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Speaking as someone who doesn’t have a Mac (not by choice), I will say I’m tired of windows. It’s not fun to hunt down drivers, diagnose hardware problems, Google error codes, and download apps from all over the internet. I prefer to have everything right there, all in one place, operating my devices harmoniously. Having an iPhone with Windows just feels clumsy to me.
 
I definitely am not a fan of Apples lock-in tactics. But I feel like they're the best option we have out of the choices available for a variety of reasons.

Hardware:
They're killing it in the hardware department. There is a reason Apple won't put an OLED screen on an iPad or a MacBook Pro yet: the lack of full-screen brightness and the risk of burn-in caused by static content. I bring this up because, in your initial post, you mentioned the new laptop you're buying has a superior OLED display.

But these OLED displays have some serious trade-offs. I own a PC OLED screen and it requires me to do pixel cleaning for every 8 hours of power-on time, that's 15 minutes a day I cannot physically use the screen because it's performing maintenance and even the latest models coming out next month (31.5" 4K 240Hz) still have this pixel cleaning feature to mitigate burn-in (which they do by making the entire display dimmer over time by the way).

Trust/Privacy:
If I want to be able to use the same messaging platform on my Windows PC, my Android phone or my iPad for example I have to use WhatsApp. That's what all my friends and family use if they don't use iMessage. I do not trust Meta and I certainly do not trust WhatsApp, their messaging software. I do not want to give them access to my data.

When it comes to Windows, just yesterday the search bar inside the taskbar of Windows 11 (which is there by default) had changed itself to show an Oscars-branded banner background. I do not want Microsoft advertising the Oscars on my taskbar and yet they did that yesterday. I do not trust Microsoft and I don't want to feel like I'm the product to be sold.

Many Android devices and Windows notebooks (and even plain Windows installed by yourself directly from a .iso from Microsoft.com) contain built-in apps from third-party developers. Things like Candy Crush, Instagram and Snapchat etc - I don't want this software on my devices and I certainly don't want those apps to have access to my data. We've seen in the past how the Facebook app on iPhones was serendipitously accessing people's contact lists to remarket to their friends and family, that's not a good thing.

When I buy a Mac, iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch or Homepod I know that I won't have apps preinstalled from third-party developers, I won't be seeing advertisements in the operating system and the telemetry data is opt-in instead of opt-out.

Apple isn't perfect
I would much prefer Apple to be more open. I wish they were more affordable so other people in lower-income households could enjoy them. I'm not a gatekeeper by any stretch. If iMessage came to Windows and Android, I'd be happy about it as it would be a great alternative to WhatsApp which is very dominant in my country.

But when I look at the alternative products from Meta, Google, Samsung, Microsoft and Amazon I'm just not impressed. They feel like plastic imitations with software that has been compromised purposefully to fulfil marketing agendas.

I use a PC all the time in fact I'm using one to write this because I don't feel like Apple's desktop systems are as compelling as their notebooks. I feel that the self-building experience you can get with a desktop PC results in a better system tailored to more generalised tasks (including importantly for me, Gaming) than a Mac Pro, Mac Studio or Mac Mini. But their Laptops especially right now with the M series chips are just untouchable in my opinion.

The last thing I'll say, for me, NVIDIA is really important. Their GPUs are just on a whole other level, they are as big for desktops and servers as Apples M series chips are for Apples notebooks. I cannot buy a desktop without an NVIDIA GPU. It's just that simple, I need the AI inferencing power, I need that graphics performance and perhaps most importantly I need the compatability. CUDA which is NVIDIA's architecture for writing programs for their GPU's is so ingrained in all facets of GPU-based acceleration that to not have one of these for AI (as an example) is like having a computer without an input device.

NVIDIA's technology is so fundamental to this area that Apple's hubris in specifically not allowing NVIDIA to author drivers for macOS has lost them probably more than half the sales of the Mac Pro since 2019 when the first Intel ones were released if not more than that, I really cannot overstate this enough. Apple thought they could do AI alone with the M series chips, they don't even come close to what you can do with an NVIDIA accelerator and I'm not just talking hardware and flops here I'm talking software and the ecosystem. It's no good having a 500 MPH car if you don't have any roads to drive it on.

I know this is long so I'll stop here just my generalised thoughts.

TL;DR Apple could do better, they're doing well in some areas, not so good in others, I still prefer them overall to the competition but I'll keep building Windows-based desktops for the foreseeable.
 
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I didn't know how to breach this subject because I am not writing this based on one OS or hardware's superiority. I like Mac's. They are beautiful, functional and powerful. They are a rip off to a certain extent, I hate Apple's business practices and manufacturing. I hate a lot of things within the various OS that Apple develops. But I love a lot of it too. Not the first sentence but the second, The OS is pretty sweet, and the various devices all have great software and hardware. Apple is pretty much King in terms of the "Best". The best security, the best design, the best cpu/gpu in mobile, and so much more. So I am no hater of Apple. But over time things have gotten to a point where I either hobble along and deal with it or I vote with my dollars to hopefully start to make a change.

I am one person so I am meaningless to Apple but if enough people in a similar situation as I am do what I do then it will start to hurt Apple's bottom line and then they might pay attention and start to change.

I am talking about the ladder and lock in. Two things I hate most about Apple right now. There equipment in some cases is objectively better but not in all areas. The ladder is the technique of upselling the customer by holding back certain features that are not costly but hamper user experience in such a way a user wants to go up the ladder to the better model, then they will want better than base specs. Everything pushes you up the ladder and gets progressively more expensive. Ram/SSD upgrades anyone? Pro motion only on a pro device although pro motion would enhance the overall experience of all users and is not a pro level feature in other brand devices. This pushes many consumers to buy an iPad Pro over an iPad Air when they really only need an air for their use case.

Lock in we all know the Apple ecosystem is great. Say you have an iPhone a Mac and an iPad. They all work great together and you can share files, make calls and texts from any device. Say you get an Android phone and keep the rest. Now your entire ecosystem is broken and no longer can you do any of the things you could with your iPhone. Even though you bought the Mac and iPad and should have the same functionality no matter the phone or computer you use but Apple locks you in and gimps your experience on purpose so you don't buy anything other than Apple products. Apple could easily offer some basic compatibility and basic feature sharing but they don't. They could still offer more features for Apple products but give all basic compatibility and save special features for Apple to encourage people to buy Apple rather than just have it wreck their experience.

So it is been a long time coming but I have decided to let go of my Mac and iPad and just go Windows and Android for a while. I don't know if I will go back to Apple because until they change I would be forced to go all in or nothing. I don't want to buy something and have half the features work because of free choice. The convenience for lock in is a bargain I am no longer willing to make and I shouldn't. Apple should want their products to work well with other products just from a business use perspective.

I know a lot of people don't care about this issue or even like it and it makes them feel exclusive or special in a special group or club. But I want to use multiple different devices together and not have to have separate ecosystems. So I will stay on Windows/Linux/Android side of things. I may be back because I still like Apple. Then I could talk cost. I can't afford to keep two separate platforms, it has become too expensive in this economy for me. I can get so much more ram and ssd and better hardware with a couple of exceptions for a lot less than Apple. Sure a 16" MBP with M3 Pro is a better laptop than my 16" Samsung GalaxyBook 4 Pro 360 in some ways but it costs a lot more and is a lot heavier and the Ultra is available if I needed graphic horsepower and it is still cheaper than equivalent MBP. Obviously Intel has not caught up with m series yet. Although Meteor lake is a huge step in the right direction it is NOT YET equivalent to M3 in all areas. But the difference in terms of performance and battery life are so much better than before that Intel is now in m series ballpark. Intel has to get to 4nm probably before they will be competitive directly but by then who knows how advanced Apple m series will be. But in my opinion it is not about having the absolute best but good enough. Specially if I am saving over $1000. I personally think Intel is finally good enough. Room for a lot of improvement-yes. But good enough I can go a whole day without worrying about charging and I can get the same performance on battery as plugged in if I adjust settings and battery life is still good enough. Maybe I get 6-8 hours slamming the machine on battery vs 10-12 if I am not. I can deal with those numbers. What sucked before was 3-6 hours average battery life with 1-2 on heavy use and a big difference throttled on battery no matter the settings. That is a huge improvement.

So I have settled on two devices since I have to have a back up device no matter what platform and I like a 14" and 16" for different taks. I was going to get a 14" chromebook but they suck so much in terms of getting a nice chromebook that doesn't cost $1000. So in order to get a fast and responsive Chromebook with a decent ssd, ram, and processor, decent bright screen and speakers in something other than plastic you are looking at $1000 and the specs still aren't as good as a comparable priced Windows laptop. So I ditched that idea and decided on two Windows laptops, one Android tablet, an Android phone, an android watch and some ear buds. They all work flawlessly together and have more features than are available in an Mac.

So my two laptops have OLED 120hz touchscreens with AR coating and variable refresh rate and a hardened glass. You can't get anything like it on any Mac no matter how much you spend. I have a pencil or stylus with every major device I own. S pen on phone, tablet and PC. Not available on Mac or iPhone. Then there are new AI features like a circle to search feature in Windows!!

I will sell all my Apple stuff and end up paying a little out of pocket but I will be happy with everything I own. Samsung and HP give generous specs for the cost compared to Apple. I have a 2tb drive on the HP and 1tb drive on Samsung and Samsung gave me a free 2tb portable ssd. If I were to try to get just a 2tb drive it would cost a lot.

Apple products are really great but both Android and Windows OEM's have drastically improved on their top end devices the design, quality and materials to get close or even surpass Apple.

If I were to go all in on Apple with only one laptop, one iPad, one watch and ear buds it would cost me at least double and I would half the specs in order to do it with lesser hardware in some areas. M3 would be faster in some ways but not all. M3 Pro or better is faster and better in battery life but at the price point of pro m3 and decent specs cost gets prohibitive specially in the 16" which I would want but it is such a heavy beast. It is close to 5 pounds while my 16" GB4 is only 3.5 pounds. Big difference. And the GB4 still feels solid and has an objectively better screen for everything but brightness.

So while I will miss Apple and I have no hard feelings I am pretty confident with my choice. I have been using computers since before Apple 2 and Windows 95. I remember DOS and green and amber CRT screens. So I am very comfortable in any computing environment from flashy GUI to Text prompts. Apple and Unix have always been more complex for me to use because there are more steps for me to take toa accomplish the same task in Windows. Linux is very similar to Unix but some interfaces can look a lot like Windows. And I really like the ability to use Linux if I want to on my laptop.

I may visit a Chromebook again when they get some more compelling devices. I really like ChromeOS and being able to use a full Linux install within ChromeOS is very cool. The hardware just needs to catch up. I am not paying $600 for a laptop with EMMC storage or a celeron processor. I can't stand 250nits 45%ntsc screens!! Like put an ultra 7 155h 16gb ddr5x ram, 120hz Oled touch screen, minimum 256gb nvme pci4 ssd. all in a nice aluminum build. Priced at say $799. It would be the perfect Chromebook but now we got crap.

So Windows and Android for now....
I remember doing the same going from Windows to Apple 20 years ago, never looked back!😂
 
Interesting responses and thank you to those who honestly responded with varied opinions. I appreciate the consideration and reading most of what I wrote. I write a lot because I find on the internet that without a proper explanation people will misconstrue your words.

I am not a novice user as I tried to explain at the start. I am not switching for the first time. I used to run 3 separate or 4 platforms if you count ChromeOS on different devices for years. I am proficient in Linux (many distros including slackware, debian, etc) BSD, Windows since Dos, Android since Donut or before, MacOS before OSX, iOS since iPhone X, iPad OS since a10 or before on iPads, Android tablets since they were first released on a Tegra SOC.

It is through much deliberation and thought as well as my experience over the years with multiple platforms that I am deciding to leave Apple until or if the changes I listed at least modify to a point it is acceptable to me.

I also understand that Apple has every right to do what they do that makes them a profit but there is also a way they can potentially make even more profit if they changed at least a couple of the big issues. I also understand that Apple is a premium brand and so prices both hardware and upgrades accordingly and I have no problem with it. I just think as a consumer it is unfair and I don't like it.

People have said many times if you don't like it then just leave. I did. That is sort of the point of the post.

People have said I am just posting to complain. Or that my post is a useless attempt to change things. I disagree. A thought expressed by one person can be useless-agreed, but a thought when shared and amplified by many and those many then share their opinions it can spark a change. All change starts with an idea or opinion that something is wrong. How do unjust laws get rectified? Someone has to stand up and say this is wrong and I will not stand for it.

I find a lot of the comments about Windows with driver issues and reboots, etc very interesting. In my experience as a IT tech support agent a lot of times people who are not tech knowledgeable have a lot of problems with Windows and user error can destroy a Windows system a lot easier than on a Mac. I will say that. Windows does require more maintenance and an understanding of the control panel and Terminal. But it offers a lot more control and configurability.

Just to update a lot of people on here Modern Windows 11 is not prone to random reboots, crashes, driver issues, etc. Any large update will require a reboot on a Mac or PC so this is a bit of exaggeration as well. In terms of drivers Windows now has a security feature to check driver signatures before install no matter the brand. Windows is extremely stable and fast and it is a lot more secure than people seem to understand. I haven't a clue the last time I dealt with Malware on a PC? I don't even need antivirus from a 3rd party because Windows defender works really well and with a little knowledge about the firewall and defender you can really lock everything down with no impact to your system and it is free. People say you don't need AV on a Mac and I agree but I really would like to see granular control of the firewall and an Apple AV software like Defender. You can't just rely on passive defense even with MacOS and I would really love to see some built in malware protection I can actually have a GUI and use myself. I know MacOS has Malware detection built in but you have no access or control over it and can't scan files, a drive or manual scan. I don't like 3rd party AV software as I feel it is Malware itself!
 
Speaking as someone who doesn’t have a Mac (not by choice), I will say I’m tired of windows. It’s not fun to hunt down drivers, diagnose hardware problems, Google error codes, and download apps from all over the internet. I prefer to have everything right there, all in one place, operating my devices harmoniously. Having an iPhone with Windows just feels clumsy to me.
I am trying to remember the last driver I actually sought out and installed. I think I only did the one for my graphics card, and that was it? Other than that? I haven't had to do any of those things in years. So mileage may vary, I guess.

Also, and this is probably due to my age (since I preceded the smartphone), but I use each device as only that device. So I use my iPhone as a phone and my Windows machines for everything else. As long as my stuff is cross platform (and it is) then I am good to go. So not clumsy for me?
 
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I definitely am not a fan of Apples lock-in tactics. But I feel like they're the best option we have out of the choices available for a variety of reasons.

Hardware:
They're killing it in the hardware department. There is a reason Apple won't put an OLED screen on an iPad or a MacBook Pro yet: the lack of full-screen brightness and the risk of burn-in caused by static content. I bring this up because, in your initial post, you mentioned the new laptop you're buying has a superior OLED display.

But these OLED displays have some serious trade-offs. I own a PC OLED screen and it requires me to do pixel cleaning for every 8 hours of power-on time, that's 15 minutes a day I cannot physically use the screen because it's performing maintenance and even the latest models coming out next month (31.5" 4K 240Hz) still have this pixel cleaning feature to mitigate burn-in (which they do by making the entire display dimmer over time by the way).

Trust/Privacy:
If I want to be able to use the same messaging platform on my Windows PC, my Android phone or my iPad for example I have to use WhatsApp. That's what all my friends and family use if they don't use iMessage. I do not trust Meta and I certainly do not trust WhatsApp, their messaging software. I do not want to give them access to my data.

When it comes to Windows, just yesterday the search bar inside the taskbar of Windows 11 (which is there by default) had changed itself to show an Oscars-branded banner background. I do not want Microsoft advertising the Oscars on my taskbar and yet they did that yesterday. I do not trust Microsoft and I don't want to feel like I'm the product to be sold.

Many Android devices and Windows notebooks (and even plain Windows installed by yourself directly from a .iso from Microsoft.com) contain built-in apps from third-party developers. Things like Candy Crush, Instagram and Snapchat etc - I don't want this software on my devices and I certainly don't want those apps to have access to my data. We've seen in the past how the Facebook app on iPhones was serendipitously accessing people's contact lists to remarket to their friends and family, that's not a good thing.

When I buy a Mac, iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch or Homepod I know that I won't have apps preinstalled from third-party developers, I won't be seeing advertisements in the operating system and the telemetry data is opt-in instead of opt-out.

Apple isn't perfect
I would much prefer Apple to be more open. I wish they were more affordable so other people in lower-income households could enjoy them. I'm not a gatekeeper by any stretch. If iMessage came to Windows and Android, I'd be happy about it as it would be a great alternative to WhatsApp which is very dominant in my country.

But when I look at the alternative products from Meta, Google, Samsung, Microsoft and Amazon I'm just not impressed. They feel like plastic imitations with software that has been compromised purposefully to fulfil marketing agendas.

I use a PC all the time in fact I'm using one to write this because I don't feel like Apple's desktop systems are as compelling as their notebooks. I feel that the self-building experience you can get with a desktop PC results in a better system tailored to more generalised tasks (including importantly for me, Gaming) than a Mac Pro, Mac Studio or Mac Mini. But their Laptops especially right now with the M series chips are just untouchable in my opinion.

The last thing I'll say, for me, NVIDIA is really important. Their GPUs are just on a whole other level, they are as big for desktops and servers as Apples M series chips are for Apples notebooks. I cannot buy a desktop without an NVIDIA GPU. It's just that simple, I need the AI inferencing power, I need that graphics performance and perhaps most importantly I need the compatability. CUDA which is NVIDIA's architecture for writing programs for their GPU's is so ingrained in all facets of GPU-based acceleration that to not have one of these for AI (as an example) is like having a computer without an input device.

NVIDIA's technology is so fundamental to this area that Apple's hubris in specifically not allowing NVIDIA to author drivers for macOS has lost them probably more than half the sales of the Mac Pro since 2019 when the first Intel ones were released if not more than that, I really cannot overstate this enough. Apple thought they could do AI alone with the M series chips, they don't even come close to what you can do with an NVIDIA accelerator and I'm not just talking hardware and flops here I'm talking software and the ecosystem. It's no good having a 500 MPH car if you don't have any roads to drive it on.

I know this is long so I'll stop here just my generalised thoughts.

TL;DR Apple could do better, they're doing well in some areas, not so good in others, I still prefer them overall to the competition but I'll keep building Windows-based desktops for the foreseeable.
New Oled screens are a lot better. Brightness can be an issue outdoors where 400 nits SDR is not enough but otherwise they are superior to anything else in terms of color accuracy, contrast, blacks, and new ones have a variable refresh rate up to 120hz.

There is no cleaning process. You just use the screen. Burn in happens after 5 or more years on older units and these are even better so the old pixel burn issues are not as much a problem anymore. The trade offs are worth it for basically a perfect image and no grey blacks. MiniLed Apple uses have a higher brightness and deep blacks but still suffer from blooming and poor screen response time-like 20ms vs 1ms on the OLED. Some people are not affected by blooming but it bothered me a lot so I prefer OLED or a really good IPS panel.

I agree M chips are the best on the market for Mobile laptops. But Intel and AMD and Qualcomm are competitive enough it wasn't like when M series first came out and Intel laptops could barely go 4 hours let alone 8 or 10. This is a big deal that now starting with MeteorLake and AMD 7th and 8th gen we are getting performance in the ballpark of M chips single core but often times are better in multi core and yet still get 8-10 hours of battery life without a performance hit on battery. Now we don't have to compromise and worry about battery or performance which was the Achilles heal of Windows laptops since M1. So yes, M3 is the best but Intel and AMD are good enough and with the difference in cost it is generally an acceptable trade off.
 
New Oled screens are a lot better. Brightness can be an issue outdoors where 400 nits SDR is not enough but otherwise they are superior to anything else in terms of color accuracy, contrast, blacks, and new ones have a variable refresh rate up to 120hz.

There is no cleaning process. You just use the screen. Burn in happens after 5 or more years on older units and these are even better so the old pixel burn issues are not as much a problem anymore.
This is false. Just look at the new monitors coming out next month, they all include full-screen brightness reduction (open a large white window on an OLED and watch as the brightness of the display dims noticeably to compensate for the panel's power consumption).

And all the desktop OLED displays include pixel cleaning and other OLED mitigation techniques including moving the image around the display 1 pixel at a time (called pixel-shifting) to try and wear the pixels more evenly. All these technologies are applied on the latest models.

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One last thing, the brightness on the latest OLED's for desktops is 250 nits in SDR, not 400. By contrast, the 5K Studio display reaches 600 nits for SDR content. It's just not a technology ready for such large computer displays that show a lot of static content. Maybe the gap is bridged a bit more on laptop-sized panels but I doubt it.

The trade offs are worth it for basically a perfect image and no grey blacks. MiniLed Apple uses have a higher brightness and deep blacks but still suffer from blooming and poor screen response time-like 20ms vs 1ms on the OLED. Some people are not affected by blooming but it bothered me a lot so I prefer OLED or a really good IPS panel.

I agree OLED looks better and I have witnessed the blooming. But ya know, my OLED is only a year old, it got image retention on the first day I owned it (which pixel cleaning corrected but it gave me pause). That wasn't burn-in, but it was something that I had never experienced with an IPS display before and within the first 24 hours of ownership, shocking. That was a generation 2 OLED, the ones launching next month are generation 3.
 
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Interesting responses and thank you to those who honestly responded with varied opinions. I appreciate the consideration and reading most of what I wrote. I write a lot because I find on the internet that without a proper explanation people will misconstrue your words.

I am not a novice user as I tried to explain at the start. I am not switching for the first time. I used to run 3 separate or 4 platforms if you count ChromeOS on different devices for years. I am proficient in Linux (many distros including slackware, debian, etc) BSD, Windows since Dos, Android since Donut or before, MacOS before OSX, iOS since iPhone X, iPad OS since a10 or before on iPads, Android tablets since they were first released on a Tegra SOC.

It is through much deliberation and thought as well as my experience over the years with multiple platforms that I am deciding to leave Apple until or if the changes I listed at least modify to a point it is acceptable to me.

I also understand that Apple has every right to do what they do that makes them a profit but there is also a way they can potentially make even more profit if they changed at least a couple of the big issues. I also understand that Apple is a premium brand and so prices both hardware and upgrades accordingly and I have no problem with it. I just think as a consumer it is unfair and I don't like it.

People have said many times if you don't like it then just leave. I did. That is sort of the point of the post.

People have said I am just posting to complain. Or that my post is a useless attempt to change things. I disagree. A thought expressed by one person can be useless-agreed, but a thought when shared and amplified by many and those many then share their opinions it can spark a change. All change starts with an idea or opinion that something is wrong. How do unjust laws get rectified? Someone has to stand up and say this is wrong and I will not stand for it.

I find a lot of the comments about Windows with driver issues and reboots, etc very interesting. In my experience as a IT tech support agent a lot of times people who are not tech knowledgeable have a lot of problems with Windows and user error can destroy a Windows system a lot easier than on a Mac. I will say that. Windows does require more maintenance and an understanding of the control panel and Terminal. But it offers a lot more control and configurability.

Just to update a lot of people on here Modern Windows 11 is not prone to random reboots, crashes, driver issues, etc. Any large update will require a reboot on a Mac or PC so this is a bit of exaggeration as well. In terms of drivers Windows now has a security feature to check driver signatures before install no matter the brand. Windows is extremely stable and fast and it is a lot more secure than people seem to understand. I haven't a clue the last time I dealt with Malware on a PC? I don't even need antivirus from a 3rd party because Windows defender works really well and with a little knowledge about the firewall and defender you can really lock everything down with no impact to your system and it is free. People say you don't need AV on a Mac and I agree but I really would like to see granular control of the firewall and an Apple AV software like Defender. You can't just rely on passive defense even with MacOS and I would really love to see some built in malware protection I can actually have a GUI and use myself. I know MacOS has Malware detection built in but you have no access or control over it and can't scan files, a drive or manual scan. I don't like 3rd party AV software as I feel it is Malware itself!
Windows 11 is much more stable, but I did have trackpad driver issues, Edge required restarting about twice a week, escaping their Copilot AI is hard, Microsoft put ads on their default email program (which is rubbish anyway) and almost every minor update to Windows required a reboot. Once, Skype updated automatically and it ended my call in the middle of a meeting and restarted without asking me.

No problem, though. Enjoy your Windows life... I didn't...
 
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Nope they didn't. Curiously since you seem interested, the banana regulation merely categorized them to make it easier for people to know what they were buying, and the vacuum cleaner regulations had been supported by the British government who (like all member states) could have simply blocked them from implementation if they wished to - they were part of non-binding conservation policies.
Semantics. We should take our case to the European Court for resolution.... :)
 
This is false. Just look at the new monitors coming out next month, they all include full-screen brightness reduction (open a large white window on an OLED and watch as the brightness of the display dims noticeably to compensate for the panel's power consumption).

And all the desktop OLED displays include pixel cleaning and other OLED mitigation techniques including moving the image around the display 1 pixel at a time (called pixel-shifting) to try and wear the pixels more evenly. All these technologies are applied on the latest models.

EDIT:
One last thing, the brightness on the latest OLED's for desktops is 250 nits in SDR, not 400. By contrast, the 5K Studio display reaches 600 nits for SDR content. It's just not a technology ready for such large computer displays that show a lot of static content. Maybe the gap is bridged a bit more on laptop-sized panels but I doubt it.



I agree OLED looks better and I have witnessed the blooming. But ya know, my OLED is only a year old, it got image retention on the first day I owned it (which pixel cleaning corrected but it gave me pause). That wasn't burn-in, but it was something that I had never experienced with an IPS display before and within the first 24 hours of ownership, shocking. That was a generation 2 OLED, the ones launching next month are generation 3.

You should check specs. Standard SDR 400 nits, 500 nits HDR. What you are saying is FALSE! Never had a screen dim on me unless it happens due to extreme load on the cpu and that will affect any screen? Regardless never seen it happen on OLED or OLED only.

Samsung GalaxyBook 4 Pro has a brightness booster for outdoors up to 600 nits SDR!

I owned the very first 15.6" HP laptop with an OLED screen and had it for a couple years and never had any screen retention issues? It could be related to a brand or defective unit?

"Brightness does not match the Mini LED displays of the top MacBook Pro models, though, but the figures are still above average. And, oddly enough, better than Samsung's own claims of 400 nits, or 500 when displaying HDR. I measured 400 nits with normal content, sure, but a fraction under 600 nits with HDR. Nice." Taken from this article,


So I am not sure what you are referring too? This was always a discussion of laptops and mobile devices around them not desktops or desktop monitors which are a very different beast.
 
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This has a haptic trackpad and goes on sale for $1499. Comes with a 120hz OLED anti reflective variable refresh rate touch screen 3k resolution, 32gb ddr5x ram, pci 4 nvme 2tb, great speakers and build, has windows hello camera and fingerprint reader. No it is no MBP 14" with M3 Pro but that costs $1999 with sales for $1799 with a 512gb ssd and 18 gb ram. It has M3 Pro. It is a better device for sure but how much better? If I got a similar config Mac it would be $2500! So the cost is not even close and the if I could afford the MacBook with the extra ram and ssd but then I would not have full use of the ecosystem so I can't win with Apple.

The privacy issue is so misunderstood. I have Windows 11 Home but with a simple registry addition I have disabled all telemetry. On top of that if you go into privacy settings you can turn off a lot of data collection. On a Mac you have to trust Apple because you can't turn off anything or alter anything deep within the OS. I can use Windows own firewall to see not only what apps but what processes are talking on my network. Google is selling all our data but what search engine are most people using on their iPhone anyway?

Also tech changes fast. Windows laptops have gotten a lot better but there is still a lot of junk but Asus, Samsung, HP and on a budget Acer make some nice devices. High end like $800 or more generally gets a solid device. At least with Windows you have a wide selection of brands and hardware to choose from.
Try DuckDuckGo Search (they have private browser also). I have not been able to do any network testing on this search/browser, but they claim privacy is a major priority!! It works great with all Apple's devices/OS.
 
Windows 11 is much more stable, but I did have trackpad driver issues, Edge required restarting about twice a week, escaping their Copilot AI is hard, Microsoft put ads on their default email program (which is rubbish anyway) and almost every minor update to Windows required a reboot. Once, Skype updated automatically and it ended my call in the middle of a meeting and restarted without asking me.

No problem, though. Enjoy your Windows life... I didn't...
SO you don't have to reboot with MacOS updates? Frequency of updates or rather a higher frequency of updates would be a good thing wouldn't it? You can adjust the setting in Windows update so it won't restart until a specified time or unless it asks you first. It is a setting you can easily adjust??

Again, a lot of complaints seem to center around I didn't have a good experience because this happened but why did it happen? Could you have done something different that once you changed a setting would make sure it would never happen again? The answer is yes. I am not minimizing your experience because those thing suck but if you have used Windows for any amount of time you know they have changed the way updates work to address people's complaints and you would have proactively changed settings to your liking. But that is how I think and not everyone.
 
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You should check specs. Standard SDR 400 nits, 500 nits HDR. What you are saying is FALSE! Never had a screen dim on me unless it happens due to extreme load on the cpu and that will affect any screen? Regardless never seen it happen on OLED or OLED only.

Samsung GalaxyBook 4 Pro has a brightness booster for outdoors up to 600 nits SDR!

I owned the very first 15.6" HP laptop with an OLED screen and had it for a couple years and never had any screen retention issues? It could be related to a brand or defective unit?

"Brightness does not match the Mini LED displays of the top MacBook Pro models, though, but the figures are still above average. And, oddly enough, better than Samsung's own claims of 400 nits, or 500 when displaying HDR. I measured 400 nits with normal content, sure, but a fraction under 600 nits with HDR. Nice." Taken from this article,


So I am not sure what you are referring too? This was always a discussion of laptops and mobile devices around them not desktops or desktop monitors which are a very different beast.
I am wrong and the notebooks use a different OLED technology to the desktops. AMOLED instead of WOLED or QD-OLED that the desktop panels use. My bad.

The desktop ones dim because the pixels consume too much power (OLED is self-emissive, so when you show all white it uses the most energy). Seems the ones they're using on phones, tablets and notebooks don't suffer from this problem.
 
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I am wrong and the notebooks use a different OLED technology to the desktops. AMOLED instead of WOLED or QD-OLED that the desktop panels use. My bad.

The desktop ones dim because the pixels consume too much power (OLED is self-emissive, so when you show all white it uses the most energy). Seems the ones they're using on phones, tablets and notebooks don't suffer from this problem.
Yes, Super Amoled x 2 120hz dynamic refresh rate with hardened glass and anti reflective coating at 3k resolution. 400 nits SDR, 500 nits HDR, and 600 nits outdoor-only for Samsung notebooks latest gen 4.

So mini led gets a lot brighter but only again in HDR. SDR is 500 nits for MBP and I think the new ones are brighter at 600 nits SDR which is very good but in day to day not a huge difference between the two. I don't use HDR but if you do then it is a huge difference for sure.

I just wanted to correct some of the things I knew were not correct about your statement and it is big of you to admit when you are wrong.

These Amoled screens are amazing for what they are. Until micro led. When Apple uses micro led then I may say that is a better solution. You get the brightness and nice whites of IPS type display with the blacks and contrast similar to OLED and no chance of screen burn in. So I think OLED is good but it does have limitations. For now these are the best laptop screens on the Market for everything but brightness.
 
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or I vote with my dollars to hopefully start to make a change.
Realistically, if Apple gets to that point we’re probably looking at a major decline, like mid-90s kind of decline.

I agree that the ladder seems to be getting enforced harder and harder… it’s almost like there’s no point in buying a 16” MBP unless you get the $3.5k config. But by then, you’ve also way overbought a lot of other stuff you don’t need. I really don’t like what they’re doing here.

I have explored leaving them behind back in 2019/2020, and it didn’t work out. I couldn’t move to windows, I’d hate life. Only options for me are FreeBSD or Linux (probably Ubuntu). The problem was that I just don’t have enough time to fiddle with things.

Ubuntu was great until I hit some of those snags and relegated my custom built PC to being a home/plex server.
 
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I grew up using Mainframes/Unix/Linux, but also was pretty good with Windoze. Now that I am in the Apple camp, I hate their pricing ladder also. But, one thing that I've hardly ever seen talked about is the software available for Apple OS vs Windows vs Linux. I liked the available software for Windows and Linux, but not so much for Apple OS. Seems like this is changing, but the software for Apple is more expensive (especially for MacOS)! I truly hate the subscription pricing!!
 
I am trying to remember the last driver I actually sought out and installed. I think I only did the one for my graphics card, and that was it? Other than that? I haven't had to do any of those things in years. So mileage may vary, I guess.

Also, and this is probably due to my age (since I preceded the smartphone), but I use each device as only that device. So I use my iPhone as a phone and my Windows machines for everything else. As long as my stuff is cross platform (and it is) then I am good to go. So not clumsy for me?
No insult intended. It just feels that way to me because it’s the last major chunk of the ecosystem that I’m missing (don’t care for iPads).
 
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Well said OP. Ultimately, it's your money and you have to choose what works best for you. That's what I did -- I'm happily on Windows after having been on macOS (and Boot Camp, RIP) for just over a decade. I have my myriad of reasons -- one of which being that I genuinely think Windows is just the better OS for getting work done -- but, in many respects, you can say that Apple lost me as a customer, and not the other way around.

I currently have an Android phone, as well -- the Pixel 8. It's a very fine device and, truthfully, warrants nothing to complain about. The device just works. I'm considering another iPhone because of personal taste (I like switching between platforms each phone upgrade), but I see no future where I'd own another MacBook as of right now.
 
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I find a lot of the comments about Windows with driver issues and reboots, etc very interesting. In my experience as a IT tech support agent a lot of times people who are not tech knowledgeable have a lot of problems with Windows and user error can destroy a Windows system a lot easier than on a Mac. I will say that. Windows does require more maintenance and an understanding of the control panel and Terminal. But it offers a lot more control and configurability.
Wanted to add my two cents on this -- I agree. I remember when you had to pull out CD's or download drivers from the internet. Nowadays, Windows Update handles everything for you. I honestly can't believe it works as well as it does. I recently installed a new SSD into my laptop. That meant ALL existing drivers were gone (side note: 2TB, $155 pre-tax, take that Apple). After the first Windows bootup, Windows update downloaded all the drivers for me and I was on my merry way. Just like that. "It just works."*

*Big ol' asterisk here, though. I understand this undermines my point completely. This particular laptop did have an issue with the display driver -- manufacturer-installed software would often, abruptly, install an incorrect driver over the top of the display driver from Windows Update. I eventually found the solution to the issue and simply uninstalled the software. Separately, I also had to download the latest Nvidia driver from their website since the Windows Update driver was old. But for me, stuff like that is no big deal. I reckon that is true for many of the readers of this site. But for your average user, I could see them hauling the computer off to Best Buy for help. Windows isn't at the same level macOS is -- it's nearly impossible due to the lack of vertical integration. But it's close.
 
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I prefer having the best of both. Mac for my air as the portability and battery life is on another level, no fans and how well it integrates into my other apple devices. But when it comes to desktop, windows all day for me because i game. I also love windows 11, had no issues with it, its been very stable and easy to keep up to date.
 
I get the ladder point. But thats just a simple upselling most of the companies do.

Have you ever ordered a german car?
You can buy the base model for $30.000 and have to spend tens of thousands for extras. When you order the high end sport version of the same series with all extras $100.000 is not unrealistic.

You as a customer have to be aware what you really need.

And often we get in the trap of future proofing.

When you need it for a job it soon pays back.
for personal use a year old model for half the price is doing just fine.
 
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I didn't know how to breach this subject because I am not writing this based on one OS or hardware's superiority. I like Mac's. They are beautiful, functional and powerful. They are a rip off to a certain extent, I hate Apple's business practices and manufacturing. I hate a lot of things within the various OS that Apple develops. But I love a lot of it too. Not the first sentence but the second, The OS is pretty sweet, and the various devices all have great software and hardware. Apple is pretty much King in terms of the "Best". The best security, the best design, the best cpu/gpu in mobile, and so much more. So I am no hater of Apple. But over time things have gotten to a point where I either hobble along and deal with it or I vote with my dollars to hopefully start to make a change.

I am one person so I am meaningless to Apple but if enough people in a similar situation as I am do what I do then it will start to hurt Apple's bottom line and then they might pay attention and start to change.

I am talking about the ladder and lock in. Two things I hate most about Apple right now. There equipment in some cases is objectively better but not in all areas. The ladder is the technique of upselling the customer by holding back certain features that are not costly but hamper user experience in such a way a user wants to go up the ladder to the better model, then they will want better than base specs. Everything pushes you up the ladder and gets progressively more expensive. Ram/SSD upgrades anyone? Pro motion only on a pro device although pro motion would enhance the overall experience of all users and is not a pro level feature in other brand devices. This pushes many consumers to buy an iPad Pro over an iPad Air when they really only need an air for their use case.

Lock in we all know the Apple ecosystem is great. Say you have an iPhone a Mac and an iPad. They all work great together and you can share files, make calls and texts from any device. Say you get an Android phone and keep the rest. Now your entire ecosystem is broken and no longer can you do any of the things you could with your iPhone. Even though you bought the Mac and iPad and should have the same functionality no matter the phone or computer you use but Apple locks you in and gimps your experience on purpose so you don't buy anything other than Apple products. Apple could easily offer some basic compatibility and basic feature sharing but they don't. They could still offer more features for Apple products but give all basic compatibility and save special features for Apple to encourage people to buy Apple rather than just have it wreck their experience.

So it is been a long time coming but I have decided to let go of my Mac and iPad and just go Windows and Android for a while. I don't know if I will go back to Apple because until they change I would be forced to go all in or nothing. I don't want to buy something and have half the features work because of free choice. The convenience for lock in is a bargain I am no longer willing to make and I shouldn't. Apple should want their products to work well with other products just from a business use perspective.

I know a lot of people don't care about this issue or even like it and it makes them feel exclusive or special in a special group or club. But I want to use multiple different devices together and not have to have separate ecosystems. So I will stay on Windows/Linux/Android side of things. I may be back because I still like Apple. Then I could talk cost. I can't afford to keep two separate platforms, it has become too expensive in this economy for me. I can get so much more ram and ssd and better hardware with a couple of exceptions for a lot less than Apple. Sure a 16" MBP with M3 Pro is a better laptop than my 16" Samsung GalaxyBook 4 Pro 360 in some ways but it costs a lot more and is a lot heavier and the Ultra is available if I needed graphic horsepower and it is still cheaper than equivalent MBP. Obviously Intel has not caught up with m series yet. Although Meteor lake is a huge step in the right direction it is NOT YET equivalent to M3 in all areas. But the difference in terms of performance and battery life are so much better than before that Intel is now in m series ballpark. Intel has to get to 4nm probably before they will be competitive directly but by then who knows how advanced Apple m series will be. But in my opinion it is not about having the absolute best but good enough. Specially if I am saving over $1000. I personally think Intel is finally good enough. Room for a lot of improvement-yes. But good enough I can go a whole day without worrying about charging and I can get the same performance on battery as plugged in if I adjust settings and battery life is still good enough. Maybe I get 6-8 hours slamming the machine on battery vs 10-12 if I am not. I can deal with those numbers. What sucked before was 3-6 hours average battery life with 1-2 on heavy use and a big difference throttled on battery no matter the settings. That is a huge improvement.

So I have settled on two devices since I have to have a back up device no matter what platform and I like a 14" and 16" for different taks. I was going to get a 14" chromebook but they suck so much in terms of getting a nice chromebook that doesn't cost $1000. So in order to get a fast and responsive Chromebook with a decent ssd, ram, and processor, decent bright screen and speakers in something other than plastic you are looking at $1000 and the specs still aren't as good as a comparable priced Windows laptop. So I ditched that idea and decided on two Windows laptops, one Android tablet, an Android phone, an android watch and some ear buds. They all work flawlessly together and have more features than are available in an Mac.

So my two laptops have OLED 120hz touchscreens with AR coating and variable refresh rate and a hardened glass. You can't get anything like it on any Mac no matter how much you spend. I have a pencil or stylus with every major device I own. S pen on phone, tablet and PC. Not available on Mac or iPhone. Then there are new AI features like a circle to search feature in Windows!!

I will sell all my Apple stuff and end up paying a little out of pocket but I will be happy with everything I own. Samsung and HP give generous specs for the cost compared to Apple. I have a 2tb drive on the HP and 1tb drive on Samsung and Samsung gave me a free 2tb portable ssd. If I were to try to get just a 2tb drive it would cost a lot.

Apple products are really great but both Android and Windows OEM's have drastically improved on their top end devices the design, quality and materials to get close or even surpass Apple.

If I were to go all in on Apple with only one laptop, one iPad, one watch and ear buds it would cost me at least double and I would half the specs in order to do it with lesser hardware in some areas. M3 would be faster in some ways but not all. M3 Pro or better is faster and better in battery life but at the price point of pro m3 and decent specs cost gets prohibitive specially in the 16" which I would want but it is such a heavy beast. It is close to 5 pounds while my 16" GB4 is only 3.5 pounds. Big difference. And the GB4 still feels solid and has an objectively better screen for everything but brightness.

So while I will miss Apple and I have no hard feelings I am pretty confident with my choice. I have been using computers since before Apple 2 and Windows 95. I remember DOS and green and amber CRT screens. So I am very comfortable in any computing environment from flashy GUI to Text prompts. Apple and Unix have always been more complex for me to use because there are more steps for me to take toa accomplish the same task in Windows. Linux is very similar to Unix but some interfaces can look a lot like Windows. And I really like the ability to use Linux if I want to on my laptop.

I may visit a Chromebook again when they get some more compelling devices. I really like ChromeOS and being able to use a full Linux install within ChromeOS is very cool. The hardware just needs to catch up. I am not paying $600 for a laptop with EMMC storage or a celeron processor. I can't stand 250nits 45%ntsc screens!! Like put an ultra 7 155h 16gb ddr5x ram, 120hz Oled touch screen, minimum 256gb nvme pci4 ssd. all in a nice aluminum build. Priced at say $799. It would be the perfect Chromebook but now we got crap.

So Windows and Android for now....

WHAT A POST!

See you back here in 6 months champ.
 
I may visit a Chromebook again when they get some more compelling devices. I really like ChromeOS and being able to use a full Linux install within ChromeOS is very cool. The hardware just needs to catch up. I am not paying $600 for a laptop with EMMC storage or a celeron processor.
Pay more (pixel book) and you can get (i7 Intel) 16gb ram and 512gb nvme ssd storage.
 
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