They'll probably justify the soldered hard drive by saying it saves on battery life and size of the desktop. If I were Phil Schiller I would just make progressively more and more outlandish claims to see if Apple fanboys would be okay with it.
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They'll probably justify the soldered hard drive by saying it saves on battery life and size of the desktop. If I were Phil Schiller I would just make progressively more and more outlandish claims to see if Apple fanboys would be okay with it.
First it was Intel, then Polaris, then Polaris Pro variations, now it's 490 or Vega...
Face it: Nothing is holding up a nnMP except Apple. Anyone who proclaims that Apple has been just dying to get a nnMP out the door for the last few years but is a serial victim of Intel's or AMD's delays is engaging in wishful thinking or worse.
Face it: Nothing is holding up a nnMP except Apple. Anyone who proclaims that Apple has been just dying to get a nnMP out the door for the last few years but is a serial victim of Intel's or AMD's delays is engaging in wishful thinking or worse.
Truth is, we will never know, as we don't know what the design and engineering process is at Apple, or how long that takes.
That said, the wait is frustrating
I do agree, hence the need for a clever solution from Apple in that regard.
I would like to underline that Microsoft is allegedly already working on something similar and has recently announced they are porting their major applications to ARM
Anyways, I am just writing what I believe will happen future-trend wise, not technology-wise.
We do know that Apple has skipped multiple generations of component options so far. Maybe they are just behind the curve and it takes them a year to adopt something new (huh, that never used to happen - they often were out first with a new processor, etc). But otherwise, the wait does not appear to me to be due to AMD, etc.
Until 490 is officially revealed, it's just vaporwear, and we don't know what it is, if anything. Get real: Wccftech, etc., are just click-bait echo-chamber rumor-mongers (in my oh-so humble opinion).
Regardless, we have no idea what may wind up in a nnMP, and especially no idea whether a nnMP will ever surface, nor if a nnMP is on hold until X, Y or Z shows up. I've argued that Apple could have updated it quite a while ago anyway.
Because they are still working out the details of their new pyramidal Mac Pro case, the Mac Pro Sun God Ives Edition.
The G5/Mac Pro was the best Apple computer ever made, imo. Aesthetically pleasing, functional, expandable, and considering the prices of all computers at the time, a good bang for the buck. An equivalent does not exist anymore. Even if the Mac Pro's were current, not everyone needs dual freakin' GPU's. One of those would be more than enough for most people.
How about extra drive space? How about PCI slots for whatever I decide to install? The trash can Mac Pro was the beginning of the end imo.
How about extra drive space? How about PCI slots for whatever I decide to install? The trash can Mac Pro was the beginning of the end imo.
Innovate my ... is j
I truly appreciate your comment here. There is absolutely nothing innovative about a wind tunnel type of cooling since it has been done inside computers for years to help cool CPU and GPU. Using all proprietary on the inside didn't help either and exactly how much real estate is saved when you start having to add on the outside of the computer?
Given Apple's appeal, they could have built a relatively expensive computer that does what it is supposed to do and has that Apple prestige. There was a want, a need and desire by customer base to buy and they were thanked with a ridiculous piece of hardware that would become outdated very quickly.
I find it strangely eerie when I see HP put out a simple ad that looks like one could voice over it and say Apple Mac Pro. I applaud HP for their product and scratch my head why it took a company associated with Windows to do the unthinkable - make a computer that is closer to a Mac Pro than Apple's pathetic offering. We might as well throw in Microsoft's and HP's counters to the iMacs that are more versatile providing both "iMac" traditional use and then quite a bit more given that the screen's can be adjusted in position and of course, for some there is the touch screen / stylus capability (akin to Cintiq).
Bottom line - inspired designs that are useful, easy on the eyes and forward thinking one needs to look elsewhere these days.
I truly appreciate your comment here. There is absolutely nothing innovative about a wind tunnel type of cooling since it has been done inside computers for years to help cool CPU and GPU. Using all proprietary on the inside didn't help either and exactly how much real estate is saved when you start having to add on the outside of the computer?
Given Apple's appeal, they could have built a relatively expensive computer that does what it is supposed to do and has that Apple prestige. There was a want, a need and desire by customer base to buy and they were thanked with a ridiculous piece of hardware that would become outdated very quickly.
I find it strangely eerie when I see HP put out a simple ad that looks like one could voice over it and say Apple Mac Pro. I applaud HP for their product and scratch my head why it took a company associated with Windows to do the unthinkable - make a computer that is closer to a Mac Pro than Apple's pathetic offering. We might as well throw in Microsoft's and HP's counters to the iMacs that are more versatile providing both "iMac" traditional use and then quite a bit more given that the screen's can be adjusted in position and of course, for some there is the touch screen / stylus capability (akin to Cintiq).
Bottom line - inspired designs that are useful, easy on the eyes and forward thinking one needs to look elsewhere these days.
The RX 490 doesn't exist. Some rumors say it will be vega if it comes out - source: Hothardware
So you could be right, could be wrong.
I also said the holdup was Vega. Vega was delayed and didn't ship in November. I can't control the weather, or the ship date of Vega.
I said the 2013 nMP would likely get GPU upgrades.
On what I've said: If Apple releases another Mac Pro, you're the one who looks wrong. I feel pretty good about that. Vega is appearing in macOS drivers. The Mac Pro is the only Mac that makes sense for Vega. At this point, I look pretty good.
I've been saying that Vega was the holdup for a while, and that Apple was likely the one pushing it's development. Suddenly last week you have another blog saying that Vega was going to show up in a new Mac Pro as one of the first platforms. So far I seem to know what I'm talking about way more than you do.
I don't have any direct knowledge that Apple was the one pushing for faster Vega development, but after Polaris going so badly, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happened.
I'll also still stand by November being the timeframe Apple was aiming for.
The 480 is basically a budget card. It is better than the D700, but it gets beaten by the 1070 and 1080. The 480 also doesn't meet the thermal requirements for the Mac Pro, which means more down clocking. As I've said elsewhere, if Apple released a Mac Pro with Polaris on the high end, nobody would buy it anyway and there would be another around of complaining.
It still seems to me that AMD promised Apple that Vega would ship closer to Polaris, it isn't, and everything is slipping. That's the perils of Apple going with a single GPU vendor.
Most of what's going on here is without Nvidia as a vendor, Apple is chained to AMD's release schedules and products.
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I see what you mean, and I do understand the frustration.
Yet, I still strongly believe we know nothing about what Apple's technology long-term vision, components strategy or marketing strategy.
Hence the difficulty to predict a release of the 7.1 MP.
I'm in complete agreement. I'm not holding out hope for 490 or Vega or anything else as a gating precursor to a nnMP. It will happen, or not, at Apple's pleasure. I would, however, guess that the nMP will either be refreshed or retired at the same time as the iMac is refreshed (I do think that the latter, at least, will stick around a while longer).
I don't know when vega's being released, I don't know if Apple's releasing a nMP, what I do know?
Seems to me that even if the 480 couldn't be downclocked or NVidia 1080 couldn't be jerry-rigged in there, SOMETHING could be put in there better than a freaking video card released in 2011 (7970) in a >1000 day period.
As far as "who looks good" I never made any predictions other than based on the above, I think it's unlikely they'd release a new iteration in the same form-factor. I'd guess a new product in this class rather than a new cylinder. I could be wrong, but I will point out you've been wrong on all this stuff so far.
Yeah, best then to not upgrade their computer in 1000 days, much less complaining with that :X
They could just downclock the 480 and call it a D1000, like they did with the R9 280 (7970) and the D700. People were fawning all over it at the time.
Yes, either that or they're still offloading their massive inventory of nMP's and it's taken years as they are old and overpriced, after which they'll drop the product line.
I don't have any special knowledge, this is just getting ridiculous and everyone saying otherwise has been wrong so far.
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I'm of two minds. On one hand, I think there's a fair chance that they will still bump it, simply because it's not that hard for them, and killing it (and the mini) will send a terrible message that the Mac as a whole is on the way out. So, maybe a desktop reveal is in store for 1st half next year.
On the other hand, enormous damage has been done. By now, few will trust that an updated machine would mean much more than another death watch over the next 3-4 years.
(I have ceased waiting.)
In the first place, Apple has to bring good freaking software, without any freakin' bugs!
(I also have ceased waiting).
I am pretty confident they will release a new product. They still have a very large user base using Logic / Final Cut
Sure, you can use them with other consumer macs, and sure iPhone's market is way way bigger, but it makes no sense to throw this pro market in the garbage.
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In the first place, Apple has to bring good freaking software, without any freakin' bugs!
(I also have ceased waiting).
Can you give an example of the bugs you are experiencing?
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Exactly, that's what I mean.
And who thinks Apple is just looking at this from the distance is just in denial.
I have no issues with the nMP as a product. It looks nice (imo), performs well, and has reasonable speed today, despite its limitations. It fits in with the other Mac products, and offers a robust upgrade path for Mac mini users, or MBP customers.
Problem is, it's a little brother to a device that apple doesn't currently sell, a modern equivalent to the cMP. Like the Cube was to the Powermac, the nMP would be a great little brother to a true Mac tower. It's too bad Apple doesn't see it that way.
Problem is, it's a little brother to a device that apple doesn't currently sell, a modern equivalent to the cMP. Like the Cube was to the Powermac, the nMP would be a great little brother to a true Mac tower. It's too bad Apple doesn't see it that way.
Even if there's a holdup, nothing justifies the fact that Apple is selling the damn thing at same price they were selling it THREE YEARS ago. Even if they didn't make a small bump to processors and BTO options, they should've at least cut the price a bit.
Z has been for a respectful amount of time around...nowadays it's better than ever...
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Oh, just look at the tbMBP and their longterm vision and their strategies are obvious.
Solder and glue and seal.
If we ever see a nnMP it will be following this route, and it will be worst than the the 6,1 in terms of upgradeability.
To our great dissapointment...