepower and it is still cheaper than equivalent MBP. Obviously Intel has not caught up with m series yet. Although Meteor lake is a huge step in the right direction it is NOT YET equivalent to M3 in all areas. But the difference in terms of performance and battery life are so much better than before that Intel is now in m series ballpark. Intel has to get to 4nm probably before they will be competitive directly but by then who knows how advanced Apple m series will be. But in my opinion it is not about having the absolute best but good enough. Specially if I am saving over $1000. I personally think Intel is finally good enough. Room for a lot of improvement-yes. But good enough I can go a whole day without worrying about charging and I can get the same performance on battery as plugged in if I adjust settings and battery life is still good enough. Maybe I get 6-8 hours slamming the machine on battery vs 10-12 if I am not. I can deal with those numbers. What sucked before was 3-6 hours average battery life with 1-2 on heavy use and a big difference throttled on battery no matter the settings. That is a huge improvement.

So I have settled on two devices since I have to have a back up device no matter what platform and I like a 14" and 16" for different taks. I was going to get a 14" chromebook but they suck so much in terms of getting a nice chromebook that doesn't cost $1000. So in order to get a fast and responsive Chromebook with a decent ssd, ram, and processor, decent bright screen and speakers in something other than plastic you are looking at $1000 and the specs still aren't as good as a comparable priced Windows laptop. So I ditched that idea and decided on two Windows laptops, one Android tablet, an Android phone, an android watch and some ear buds. They all work flawlessly together and have more features than are available in an Mac.

So my two laptops have OLED 120hz touchscreens with AR coating and variable refresh rate and a hardened glass. You can't get anything like it on any Mac no matter how much you spend. I have a pencil or stylus with every major device I own. S pen on phone, tablet and PC. Not available on Mac or iPhone. Then there are new AI features like a circle to search feature in Windows!!

I will sell all my Apple stuff and end up paying a little out of pocket but I will be happy with everything I own. Samsung and HP give generous specs for the cost compared to Apple. I have a 2tb drive on the HP and 1tb drive on Samsung and Samsung gave me a free 2tb portable ssd. If I were to try to get just a 2tb drive it would cost a lot.

Apple products are really great but both Android and Windows OEM's have drastically improved on their top end devices the design, quality and materials to get close or even surpass Apple.

If I were to go all in on Apple with only one laptop, one iPad, one watch and ear buds it would cost me at least double and I would half the specs in order to do it with lesser hardware in some areas. M3 would be faster in some ways but not all. M3 Pro or better is faster and better in battery life but at the price point of pro m3 and decent specs cost gets prohibitive specially in the 16" which I would want but it is such a heavy beast. It is close to 5 pounds while my 16" GB4 is only 3.5 pounds. Big difference. And the GB4 still feels solid and has an objectively better screen for everything but brightness.

So while I will miss Apple and I have no hard feelings I am pretty confident with my choice. I have been using computers since before Apple 2 and Windows 95. I remember DOS and green and amber CRT screens. So I am very comfortable in any computing environment from flashy GUI to Text prompts. Apple and Unix have always been more complex for me to use because there are more steps for me to take toa accomplish the same task in Windows. Linux is very similar to Unix but some interfaces can look a lot like Windows. And I really like the ability to use Linux if I want to on my laptop.

I may visit a Chromebook again when they get some more compelling devices. I really like ChromeOS and being able to use a full Linux install within ChromeOS is very cool. The hardware just needs to catch up. I am not paying $600 for a laptop with EMMC storage or a celeron processor. I can't stand 250nits 45%ntsc screens!! Like put an ultra 7 155h 16gb ddr5x ram, 120hz Oled touch screen, minimum 256gb nvme pci4 ssd. all in a nice aluminum build. Priced at say $799. It would be the perfect Chromebook but now we got crap.

So Windows and Android for now....

the only reason I buy Apple now is that I cannot code on a Windows device, specifically a non Linux based shell. Too complicated. Windows devices here too are catching up rapidly but not quite there.
I buy buds that work with any device, same will be for any watch. Phone - if the camera matters, I do not see much difference between prices of high end Samsungs and Apple.
Have not had an ipad for 5 years now- no point.
But I get where you are coming from.
 
That's one manufacturers specific product. With Windows there are options from bargain basement to high end. Apple build quality is certainly better than most manufacturers, but there are some very high quality machines out there. Personally I think the quality of Microsoft hardware is very good.
Uou are correct but the galaxy book, in my research was the closest thing to a macbook on the windows side at the time. I looked at surface but the computers they offered at that time had huge screen borders and the design felt obsolet.
 
Wasn't that long ago the OP was the guardian of the MacBook Air. You couldn't say a bad word about it without getting jumped on by them lol

Been in the alternatives forum too much.
Wait till something goes wrong with one their Samsung products, service = 0
I was the guardian of the air because a bunch of Apple fanboys had to explain to me on the MacBook Air sub forum why their MacBook Pro was so much better and a better value. I do not back down to intimidation tactics and some people take it the wrong way when you don't back down the moment they take offense.

But sure I will be back to Apple as I said I would if you read the post. Lol
 
That's fine. Everyone has his own preferences. I prefer to stay with Macs, iPads and iPhones though even I have work issued Windows laptop 16/512, Microsoft Surface Duo foldable phone and can buy a plethora of cheap Android watches (some of them are great value!). Apple ecosystem is expensive and sometimes value is not there so I understand the OP. Apple products cost more and sometimes can be faulty or broken, but I had my share of Android problems with Duo and MS problems with Windows PCs, so Apple for me is most effective and time saving solution. And my time is money. I also have to manage devices of my kids and wife, and they are Macs because I don't want to spend my time dealing with Windows or Android.
 
Pay more (pixel book) and you can get (i7 Intel) 16gb ram and 512gb nvme ssd storage.
Pixel book is ancient. I wish they would release a new one with updated specs. What version is that i7? 8th gen?

I want something under $1000 with all aluminum build, premium screen, good speakers for the love of GOD why do all chromebooks sound like I am using a phone speaker from the 90s? I know there are some better models but all to often speakers are an issue. I had a ThinkPad ChromeBook c13 and it was a really nice high end model but the speakers were trash, the screen was too dim, and the 3rd gen ryzen was slow with 16gb ram!! If Lenovo put a new ryzen 7 7th gen c processor and a brighter screen with everything else the same I would buy it if the price was right.

I tried an Asus chromebook plus and Acer 514 chromebook plus and the screens and speakers are just not good. color gamut is bad, brightness is bad, sound is okay at best, processor is okay.

So I will wait and see. Maybe some arm based chromebooks come out in a few months I may try again.

The PixelBooks were great for the time although expensive.
 
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I agree with most of what you say but I could never, ever go back to windows. Despite the OS, I utterly despise Microsoft as a company and my pride could not let me ever spend with them again. Linux is great though and funnily enough, we as a family were talking about this yesterday. For what we do (Videography Business), we could all easily move to Linux on some decent laptop/desktop hardware as Davinci Resolve for example works on Linux. If we do make the jump then I will just build a beast pc and the rest can all have laptops. Apple makes great products but they purposely gimp products to make you spend more. Starting with 8gb ram in 2024 is just ridiculous. Their prices for storage/ram upgrades are just ridiculous. Their support isn’t what it used to be either. My daughter started getting spam messages on her iPad (I bought it brand new and used it for a while before giving it to her) and I deleted her account and forgot to take find my off. I called Apple to explain and they said “no receipt, nothing we can do”. I explained that I had searched high and low for my receipt but couldn’t find it but I sent them pictures of the iPad, the original box etc and said that they must be able to see that the original account out on it was mine (same account I have now). They didn’t care. Only when I said “no problem, I’ll just go pay £39 for someone who can turn iCloud lock off and then send the video to the press so everybody can be aware that if you buy something legit and lose your receipt, Apple won’t help you but Sadik at the local market can instantly”. He just huffed, muttered something and just replied “right the lock is now off”.

Spent probably 35k with Apple over this last 5/6yrs but it means nothing. Companies don’t care, Tim Cook is just a bean counter and sees customers as a digit.
 
The iOS/macOS ecosystem still suits my needs best, even though I'm wary about the direction Apple is taking lately. I'm especially unhappy that more and more useful functionality is moving to, or relying on iCloud. I'm also not happy about the trend to make everything a subscription.

My advice is therefore to organize your digital life as independently of any single vendor as possible. Don't use proprietary file formats. Avoid opaque cloud data silos. When feasible choose apps that are available cross-platform. If that's your thing, use self-hosted web-services. This way, if the need one day arises, it will be much easier to jump ship and move to another ecosystem.

I could move to Linux or Windows any day. The only thing that would cause me some headaches is my Photos library. Exporting my photos and videos to another photo-management solution would be a lot of work and I also have not found a suitable software solution for that yet. But I'm working on it :)
 
I didn't know how to breach this subject because I am not writing this based on one OS or hardware's superiority. I like Mac's. They are beautiful, functional and powerful. They are a rip off to a certain extent, I hate Apple's business practices and manufacturing. I hate a lot of things within the various OS that Apple develops. But I love a lot of it too. Not the first sentence but the second, The OS is pretty sweet, and the various devices all have great software and hardware. Apple is pretty much King in terms of the "Best". The best security, the best design, the best cpu/gpu in mobile, and so much more. So I am no hater of Apple. But over time things have gotten to a point where I either hobble along and deal with it or I vote with my dollars to hopefully start to make a change.

I am one person so I am meaningless to Apple but if enough people in a similar situation as I am do what I do then it will start to hurt Apple's bottom line and then they might pay attention and start to change.

I am talking about the ladder and lock in. Two things I hate most about Apple right now. There equipment in some cases is objectively better but not in all areas. The ladder is the technique of upselling the customer by holding back certain features that are not costly but hamper user experience in such a way a user wants to go up the ladder to the better model, then they will want better than base specs. Everything pushes you up the ladder and gets progressively more expensive. Ram/SSD upgrades anyone? Pro motion only on a pro device although pro motion would enhance the overall experience of all users and is not a pro level feature in other brand devices. This pushes many consumers to buy an iPad Pro over an iPad Air when they really only need an air for their use case.

Lock in we all know the Apple ecosystem is great. Say you have an iPhone a Mac and an iPad. They all work great together and you can share files, make calls and texts from any device. Say you get an Android phone and keep the rest. Now your entire ecosystem is broken and no longer can you do any of the things you could with your iPhone. Even though you bought the Mac and iPad and should have the same functionality no matter the phone or computer you use but Apple locks you in and gimps your experience on purpose so you don't buy anything other than Apple products. Apple could easily offer some basic compatibility and basic feature sharing but they don't. They could still offer more features for Apple products but give all basic compatibility and save special features for Apple to encourage people to buy Apple rather than just have it wreck their experience.

So it is been a long time coming but I have decided to let go of my Mac and iPad and just go Windows and Android for a while. I don't know if I will go back to Apple because until they change I would be forced to go all in or nothing. I don't want to buy something and have half the features work because of free choice. The convenience for lock in is a bargain I am no longer willing to make and I shouldn't. Apple should want their products to work well with other products just from a business use perspective.

I know a lot of people don't care about this issue or even like it and it makes them feel exclusive or special in a special group or club. But I want to use multiple different devices together and not have to have separate ecosystems. So I will stay on Windows/Linux/Android side of things. I may be back because I still like Apple. Then I could talk cost. I can't afford to keep two separate platforms, it has become too expensive in this economy for me. I can get so much more ram and ssd and better hardware with a couple of exceptions for a lot less than Apple. Sure a 16" MBP with M3 Pro is a better laptop than my 16" Samsung GalaxyBook 4 Pro 360 in some ways but it costs a lot more and is a lot heavier and the Ultra is available if I needed graphic horsepower and it is still cheaper than equivalent MBP. Obviously Intel has not caught up with m series yet. Although Meteor lake is a huge step in the right direction it is NOT YET equivalent to M3 in all areas. But the difference in terms of performance and battery life are so much better than before that Intel is now in m series ballpark. Intel has to get to 4nm probably before they will be competitive directly but by then who knows how advanced Apple m series will be. But in my opinion it is not about having the absolute best but good enough. Specially if I am saving over $1000. I personally think Intel is finally good enough. Room for a lot of improvement-yes. But good enough I can go a whole day without worrying about charging and I can get the same performance on battery as plugged in if I adjust settings and battery life is still good enough. Maybe I get 6-8 hours slamming the machine on battery vs 10-12 if I am not. I can deal with those numbers. What sucked before was 3-6 hours average battery life with 1-2 on heavy use and a big difference throttled on battery no matter the settings. That is a huge improvement.

So I have settled on two devices since I have to have a back up device no matter what platform and I like a 14" and 16" for different taks. I was going to get a 14" chromebook but they suck so much in terms of getting a nice chromebook that doesn't cost $1000. So in order to get a fast and responsive Chromebook with a decent ssd, ram, and processor, decent bright screen and speakers in something other than plastic you are looking at $1000 and the specs still aren't as good as a comparable priced Windows laptop. So I ditched that idea and decided on two Windows laptops, one Android tablet, an Android phone, an android watch and some ear buds. They all work flawlessly together and have more features than are available in an Mac.

So my two laptops have OLED 120hz touchscreens with AR coating and variable refresh rate and a hardened glass. You can't get anything like it on any Mac no matter how much you spend. I have a pencil or stylus with every major device I own. S pen on phone, tablet and PC. Not available on Mac or iPhone. Then there are new AI features like a circle to search feature in Windows!!

I will sell all my Apple stuff and end up paying a little out of pocket but I will be happy with everything I own. Samsung and HP give generous specs for the cost compared to Apple. I have a 2tb drive on the HP and 1tb drive on Samsung and Samsung gave me a free 2tb portable ssd. If I were to try to get just a 2tb drive it would cost a lot.

Apple products are really great but both Android and Windows OEM's have drastically improved on their top end devices the design, quality and materials to get close or even surpass Apple.

If I were to go all in on Apple with only one laptop, one iPad, one watch and ear buds it would cost me at least double and I would half the specs in order to do it with lesser hardware in some areas. M3 would be faster in some ways but not all. M3 Pro or better is faster and better in battery life but at the price point of pro m3 and decent specs cost gets prohibitive specially in the 16" which I would want but it is such a heavy beast. It is close to 5 pounds while my 16" GB4 is only 3.5 pounds. Big difference. And the GB4 still feels solid and has an objectively better screen for everything but brightness.

So while I will miss Apple and I have no hard feelings I am pretty confident with my choice. I have been using computers since before Apple 2 and Windows 95. I remember DOS and green and amber CRT screens. So I am very comfortable in any computing environment from flashy GUI to Text prompts. Apple and Unix have always been more complex for me to use because there are more steps for me to take toa accomplish the same task in Windows. Linux is very similar to Unix but some interfaces can look a lot like Windows. And I really like the ability to use Linux if I want to on my laptop.

I may visit a Chromebook again when they get some more compelling devices. I really like ChromeOS and being able to use a full Linux install within ChromeOS is very cool. The hardware just needs to catch up. I am not paying $600 for a laptop with EMMC storage or a celeron processor. I can't stand 250nits 45%ntsc screens!! Like put an ultra 7 155h 16gb ddr5x ram, 120hz Oled touch screen, minimum 256gb nvme pci4 ssd. all in a nice aluminum build. Priced at say $799. It would be the perfect Chromebook but now we got crap.

So Windows and Android for now....
There are a number of things Apple does which are not in customers' interests and betray the California mindset however I see colleagues struggling with Windows and Android problems with updates stalling, drivers not working properly and virus ridden downloads that I would never go back. The kicker for me is support and the fact you can go into any US Apple Store and get help and advice (Not so much in the UK where the folks in the few stores are not interested).
 
you may disagree with the OP's choice of leaving the ecosystem but what is your opinion of what he wrote about, about upselling and locking people in?

You didn't ask me, but I'll answer. I agree, the OP wrote a LOT but it boils down to, 'I'm going cheaper.' Fair enough. And people like to get upset about the upsell like it's something created by Apple, but have you bought a car? or anything else with yearly new products with options? Apple is a for profit company that grows by bringing out new products. They invest a lot into research, research costs a lot of money with no profit. People want to buy cheap today and not fund tomorrow. That's not a formula for growth, it's a fire sale. My mother taught me , Quality costs. I dont expect something for next to nothing. When I walk into a car dealer, I dont ask them to show me their cheapest model and then moan about upgrades. I ask to see the top of the line for that particular model then decide what features I DON'T need... and then evaluate the model with options that have value to me. And thats exactly what I do with Apple's products. I dont say I won't buy what I want, typically 16 gb RAM and 1 TB storage because it costs much more than a base model. I say I can afford that and buy it. I know I am funding Apple's research.

I am not locked in. That implies no choice. I have the same choice as the OP, to go cheap. But cheap is often short sighted. Cheap often means it doesn't last as long, or you have to put in more work (hello Ikea), or in some cases, like windows all of the above and derriere ugly. No thanks. In a website where people get upset about fingerprints, I am not being shallow to point out windows is ugly and that matters to me.

Nor do I expect Apple to make life easier for me if I use an android phone by bringing it in to the 'garden.' Bottom line is Apple succeeds in tight hardware and software integration because they can control the variables. In MR there are a lot of armchair engineers that wave their hands at what should be 'easy', but if it was so easy to integrate PC's, Android Phones, and Android tablets, why isn't Android and microsoft doing it already themselves? answer is, too many variables. I know those companies have made some attempts, but it's not just the same. So I dont expect Apple to do what those companies cannot. We aren't just talking about green or blue chat bubbles here.

I am not uninformed, actually for work I am given 2 or 3 start of the art PCs per year to analyze. Sure look at those specs, look at those prices, but they just don't work as well. balance is everything. Recently though a 16 inch laptop crossed my desk that was interesting, all aluminum body, oled display, decent intel processor, and I admit, I loved that display, after tweaking it to a realistic color palette. It was a MacBook Pro want to be. With soldered on ram (16gb). Not upgradable. and an apple like price of $2000. But those fans are damn noisy all the time for even the simplest of tasks. battery life sucks. and then there is windows. That OLED screen is nice, and tempting, but not worth the pain of the rest of it. Not for me.

So yes. Quality costs. Apple is a for profit company that survives through rapid growth and evolving products. Research has to be funded. I buy what I need and don't look back. I just don't go cheap. Costs too much in the long run and the journey is no where near as fun. Life is too short to struggle with the PC world for me.
 
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A ton of us really longtime Apple users resonate with the OP
Yeah, as a long time user (since 1996), I don't resonate with the OP. The only Windows that really posed a challenge to macOS for me was Windows XP Pro. Windows 10/11 Pro have been meh at best. The constant updates are irritating too. If I were to stop using Apple products, I'll go to Ubuntu or a Linux distro, Microsoft isn't going to platform lock me with their "Windows as a service" junk when they start charging yearly fees for it. Office365 is one thing, but yearly for Windows? Nah, I'm good Microsoft.
 
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To the OP: hey, it's your choice. Go and explore, but have fun and enjoy it? Apple doesn't read any of the comments here. When Apple switched to Intel, I ditched them for a year or two with Intel 4 build running XP Pro, it was okay, but I still wound up holding onto my PowerBook G4 until I upgraded to a MacBook (2008). I got over it, even I still think PowerPC will always kick Intel's ass ;). Your a price conscious tech user, so you'll enjoy your options in Windows and Android, but remember in that world you get what you pay for. I'd alway recommend a minimum spend of $1000 for a decent Windows laptop, Android handsets and tablets have flexibity if you stay away from what Verizon and AT&T try to shove down your throat. OneDrive will be your best iCloud alternative, Google's service isn't up to snuff, so an Office365 subscription is pretty decent yearly deal with 1TB of storage. Problem is, your photos do count (and the same with Google), so that's an advantage for those who enjoy taking pictures goes to Apple. I'd recommend Plex if you have your own music library, you'll have to leave your PC on all the time to access it. Google did away with their Apple Music in the Cloud type service years ago. You can use Apple Music on Windows, but I haven't played with it yet and it seems there's a lot of work to be done. Anyway, enjoy your new stuff and adios!

For me: I'll upgrade to an M4 based Mac. I'll build it out with 16GB and 1TB of storage. Will I pay a premium? Yes, but I plan on using the next Mac for at least 6-7 years. All my files that count are tied up in their services, so Andorid is a nogo for me. I have Plex as a music library backup on my Unraid server. Plus, as a way to have my own digital video files of all my DVDs/BRs I own, if something disappears from iTunes Movies/TV, then I'll be fine. My i7 mini with 32GB of RAM has been fine for what I'm doing, but it's showing its age. I have an HP Elite Pro i7 that runs rings around still with Windows 10 Pro, but it's still Intel, which I've never cared for. For my PC builds, I'm strictly AMD, best power efficientcy and muscle for the price and it doesn't kill the power draw. My Ryzen 7 5800X is a beast, but I strictly play games on it. My Mac mini does all the productivity: audio conversion, video conversion, photo work and light graphics. I don't view Windows as a productivity driver, it's great for spreadsheets, presentations, documents, but I use my Mac for it and I enjoy it. My preference, we all have our own.
 
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Yeah, as a long time user (since 1996), I don't resonate with the OP. The only Windows that really posed a challenge to macOS for me was Windows XP Pro. Windows 10/11 Pro have been meh at best. The constant updates are irritating too. If I were to stop using Apple products, I'll go to Ubuntu or a Linux distro, Microsoft isn't going to platform lock me with their "Windows as a service" junk when they start charging yearly fees for it. Office365 is one thing, but yearly for Windows? Nah, I'm good Microsoft.

Here here. Long time user since the original 128 k Mac (1984), back when there was no windoze and the intel crowd was still saying command line interface was king. cool. I actually own a variety of PC's, all in ones, laptops, as a function of my work, and hate them. You can be working on something and windows decides to update and thats that. You are locked out until it wants to let you back in. wth. and edge just seems to be a way to serve up commercials to me. no thanks.

so yeah, I dont resonate with the OP either. But then again, I don't think the OP resonates with the OP, all those works strikes me as rationalization and he is trying to convince himself more than us.
 
Just to update a lot of people on here Modern Windows 11 is not prone to random reboots, crashes, driver issues, etc. Any large update will require a reboot on a Mac or PC so this is a bit of exaggeration as well. In terms of drivers Windows now has a security feature to check driver signatures before install no matter the brand. Windows is extremely stable and fast and it is a lot more secure than people seem to understand.
Indeed, windows is not that bad anymore. It’s hard to fall in love with it, though.

There are a couple of things missing (like quick look, even though there’s a free app that does the same), but all in all works pretty well.

Best of lucks with the change and let us know how it went!
 
I didn't know how to breach this subject because I am not writing this based on one OS or hardware's superiority. I like Mac's. They are beautiful, functional and powerful. They are a rip off to a certain extent, I hate Apple's business practices and manufacturing. I hate a lot of things within the various OS that Apple develops. But I love a lot of it too. Not the first sentence but the second, The OS is pretty sweet, and the various devices all have great software and hardware. Apple is pretty much King in terms of the "Best". The best security, the best design, the best cpu/gpu in mobile, and so much more. So I am no hater of Apple. But over time things have gotten to a point where I either hobble along and deal with it or I vote with my dollars to hopefully start to make a change.

I am one person so I am meaningless to Apple but if enough people in a similar situation as I am do what I do then it will start to hurt Apple's bottom line and then they might pay attention and start to change.

I am talking about the ladder and lock in. Two things I hate most about Apple right now. There equipment in some cases is objectively better but not in all areas. The ladder is the technique of upselling the customer by holding back certain features that are not costly but hamper user experience in such a way a user wants to go up the ladder to the better model, then they will want better than base specs. Everything pushes you up the ladder and gets progressively more expensive. Ram/SSD upgrades anyone? Pro motion only on a pro device although pro motion would enhance the overall experience of all users and is not a pro level feature in other brand devices. This pushes many consumers to buy an iPad Pro over an iPad Air when they really only need an air for their use case.

Lock in we all know the Apple ecosystem is great. Say you have an iPhone a Mac and an iPad. They all work great together and you can share files, make calls and texts from any device. Say you get an Android phone and keep the rest. Now your entire ecosystem is broken and no longer can you do any of the things you could with your iPhone. Even though you bought the Mac and iPad and should have the same functionality no matter the phone or computer you use but Apple locks you in and gimps your experience on purpose so you don't buy anything other than Apple products. Apple could easily offer some basic compatibility and basic feature sharing but they don't. They could still offer more features for Apple products but give all basic compatibility and save special features for Apple to encourage people to buy Apple rather than just have it wreck their experience.

So it is been a long time coming but I have decided to let go of my Mac and iPad and just go Windows and Android for a while. I don't know if I will go back to Apple because until they change I would be forced to go all in or nothing. I don't want to buy something and have half the features work because of free choice. The convenience for lock in is a bargain I am no longer willing to make and I shouldn't. Apple should want their products to work well with other products just from a business use perspective.

I know a lot of people don't care about this issue or even like it and it makes them feel exclusive or special in a special group or club. But I want to use multiple different devices together and not have to have separate ecosystems. So I will stay on Windows/Linux/Android side of things. I may be back because I still like Apple. Then I could talk cost. I can't afford to keep two separate platforms, it has become too expensive in this economy for me. I can get so much more ram and ssd and better hardware with a couple of exceptions for a lot less than Apple. Sure a 16" MBP with M3 Pro is a better laptop than my 16" Samsung GalaxyBook 4 Pro 360 in some ways but it costs a lot more and is a lot heavier and the Ultra is available if I needed graphic horsepower and it is still cheaper than equivalent MBP. Obviously Intel has not caught up with m series yet. Although Meteor lake is a huge step in the right direction it is NOT YET equivalent to M3 in all areas. But the difference in terms of performance and battery life are so much better than before that Intel is now in m series ballpark. Intel has to get to 4nm probably before they will be competitive directly but by then who knows how advanced Apple m series will be. But in my opinion it is not about having the absolute best but good enough. Specially if I am saving over $1000. I personally think Intel is finally good enough. Room for a lot of improvement-yes. But good enough I can go a whole day without worrying about charging and I can get the same performance on battery as plugged in if I adjust settings and battery life is still good enough. Maybe I get 6-8 hours slamming the machine on battery vs 10-12 if I am not. I can deal with those numbers. What sucked before was 3-6 hours average battery life with 1-2 on heavy use and a big difference throttled on battery no matter the settings. That is a huge improvement.

So I have settled on two devices since I have to have a back up device no matter what platform and I like a 14" and 16" for different taks. I was going to get a 14" chromebook but they suck so much in terms of getting a nice chromebook that doesn't cost $1000. So in order to get a fast and responsive Chromebook with a decent ssd, ram, and processor, decent bright screen and speakers in something other than plastic you are looking at $1000 and the specs still aren't as good as a comparable priced Windows laptop. So I ditched that idea and decided on two Windows laptops, one Android tablet, an Android phone, an android watch and some ear buds. They all work flawlessly together and have more features than are available in an Mac.

So my two laptops have OLED 120hz touchscreens with AR coating and variable refresh rate and a hardened glass. You can't get anything like it on any Mac no matter how much you spend. I have a pencil or stylus with every major device I own. S pen on phone, tablet and PC. Not available on Mac or iPhone. Then there are new AI features like a circle to search feature in Windows!!

I will sell all my Apple stuff and end up paying a little out of pocket but I will be happy with everything I own. Samsung and HP give generous specs for the cost compared to Apple. I have a 2tb drive on the HP and 1tb drive on Samsung and Samsung gave me a free 2tb portable ssd. If I were to try to get just a 2tb drive it would cost a lot.

Apple products are really great but both Android and Windows OEM's have drastically improved on their top end devices the design, quality and materials to get close or even surpass Apple.

If I were to go all in on Apple with only one laptop, one iPad, one watch and ear buds it would cost me at least double and I would half the specs in order to do it with lesser hardware in some areas. M3 would be faster in some ways but not all. M3 Pro or better is faster and better in battery life but at the price point of pro m3 and decent specs cost gets prohibitive specially in the 16" which I would want but it is such a heavy beast. It is close to 5 pounds while my 16" GB4 is only 3.5 pounds. Big difference. And the GB4 still feels solid and has an objectively better screen for everything but brightness.

So while I will miss Apple and I have no hard feelings I am pretty confident with my choice. I have been using computers since before Apple 2 and Windows 95. I remember DOS and green and amber CRT screens. So I am very comfortable in any computing environment from flashy GUI to Text prompts. Apple and Unix have always been more complex for me to use because there are more steps for me to take toa accomplish the same task in Windows. Linux is very similar to Unix but some interfaces can look a lot like Windows. And I really like the ability to use Linux if I want to on my laptop.

I may visit a Chromebook again when they get some more compelling devices. I really like ChromeOS and being able to use a full Linux install within ChromeOS is very cool. The hardware just needs to catch up. I am not paying $600 for a laptop with EMMC storage or a celeron processor. I can't stand 250nits 45%ntsc screens!! Like put an ultra 7 155h 16gb ddr5x ram, 120hz Oled touch screen, minimum 256gb nvme pci4 ssd. all in a nice aluminum build. Priced at say $799. It would be the perfect Chromebook but now we got crap.

So Windows and Android for now....
I would never want an Android phone.

Nor a Balkanized constellation of hardware and operating systems.

I’m ok with ladder and lock in because I do get best from it.
 
Just to update a lot of people on here Modern Windows 11 is not prone to random reboots, crashes, driver issues, etc. Any large update will require a reboot on a Mac or PC so this is a bit of exaggeration as well.

The difference is, Apple gives me the choice if I am ready to reboot or not. Yesterday while I was literally in the middle of editing a word document on windows 11, the computer froze on me, the screen got distorted and it rebooted itself right into a firmware update. no warning. just boom. no exaggeration.
 
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I'm keeping my Macs, since I can install Linux they will work in the future, as long as the hardware doesn't malfunction.
 
Mac sales are down double digits YOY and it’s going to continue until they can deliver.
Am I missing something? Is Apple no longer the fourth largest (and arguably most successful by far) computer vendor? Are not Macbooks clearly the best laptops in that most-important category and selling well compared to other brands?

Compared to the rest of the industry Macs and Apple are indeed delivering. IMO Studios and MBPs rock for the industry segment your screen name suggests. I will take current management's track record over implied change recommendations that IMO just stem from wanting more for less.

Just my countervailing $0.02.
 
I think the OP makes very valid points.

People should use what works for them.

If Apple doesn’t work for you then don’t buy the products.
Buy what works for you.

I have a Mac Studio that use FCP X for video editing, home and recordings.
iPad Pro for day to day stuff.
iPhone SE.
Apple TV for consumption.

Used to run a Mac Pro for editing and mini as iTunes server however built a hack that used for editing and the mini replaced with a NAS with Plex.

Pages, numbers etc can save docs to 3rd party formats.
I could if could be bothered buy software to strip DRM from iTunes movies and move into Plex alternatively.

What’sApp used for messaging as communicate with android owners so iMessage doesn’t cut it as many people find when dealing with non apple

As such I can quite easily swap out if want too.

People can swap out if want too and if apple doesn’t work for you then people should.

If people swap out instead of paying apples prices when apples doesn’t work anymore then apple will start to provide more of what you like.

There is competition and alternatives to all of apples products when comes down to it.
 
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Am I missing something? Is Apple no longer the fourth largest (and arguably most successful by far) computer vendor? Are not Macbooks clearly the best laptops in that most-important category and selling well compared to other brands?

Compared to the rest of the industry Macs and Apple are indeed delivering. IMO Studios and MBPs rock for the industry segment your screen name suggests. I will take current management's track record over implied change recommendations that IMO just stem from wanting more for less.

Just my countervailing $0.02.

MacBooks are great but dollar for dollar a Lenovo Yoga is much better and we don’t put up with bug filled OS and no solutions. At least with Windows there are many more third-party vendors to help offset bugs.
 
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I'm keeping my Macs, since I can install Linux they will work in the future, as long as the hardware doesn't malfunction.
If you have an Intel Mac. Good luck with Linux on M series. You can get Yellowdog Linuxbut I don't think much else will get everything working on a Mac vs Windows where you have a wide variety of Linux distro's to choose from. If you wanted to have the longest possible lifetime with a device and Windows based device will last longer using Linux than a Mac counterpart generally speaking with less hardware issues.

I would NEVER buy a Mac to run Linux---I am replacing my Unix system with a Unix copy system with hardware tailormade for Unix? I don't know but if I have a Mac I want MacOS ONLY but that is me. Windows is easily replaced with Linux but I prefer Windows over Linux generally speaking and would never use Linux on a nice Windows laptop unless it came with Linux pre-installed. Generally I use Linux on the desktop and it works great. Laptops I tend to stick with the OS that came with it because a lot of hardware functionality can be lost in Linux and other issues. Desktops generally don't have those issues.

I mean I would rather run an unsupported version of MacOS an an obsoleted Mac any day over any Linux install but that is just me.
 
The difference is, Apple gives me the choice if I am ready to reboot or not. Yesterday while I was literally in the middle of editing a word document on windows 11, the computer froze on me, the screen got distorted and it rebooted itself right into a firmware update. no warning. just boom. no exaggeration.
Literally so does windows.

You have to change the settings in Windows Update. It will take less than a minute and then you will never have the issue again.

Windows will install updates without user interaction by default as a security and for better functionality. If you never adjust the settings then this will happen often to you. If you tell windows to ask before update or install and you can specify when it does updates like after hours, on a Tuesday for example.

But I highly, highly doubt that it installed a major update and rebooted without any prompts. It just doesn't work that way UNLESS you changed the settings to apply updates and restart immediately.

Either way you can control how updates work on Windows and even delay updates like 2 weeks.
 
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