Can Apple close the gap to the S6's hardware?

[epicrayban]

Google Maps, especially for navigation, is so superior to Apple Maps, it's not even funny. I love how seamlessly it offers me a new route depending on traffic and conditions. Accuracy, function, street view, data, searching places, etc. All superior in my experience.

EDIT: And again, posting that article about Apple Maps wasn't necessarily to say that Apple Maps is bad, but more to contest this notion that Apple doesn't do "half baked" as others do. Again, I argue that that's in part due to Apple simply not offering as many features in the first place.

 

[jamezr]

The natural response when talking about cords is that "hey, it's not a big deal dealing with cords. How hard is it to plug it in/out?" Well, no it's not a big deal, and no it's not hard to plug it in, but not having to deal with any of that is a convenient luxury that can spoil you.

It's just one of those things you don't truly get until you try it.

Yep.....I always liken those types of response to this

Who needs LTE? 3G is fast enough.
Who needs a screen larger than 3.5"?
Why would I want to multitask on my phone?
Why would I want a smart watch?
Why use contactless payments when I can just use my wallet?
Typing in a PIN is not hard, who needs a fingerprint scanner?

 

[I7guy]

Yep.....I always liken those types of response to this

Who needs LTE? 3G is fast enough.
Who needs a screen larger than 3.5"?
Why would I want to multitask on my phone?
Why would I want a smart watch?
Why use contactless payments when I can just use my wallet?
Typing in a PIN is not hard, who needs a fingerprint scanner?

Really?

Wireless charging against better speed? That's like arguing against better gas mileage with no decrease in performance.

Screen size is purely subjective as is multi-tasking. Smart watch also(although I just bought the Apple watch).

Touch ID is a time saver. wireless charging for me is not even in the same category. Apple seems to feel the same.

 

[jamezr]

Really?

Wireless charging against better speed? That's like arguing against better gas mileage with no decrease in performance.

Screen size is purely subjective as is multi-tasking. Smart watch also(although I just bought the Apple watch).

Touch ID is a time saver. wireless charging for me is not even in the same category. Apple seems to feel the same.

Yep when Apple adds it as a feature...then you will be singing it's praises!
Then placing your phone down on a wireless pad is such an inconvenience. So much easier to grab a cable and plug it in /s.
Especially at night when you are sleeping....you will really notice the speed difference then huh? Lol
I have a Samsung wireless pad hooked up to a quick charger. It's speeds are almost the same as being connected to the cable. Just more convenient.

 

[I7guy]

Yep when Apple adds it as a feature...then you will be singing it's praises!
Then placing your phone down on a wireless pad is such an inconvenience. So much easier to grab a cable and plug it in /s.
Especially at night when you are sleeping....you will really notice the speed difference then huh? Lol
I have a Samsung wireless pad hooked up to a quick charger. It's speeds are almost the same as being connected to the cable. Just more convenient.

When Apple adds near field wireless charging I will sing its praises, darn right. My use case is different than yours, I charge my phone on my drive to work. I don't want cables or a charging pad near my bed. In addition I have $2 cables in 5 different places in my house. How much is a wireless charger?

 

[jamezr]

When Apple adds near field wireless charging I will sing its praises, darn right. My use case is different than yours, I charge my phone on my drive to work. I don't want cables or a charging pad near my bed. In addition I have $2 cables in 5 different places in my house. How much is a wireless charger?

See the beautiful things about choices and features is everyone has different needs. But disparaging features because you don't use it is foolish and counterproductive.
Oh and those $2 cables are not Apple certified and will have to be replaced more often that the $19 official cables from Apple.
My wireless pad was $30 and can be used for different phones i have. So it is very cost efficient. It works on my N6, S6, N4 and supports both wireless standards out there today.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

How much is a wireless charger?

In my case only $10.10.

 

[epicrayban]

See the beautiful things about choices and features is everyone has different needs. But disparaging features because you don't use it is foolish and counterproductive.
Oh and those $2 cables are not Apple certified and will have to be replaced more often that the $19 official cables from Apple.
My wireless pad was $30 and can be used for different phones i have. So it is very cost efficient. It works on my N6, S6, N4 and supports both wireless standards out there today.

Wasting your breath.

i7guy literally will not know or appreciate or understand any value to any feature until Apple does it. No point in attempting to convince him of anything. Let Apple do it.

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In my case only $10.10.

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My wireless charging stand was 25 bucks.

Given the prices people pay for Apple peripherals and accessories, 25 bucks isn't that bad at all. And as Jamerz said, it's usable with other devices.

 

[I7guy]

Wasting your breath.

i7guy literally will not know or appreciate or understand any value to any feature until Apple does it. No point in attempting to convince him of anything. Let Apple do it.

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My wireless charging stand was 25 bucks.

Given the prices people pay for Apple peripherals and accessories, 25 bucks isn't that bad at all. And as Jamerz said, it's usable with other devices.

Epic: It's all good. Whatever methods these vendors decide to add hardware and software features, I'm sure they have a well-defined process for doing that.

 

[skratch77]

I hope samsung puts this in the note 5...Apple has some major comp coming for the iPhone 6s and 7.

2200 single core performance and up to 16 gpu cores.

The gs7 or note 5 are going to be insanly fast chips
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/report-samsung-to-snub-cortex-a72-for-custom-mongoose-processor

 

[Abazigal]

Yep.....I always liken those types of response to this

Who needs LTE? 3G is fast enough.
Who needs a screen larger than 3.5"?
Why would I want to multitask on my phone?
Why would I want a smart watch?
Why use contactless payments when I can just use my wallet?
Typing in a PIN is not hard, who needs a fingerprint scanner?

To me, it's not that people don't want those, but the early answers to them just plain sucked. Apple wasn't the first with a fingerprint scanner, but theirs was undeniably the most refined. NFC payments have been on Android devices for years, but the OEMs never did the legwork Apple is doing now to get merchants and banks on board. The pebble arguably was the first modern smartwatch, but it's starting to look quite antiquated compared to Apple Watch and Android Wear. My country didn't have 4g until the launch of the iPhone 5. If anything, they coincided the launch of their 4g networks with the iPhone 5!

Yes, the technology was there long before Apple implemented it, but Apple also goes the extra mile and provide that full integrated experience for its users. Compared to other OEMs who throw the tech out there, wash their hands off the user and expect it to somehow just work magically on its own. That's what consumers appreciate more - tech just working and them not having to bother with the back end stuff.

 

[jamezr]

Yes, the technology was there long before Apple implemented it, but Apple also goes the extra mile and provide that full integrated experience for its users. Compared to other OEMs who throw the tech out there, wash their hands off the user and expect it to somehow just work magically on its own. That's what consumers appreciate more - tech just working and them not having to bother with the back end stuff.

Like widgets? Like app extensions? Like app communication sharing? Like maps?

 

[gotluck]

Wait, where did you find $2 lightning cables? And they work?

 

[jamezr]

Can Apple close the gap to the S6's hardware?

Wait, where did you find $2 lightning cables? And they work?

You can find them on Amazon. But they quit working within a couple of months. Then the end has to be facing a certain way for it to be recognized by the phone. Flip the plug end around and it will work. You get what you pay for.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

To me, it's not that people don't want those, but the early answers to them just plain sucked. Apple wasn't the first with a fingerprint scanner, but theirs was undeniably the most refined. NFC payments have been on Android devices for years, but the OEMs never did the legwork Apple is doing now to get merchants and banks on board. The pebble arguably was the first modern smartwatch, but it's starting to look quite antiquated compared to Apple Watch and Android Wear. My country didn't have 4g until the launch of the iPhone 5. If anything, they coincided the launch of their 4g networks with the iPhone 5!

Yes, the technology was there long before Apple implemented it, but Apple also goes the extra mile and provide that full integrated experience for its users. Compared to other OEMs who throw the tech out there, wash their hands off the user and expect it to somehow just work magically on its own. That's what consumers appreciate more - tech just working and them not having to bother with the back end stuff.

I agree, but that momentum of Apple refining what already existed and using it's brand to make it popular is slowing down at a fast rate every cycle.

The momentum is shifting at other manufactures that are refining that "back end stuff"(as you put it) into very ease of use. It's coming to the point where consumers are starting to realize the choice of "restricted ease of use that works" vs "highly customizable ease of use that works". Making Android seem like rocket science, those days are long gone.

 

[I7guy]

Wait, where did you find $2 lightning cables? And they work?

Monoprice. The website has a lot of stuff. If you catch them right you can get a good deal. Maybe not $2 but not that much more expensive.

 

[I7guy]

I agree, but that momentum of Apple refining what already existed and using it's brand to make it popular is slowing down at a fast rate every cycle.

The momentum is shifting at other manufactures that are refining that "back end stuff"(as you put it) into very ease of use. It's coming to the point where consumers are starting to realize the choice of "restricted ease of use that works" vs "highly customizable ease of use that works". Making Android seem like rocket science, those days are long gone.

That's a straw man argument you just put forth (as no one could possibly know what all consumers want/thing).

Although I agree consumers are getting smarter (read: more educated), there are those who like "restricted ease of use that works" very much. Like me, my family, friends. I got that from you vantage point, this is what you see, from my point of view I have a different take.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

That's a straw man argument you just put forth (as no one could possibly know what all consumers want/thing).

First .... Look up the definition of straw man argument.

Second .... I never stated knowing what all consumers want. Ease of use is not a something that solely belongs to iOS devices anymore. So ease of use is basically a dead issue of comparison, now you're left with restricted vs open/customizable. I don't see how you took my statement any differ.

Although I agree consumers are getting smarter (read: more educated), there are those who like "restricted ease of use that works" very much. Like me, my family, friends. I got that from you vantage point, this is what you see, from my point of view I have a different take.

Again, I was speaking on ease of use. Not whether consumers are getting smarter(although they are). So instead, you should just state you like restricted vs open/customizable, cause any consumer that finds KitKat or Lollipop hard to use, will probably have just as much of a headache on iOS.

And from experience in helping others, I've found consumers have a better chance at trouble shooting their own issues on Android, and a much harder time doing so on iOS devices. iOS's strict uniformity makes it harder for non tech savvy people to trouble shoot. It even throws me some hard pitches every now and then.

 

[C DM]

Like widgets? Like app extensions? Like app communication sharing? Like maps?

All of those work.

 

[jamezr]

All of those work.

do they? The poster I was replying to said Apple never released anything that was half baked. They always was slow to release products because made sure they would work right when released. Everyone knows they have had issues with new products. Every company does.

 

[I7guy]

First .... Look up the definition of straw man argument.

Second .... I never stated knowing what all consumers want. Ease of use is not a something that solely belongs to iOS devices anymore. So ease of use is basically a dead issue of comparison, now you're left with restricted vs open/customizable. I don't see how you took my statement any differ.



Again, I was speaking on ease of use. Not whether consumers are getting smarter(although they are). So instead, you should just state you like restricted vs open/customizable, cause any consumer that finds KitKat or Lollipop hard to use, will probably have just as much of a headache on iOS.

And from experience in helping others, I've found consumers have a better chance at trouble shooting their own issues on Android, and a much harder time doing so on iOS devices. iOS's strict uniformity makes it harder for non tech savvy people to trouble shoot. It even throws me some hard pitches every now and then.

There is a street definition of straw-man that everybody accepts.

As far as the rest of your post I'll accept your opinion without rebuttal. (Meaning I don't agree with a lot of it; however I do agree software problems on all platforms are tough to troubleshoot)

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do they? The poster I was replying to said Apple never released anything that was half baked. They always was slow to release products because made sure they would work right when released. Everyone knows they have had issues with new products. Every company does.

I don't know I'm using widgets and maps and they both work. Yes forstall is a Broadway producer for a reason but they dont release half/baked ideas.

 

[jamezr]

I don't know I'm using widgets and maps and they both work. Yes forstall is a Broadway producer for a reason but they dont release half/baked ideas.

Widgets are still half baked on IOS and maps is better now but not when it was released. It was horrible and panned by everyone.

 

[epicrayban]

The "hey Siri" feature is half baked too. Can only use it when you're plugged in in a car. Kind of lame. Kind of half baked.

OK Google can be used in far more places and unplugged from a car. And in certain cases like the Moto X it can be used anywhere at anytime even with the phone off. You can also customize the launch word.

And if you want to argue that the hey Siri feature is like that for battery purposes, I say then that maybe specs do matter.

 

[jamezr]

The "hey Siri" feature is half baked too. Can only use it when you're plugged in in a car. Kind of lame. Kind of half baked.

OK Google can be used in far more places and unplugged from a car. And in certain cases like the Moto X it can be used anywhere at anytime even with the phone off. You can also customize the launch word.

And if you want to argue that the hey Siri feature is like that for battery purposes, I say then that maybe specs do matter.

Exactly......I7guy is on raft on the river of denial.

 

[Technarchy]

Exactly......I7guy is on raft on the river of denial.

I don't know if it is denial, but it's important for iPhone users to have some context when speaking on recent times.

I have an Apple bias, but that bias wont make me settle for an inferior product like the iPhone 6. I look forward to the 6S, but the gap Apple enjoyed between the iPhone and android/everyone else between iPhone 1 - 5S, is now gone.

My S6 has performance and specs for days, and unlike yesteryear, the iPhone iOS experience is way down, and the Samsung experience is way up; the iPhone 6 is completely mediocre on features, hardware, and specs.

This is a problem for me, and I personally won't reward Apple with buying mediocre products. I like the iPad, I have a MacBook upgrade planned, and I think the Apple Watch is stunning, but the iPhone 6 doesn't have the magic anymore. Especially not compared to the Galaxy S6.