The 2018 MBP15 is a surprisingly light 4.02lb / 1.83kg. That's a fair bit less than the 4.8lb / 2.2kg of the MBP16 Max. I expect your bag and the other contents weigh more than 0.8lbs combined though
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Can't Decide Between 14" and 16"
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The 2018 MBP15 is a surprisingly light 4.02lb / 1.83kg. That's a fair bit less than the 4.8lb / 2.2kg of the MBP16 Max. I expect your bag and the other contents weigh more than 0.8lbs combined though
I am coming from a 2012 MBP 15inch, pre-retina I believe it is. Fantastic computer that still works flawlessly even today.
It is getting dated though, and the screens of these last macbooks that could be customized by the user after purchase are rather bad compared to todays standard.
That being said, I thought the 14" would be the sweet spot for me, as I imagined it'd only be slightly smaller than my current 15" (which is actually 15.4) but boy was i wrong. The thing is tiny compared to it.
80% of my use-case is video/photo editing at a desk/table, so the screen real-estate should have been a no-brainer for me, but for some reason the 14" looked "sexier" on photos, more proportional, if you will.
I did end up ordering the 14", but after having played around with these in the stores a bit after launch, I have changed my mind and I am going with the 16".
It is equal in size, and actually weighs less than my old mbp.
Im not a large chap by any standards, but this thing fits snugly in my lap when I use it on the couch.
When it comes to hooking it up to external monitors, I have tried the M1 Mac Mini for that purpose, but i ended up returning it, as I didnt like the way it felt. I also felt I lost some of the "Apple Magic" when I used 3rd party hardware hooked up to it as well. Don't know why, but hey!
As for specs, I'm being sensible and going for the un-binned M1 Pro with 10 CPU cores, 1TB storage and 16GB Ram. I doubt I'll need more than that in this machines lifetime.
It is getting dated though, and the screens of these last macbooks that could be customized by the user after purchase are rather bad compared to todays standard.
That being said, I thought the 14" would be the sweet spot for me, as I imagined it'd only be slightly smaller than my current 15" (which is actually 15.4) but boy was i wrong. The thing is tiny compared to it.
80% of my use-case is video/photo editing at a desk/table, so the screen real-estate should have been a no-brainer for me, but for some reason the 14" looked "sexier" on photos, more proportional, if you will.
I did end up ordering the 14", but after having played around with these in the stores a bit after launch, I have changed my mind and I am going with the 16".
It is equal in size, and actually weighs less than my old mbp.
Im not a large chap by any standards, but this thing fits snugly in my lap when I use it on the couch.
When it comes to hooking it up to external monitors, I have tried the M1 Mac Mini for that purpose, but i ended up returning it, as I didnt like the way it felt. I also felt I lost some of the "Apple Magic" when I used 3rd party hardware hooked up to it as well. Don't know why, but hey!
As for specs, I'm being sensible and going for the un-binned M1 Pro with 10 CPU cores, 1TB storage and 16GB Ram. I doubt I'll need more than that in this machines lifetime.
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That's an interesting observation. What do you mean by "the way it felt"? Considering the only part of the Mini that you really "feel" is the OS, I don't know exactly what you mean...
I have an M1 Mini with Apple Bluetooth keyboard and Trackpad, and think it "feels" great! It's connected to 2 Dell Ultra-fine screens (a 1080p and Quad-HD). It's a super responsive computer that punches well above its weight. On balance I would say it feels considerably faster than my $4000 MBP16, and is without doubt the best bang-for-buck computer that I've ever bought.
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I bought it to use as my main editing rig, going from the 2012 MBP (as it's plenty powerful for my final cut usage), and I hooked it up to my PC monitors with their alternative outputs.
I also hooked it up via bluetooth to my Razer Leviathan (soundbar, not 100% on the name) and I experienced massive lag in audio playback while editing on that thing. Audio jack is already occupied by PC, hence why the bluetooth.
My monitor setup is 1 vertical 1 horizontal, but for some reason MacOS just would not remember this setting, and I had to keep manually adjusting monitor to 270 degree rotation for it to show correctly. Became annoying after a few months.
I use apple magic touchpad and keyboard, so no issue there, although bluetooth connecting it to my PC and my Mac didnt work flawlessly as I had to plug it in to my mac after using it on the PC for it to connect. When I switched back to PC, I had to remove the keyboard from the bluetooth list and pair it again.
Just "non-seamless" stuff like this that made it more of a hassle than a joy to use.
The final straw was when I edited a video on a tight time-schedule, and Final Cut crashed and sound files (effects) stopped showing wav-forms and playing audio when placing them in Final Cut, even though they worked in Finder.
I then returned it and finished editing on my MBP 2012, which always just works.
That's what I want from apple, flip the screen and everything just works. This setup just didnt work for me. I'm sure other people enjoy it with great success, and thats superb for them. It just did not work for me.
Back story: My first computer was an Apple IIgs in 6th grade (12 inch CRT with 4096 colors, take that pro motion!) then years of PCs until about 2011 when I had a succession of 15 inch macbook pros, including some touch bar models until 2019. I am a one person IT department inside a company, so I have to do everything from support, to coding, to video editing and photoshop, VMs, you name it. I also get the “new” laptop sometimes when an employee needs an upgrade, i pass my current one down to them.
In November 2020 I had surgery and then was one of those 0.01% chance statistics with a life threatening complication that left me in recovering in bed for 2 months and unable to lift anything. The day after the surgery also happened to be launch day of the M1 so my wife kindly went to the Apple Store for me and grabbed a launch day 13 M1 / 16gb / 1tb. I literally was in bed with that computer for 2 months and I missed the 15/16 screen size but that started to slowly wane, especially as I started to gently move around again. At the office, when I was able to go in, I have an LG Ultrafine 4k 23.7.
For 2021, we had a new employee start about a month ago so I gave her my 13 M1 and worked on a mac mini m1 / iPad pro combo for a month knowing what was coming. I ordered a 16 max and received it on launch day because in my head I was like “remember how you missed the larger screen size?” and like many others my reaction was holy crap this thing is fast but oh no, it’s “too big and heavy.”
So, off to the Apple Store I went and after strategically checking the online stock checkers got literally the 2nd to last, in either color, available 14max model available in all of the entire NYC metro area stores. I am SO happy with the perfect combination of screen size, weight and portability. To compensate for the price differential on the in-store upgraded 14 (Max 32/64gb/2tb) I traded in a bunch of old iPhones around the office not used anymore which more than made up the difference.
For me, physically, holding the 16 in one hand, in the open position to move it somewhere while holding something else say a coffee actually hurts while the 14 does not. While jumping around the office for meetings, the 14 is ideal, for travel the 14 is ideal and the speed of this thing is just insane. When at my desk, it charges quickly and maintains 100% charge on the LG Ultrafine 4k which outputs 85w. Remembering back to that dark void of PC years, I mostly used 14 inch IBM thinkpads and I always thought 14 seemed like the perfect size, so i’m back!
In November 2020 I had surgery and then was one of those 0.01% chance statistics with a life threatening complication that left me in recovering in bed for 2 months and unable to lift anything. The day after the surgery also happened to be launch day of the M1 so my wife kindly went to the Apple Store for me and grabbed a launch day 13 M1 / 16gb / 1tb. I literally was in bed with that computer for 2 months and I missed the 15/16 screen size but that started to slowly wane, especially as I started to gently move around again. At the office, when I was able to go in, I have an LG Ultrafine 4k 23.7.
For 2021, we had a new employee start about a month ago so I gave her my 13 M1 and worked on a mac mini m1 / iPad pro combo for a month knowing what was coming. I ordered a 16 max and received it on launch day because in my head I was like “remember how you missed the larger screen size?” and like many others my reaction was holy crap this thing is fast but oh no, it’s “too big and heavy.”
So, off to the Apple Store I went and after strategically checking the online stock checkers got literally the 2nd to last, in either color, available 14max model available in all of the entire NYC metro area stores. I am SO happy with the perfect combination of screen size, weight and portability. To compensate for the price differential on the in-store upgraded 14 (Max 32/64gb/2tb) I traded in a bunch of old iPhones around the office not used anymore which more than made up the difference.
For me, physically, holding the 16 in one hand, in the open position to move it somewhere while holding something else say a coffee actually hurts while the 14 does not. While jumping around the office for meetings, the 14 is ideal, for travel the 14 is ideal and the speed of this thing is just insane. When at my desk, it charges quickly and maintains 100% charge on the LG Ultrafine 4k which outputs 85w. Remembering back to that dark void of PC years, I mostly used 14 inch IBM thinkpads and I always thought 14 seemed like the perfect size, so i’m back!
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Base 16 1tb model. I have speccd up a few in the past but honestly I don’t think I’ve ever put them through their paces enough to justify and I figure with how strong the original M1 is this will be just fineWhat config did you end up with? Seeing some dribbling into stores.
Going from 2019 16" to 14". After setting my applications up and moving data over, I'm 100% keeping it. Keyboard, screen, total portability, and battery life are all much improved. Escaping some odd GPU issues w/ the 2019 was the real driver for testing the waters with this upgrade. Overall, satisfied.
To be critical, I have to say - I'm surprised the thickness of the 14" and overall shape of the laptop along with the feet when attempting to slip it into a Waterford bag. Guess I was liking the rounded edges and trend of the retina years more than I realized. This 14" doesn't feel as luxurious to me this round -- however, it's hefty and will probably hold up better than the products before it.
To be critical, I have to say - I'm surprised the thickness of the 14" and overall shape of the laptop along with the feet when attempting to slip it into a Waterford bag. Guess I was liking the rounded edges and trend of the retina years more than I realized. This 14" doesn't feel as luxurious to me this round -- however, it's hefty and will probably hold up better than the products before it.
Beat me too it! Anyways, great video as always. Credit to these brothers. Well, don't know about you guys, but I am Ecstatic I chose the new 16". I'm upgrading my 2019 16 to the 2021 16.
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The 2018 MBP15 is a surprisingly light 4.02lb / 1.83kg. That's a fair bit less than the 4.8lb / 2.2kg of the MBP16 Max. I expect your bag and the other contents weigh more than 0.8lbs combined though
Yeah, not sure what the exac6 weight of all the stuff is. The new 16 just feels like filled with lead or something, completely intractable to carry in one hand, unlike the 15 inch.
Coming from a 2015 13”mbp to a 2019 16 mpb. With 14 and only 200 difference I feel like I’m not getting a good value. I’m used to 16 and so not really affected by weight or portable issues.
Plus apple seems to value a 16 at 1.5x the 14. Why would apple care be 149 a year for 16 and just 99 a year for 14 when there’s only a 200 difference in price?
I could see getting a 14 if the price difference was on par with the AppleCare difference.
If you spec both these up to max, 64gb, and 2 tb, then the 14 is 4099 while the 16 is 4299. I say this because that’s the 14 that was available for me. It’s not a keeper for me given I’d much rather have that 16 instead. If that 14 was around 3-3.2k it could be a different story.
Whatever the case the 14 goes back and undecided on what 16 I want. At this point it’s probably whatever pops up and I’ll just check stock periodically.
Plus apple seems to value a 16 at 1.5x the 14. Why would apple care be 149 a year for 16 and just 99 a year for 14 when there’s only a 200 difference in price?
I could see getting a 14 if the price difference was on par with the AppleCare difference.
If you spec both these up to max, 64gb, and 2 tb, then the 14 is 4099 while the 16 is 4299. I say this because that’s the 14 that was available for me. It’s not a keeper for me given I’d much rather have that 16 instead. If that 14 was around 3-3.2k it could be a different story.
Whatever the case the 14 goes back and undecided on what 16 I want. At this point it’s probably whatever pops up and I’ll just check stock periodically.
It doesn't do everything I need it to. The processor can handle the sessions, but the lack of ports makes it impossible to use, other than for editing. I tried two different hubs, but You just can't get past the limitations of the 2 t-bolt I was confused as to why Apple put sufficient ports on the mini, but not the MacBook Pro. I need to connect an audio interface, which needs a dedicated T-port. Magsafe acts as a failsafe. If power runs down, I do not need to disconnect anything. Hubs advertise pass through power, but using the Air, I was compromised. Hubs are a compromise in terms of heat, power draw and bus speed. I need one of the t-ports for iLok. And one more for UAD Processing. If I choose to record without UAD going in, I can use the third t-bolt for midi interfaces. That leaves an SD card for my camera, but also to store samples. I used my 17" for years. Very satisfied. One ethernet, firewire 800, one T-2, and three usb-2's, not to mention an express card which was adaptable. To go from that flexibility to two t-bolts, with one needed for charging? The M1 Air is an incredible machine. Put the same chip in a 15" laptop, with the same ports as the Mini, and I would have purchased. 13" just doesn't cut it. !5" would have been a compromise. Interesting thing is that I just saw a thermal comparison between the 14" and the 16". And as you'd expect, the 14" runs hotter with increased fan noise.
As more info comes out, there is a clear choice. 14” does NOT suffer performance drops. If you need ease of portability, definitely go with the 14”. You will NOT see a performance drop. However, you WILL experience increased heat, fan noise, and less battery life. Consider the fact that it will still far exceed the Intel variants.
On the other hand, if heat, fan noise and battery life are more important issues than ease of portability; then hands down; the 16” is the choice. And keep in mind, the 16” is nearly two pounds lighter than the 17” i7, and has virtually the same dimensions as the 2014 15”.
One more thing to note. The SSD on the 16” is faster.
Check out this comparison.
14” and 16” unbinned M1Pro.
Same here. I went back-and-forth and ordered a 16 first then canceled, than ordered the 14“ , than canceled again and went back to a 16 inch. Well this has been a roller coaster ride for me but I’m glad I purchase the 16”
I put this review on another post. Comparing the 14” and 16” unbinned M1Pro, the 16” runs much cooler, quieter, and with significantly more battery life. Mine comes Monday!!
32gb ram. 2tb SSD.
yes it does, slightly, of course you can fit more on the 16 screen and its larger.
yeah I feel the same sure its heavier but only by a point or so.... not that noticeable! and clearly worth what you get!