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I7guy

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I'm a part time photographer too and I don't think there is an unbiased one on the planet. You have to be biased as its such a creative process. I've seen people argue almost to the death over Nikon vs Canon and which is better. The truth is neither is better but there are differences in the results and people have preferences. It's the same with modern phones really too. We know what we like and others apply their preferences to the argument to tell you you're wrong. Specs also matter to some whereas software is key for others. I don't think there is any right answer lol.

I agree 100% with what you say. But when one says "the S6 won because a blind test said so" and others agree about the same sentiment, without even looking at the evidence which, the loss of highlights can be seen, in effect one becomes a tool or shill.
 

Vegastouch

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I agree 100% with what you say. But when one says "the S6 won because a blind test said so" and others agree about the same sentiment, without even looking at the evidence which, the loss of highlights can be seen, in effect one becomes a tool or shill.

Seriously, you care too much about what posters say in the alternative section. You lead this thread with the most posts,lol.
There is nothing that can be said to change your mind or even consider Android so just be happy with what you use and like. I'm sure you will like it better when it does more Androidish things which they are rumored to be Adding with the split screen. Then you will appreciate it .
 

I7guy

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Seriously, you care too much about what posters say in the alternative section. You lead this thread with the most posts,lol.
There is nothing that can be said to change your mind or even consider Android so just be happy with what you use and like. I'm sure you will like it better when it does more Androidish things which they are rumored to be Adding with the split screen. Then you will appreciate it .

Is this thread about getting android converts or discussing opinions and differences between multiple platforms? :)

I really can't switch devices on the fly due to business considerations and have played around with my sons Moto X(2014) and its okay. I wouldn't want that as my daily driver though.

As far as split screen on IOS, I thought that was coming with the iphone 6+, long before this thread was started. :)
 

epicrayban

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I thought force touch required hardware, Im confused. The macrumors news piece made it sound like it was an ios9 feature

Sounds like they'll have to redesign the 6S a tiny bit... or at least underneath the surface introduce new screen tech.

I mean, the 5S added the finger print scanner, right? Or am I remembering the wrong generation..
 

Truefan31

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Sounds like they'll have to redesign the 6S a tiny bit... or at least underneath the surface introduce new screen tech.

I mean, the 5S added the finger print scanner, right? Or am I remembering the wrong generation..


That's correct. If this is true, it's a little bit of Apple doing what they want, not necessarily what we think they'll do. I didn't think they'd do force touch til maybe the 7, as I didn't think they'd do a 5.5 plus.

I wonder if it's true I'm thinking the plus will have some added functionality.
 

Technarchy

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Sounds like they'll have to redesign the 6S a tiny bit... or at least underneath the surface introduce new screen tech.

I mean, the 5S added the finger print scanner, right? Or am I remembering the wrong generation..

Hopefully force touch doesn't eat internal space better reserved for more RAM...and decent camera.
 

epicrayban

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Those two steps would make the iPhone way more viable to me. And 14nm.

For me, it'd be what changes they bring to iOS 9.

For now, the rumors seem to say iOS 9 will be mostly about stability and Home related features. Stability sounds great, but Home stuff doesn't interest me that much. Ultimately, I'm looking for a little more freedom to iOS 9. Would love to see ability to customize a bit more, say with Control Center.

And obviously, what Force Touch features it brings software-wise.
 

Technarchy

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For me, it'd be what changes they bring to iOS 9.

For now, the rumors seem to say iOS 9 will be mostly about stability and Home related features. Stability sounds great, but Home stuff doesn't interest me that much. Ultimately, I'm looking for a little more freedom to iOS 9. Would love to see ability to customize a bit more, say with Control Center.

And obviously, what Force Touch features it brings software-wise.

I'm still looking for features from iOS8 to be properly supported.

Remember extensions? What happened to that?

Stability improvements would be nice, because iOS 8, for the first time, was less stable than android.
 

jamezr

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I'm still looking for features from iOS8 to be properly supported.

Remember extensions? What happened to that?

Stability improvements would be nice, because iOS 8, for the first time, was less stable than android.
Look at the keyboards. Swiftkey still crashes and hangs on my 6+.
 

epicrayban

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I'm still looking for features from iOS8 to be properly supported.

Remember extensions? What happened to that?

Stability improvements would be nice, because iOS 8, for the first time, was less stable than android.


What exactly was extensions supposed to do?
 

Abazigal

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I'm still looking for features from iOS8 to be properly supported.

Remember extensions? What happened to that?

Stability improvements would be nice, because iOS 8, for the first time, was less stable than android.


The onus is on app developers to support extensions. Some were fast, others like whatsapp took their own sweet time while others like Instagram are still MIA.
 

epicrayban

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The onus is on app developers to support extensions. Some were fast, others like whatsapp took their own sweet time while others like Instagram are still MIA.

I agree.

Do you think the onus for properly timed android updates (which is essentially necessary to support new features) on android devices is on OEMS and carriers, and not on google?

I am curious how people feel about this.

Either way, without developers implementing extensions, android has the upper hand in this area. Always have and seems like they will continue to for some time.
 

Abazigal

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I agree.



Do you think the onus for properly timed android updates (which is essentially necessary to support new features) on android devices is on OEMS and carriers, and not on google?



I am curious how people feel about this.



Either way, without developers implementing extensions, android has the upper hand in this area. Always have and seems like they will continue to for some time.


From an end-user perspective, I don't care. I just know that my phone isn't getting the latest OS.

Which is why I feel Apple should reach out to developers and encourage them to adopt newer APIs more quickly. Not just extensions, but also other features like handoff, iCloud Keychain for apps and metal for games. What's the point of releasing so many new APIs when they are underutilized?

I see the pros and cons of making extensions system-wide, as opposed to each developer implementing it individually. With android, no work is required on the developer's part. But for iOS, it can result in very clever and innovative uses of share extensions, like fantastical bringing up a prompt to let you create a new event.

But yes, I agree that android did it better right from day one.
 

epicrayban

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Apple doesnt do half baked?

After three years, apple maps is still half baked:

http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/26/8662409/apple-maps-public-transit-six-cities-only-report
 

epicrayban

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From an end-user perspective, I don't care. I just know that my phone isn't getting the latest OS.

Which is why I feel Apple should reach out to developers and encourage them to adopt newer APIs more quickly. Not just extensions, but also other features like handoff, iCloud Keychain for apps and metal for games. What's the point of releasing so many new APIs when they are underutilized?

I see the pros and cons of making extensions system-wide, as opposed to each developer implementing it individually. With android, no work is required on the developer's part. But for iOS, it can result in very clever and innovative uses of share extensions, like fantastical bringing up a prompt to let you create a new event.

But yes, I agree that android did it better right from day one.

Agree about the updates. Agree about new APIs.

It's frustrating that I can't share to whatever I want on my iPhone. Conversely, it's astonishing that I can share to anything on my s6. And it remembers what I like sharing to best so those that I share to most are always at the top of the list when I hit the share button. Easier, faster, functional, and just a frustrating reminder why some of these freedoms are so sought after on ios.

All the more frustrating when discussing wanting these improvements made (and made more quickly) that we're told apple doesn't need to act because millions of people still buy their phones just fine.

You yourself just said you wish apple would reach out to developers more to encourage implementation of new APIs. I would never for a second argue against this by stating apple sales are doing just fine without apple pushing developers to adopt new and useful APIs. Where does such argument get me (especially in a thread made and meant to discuss areas where apple can catch up)? No where.

Sorry. I ranted there a bit. But hopefully this explains why some of us got so passionate in this thread earlier trying to argue that no one cares nor is disagreeing that apple is doing well.

Like you say, all you know is you're not getting updates.
 

I7guy

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Is any software perfect? There are things I've wanted in windows for years and have to get utilities to compensate for some lack of functionality.

Apple by and large focusses on what it wants and I'm sure some of the nit picky things in this thread will be addressed over time. But they will not turn iOS into android; that is not thier ultimate goal.

Apple maps was a debacle from the last era and its s huge mess that a quick software fix will not cure; it's too big of a 50000 lb gorilla.

They don't get everything right, but certainly get enough right with every release.

It is my sincere belief this thread link should have been forwarded to Tim Cook, I hope the relevant passionate parties already did that.
 
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Abazigal

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Agree about the updates. Agree about new APIs.

It's frustrating that I can't share to whatever I want on my iPhone. Conversely, it's astonishing that I can share to anything on my s6. And it remembers what I like sharing to best so those that I share to most are always at the top of the list when I hit the share button. Easier, faster, functional, and just a frustrating reminder why some of these freedoms are so sought after on ios.

All the more frustrating when discussing wanting these improvements made (and made more quickly) that we're told apple doesn't need to act because millions of people still buy their phones just fine.

You yourself just said you wish apple would reach out to developers more to encourage implementation of new APIs. I would never for a second argue against this by stating apple sales are doing just fine without apple pushing developers to adopt new and useful APIs. Where does such argument get me (especially in a thread made and meant to discuss areas where apple can catch up)? No where.

Sorry. I ranted there a bit. But hopefully this explains why some of us got so passionate in this thread earlier trying to argue that no one cares nor is disagreeing that apple is doing well.

Like you say, all you know is you're not getting updates.

I am a bit tired after a long day's work, so forgive me if this doesn't come out as coherent as it should.

The number one rule of marketing is to know your target market.

It's easy to pull out a laundry list of specs and demand that Apple include those features in their next iPhone. But not all features are demanded equally by the consumers. Some matter more than others, and for Apple at least, their consumer base is pretty much self-selecting at this point. There's a pretty good reason why so many people are on iOS rather than Android, so I don't believe they will be all that tempted by giving the iPhone the same specs as the S6, or opening up iOS to be more like Android, for instance.

On the flip side, people who get a flagship Samsung phone likely do so for the specs as much as Touchwiz, so Samsung has to include the top-of-the-line specs every year to retain its user base. That's why they got a Samsung phone in the first place, to get the largest-numbered spec possible at the time.

For iPhones, I feel Apple is currently at the point where the hardware significantly outpaces the software. So for me at least, I am not so much interested in improvements to the hardware of the iPhone as I am the software aspect. That's why I disagreed with you earlier about hardware features for the iPhone. It's not such much that they are not needed, but more that they don't really need to be Apple's top priority at the moment.

Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against you, I just don't feel that the way forward for the iPhone is to pump specs. I too want Apple products to continue to advance and lead the pack, I guess we just disagree on the best way forward.
 
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