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VirtualRain

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Just curious, how do you manage with text so small? I'd need one of those magnifiers on an adjustable arm!

Ha... yeah, it is a bit tiny. I normally use my display at a scaled resolution, except when I'm editing photos. When I'm editing, the size is small but it's not like I'm reading a book so the added real-estate is really valuable. The awesome thing is that when you zoom to 100% on a 20+ mega-pixel photo, you're almost already there at fit to window :). Besides, I'm rarely looking at the controls and usually focused on the image.
 

VirtualRain

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If you're like me with Aperture, you relied on NIK and PTLens to get through a post session. It goes without saying that most RAW converters can eliminate the need for PTLens with built in lens correction... but I always thought I would need NIK to get the most dynamic range from my shots.

It's no secret that Aperture's shadow and highlight sliders are lacking. In fact, I would describe them as largely unusable. The shadow slider tends to drag not only the shadows but the blackest blacks into the mid tones which results in horrible contrast. The highlight slider's effect on extracting data from what looks like blown highlights (but actually contain a lot of data) is very limited.

So I relied on NIK. NIK Viveza in particular. I could drop a few control points on the sky to darken and saturate it, while dropping a few more on buildings or the foreground to increase structure and add contrast. It was a dream.

While it's probably a bit too early to say goodbye to NIK completely, I'm definitely coming to the conclusion that I may not need it any more with Capture One Pro. Something I thought I would never say.

Here's an example of an image I shot in Paris recently (the facade of the Pantheon). It's got extensive dynamic range with what looks like blown highlights in the clouds and dark shadows in both the foreground and in the details of the facade. If all you had to work with, was Aperture, you'd probably bin this photo, because the adjustments you've got to work with aren't going to provide you with a satisfying result.



Now here's the image as it came out of NIK Viveza. As I mentioned, I dropped a couple of control points in the sky to control the highlights and saturate the blue, and added a few more on the facade of the building to brighten it up, add a bit of warmth and add some much needed structure. It's much better, but I may have actually overdone it a bit on the structure (the bas relief in the apex looks over-processed).



Now, here's the same image, I just edited this evening in Capture One Pro. It looks pretty much the same, but without a round-trip edit. I'm sure one could spend time making them look identical in both tools, but that's pointless... the fact is you could get the same result from either tool... and not having to do a round-trip, create a TIFF, and end up with destructive edits to that TIFF you can't tweak without starting over, is huge!




Here's what it took in C1 to get this result...

First off, I could almost call it a day after simply adjusting the shadows, highlights, and clarity sliders. They are amazing compared to what I'm use to with Aperture. The shadow slider leaves the darkest blacks alone and only shifts the shadows so as not to kill overall contrast. The highlight slider recovered an amazing amount of highlights and I could have gone further.

When I was done with highlights and shadows (and dialing in some clarity and structure), the building looked good - it was done.

All I wanted to do next was increase the saturation of the sky. Now, I could have used the color control to saturate all blue tones, and I tried that, but as you would expect, that boosted the blue jeans on the people in the foreground making them look unnatural, so instead, I painted in the sky using my new Wacom tablet/stylus which only took a few seconds with the smart edge detection of the brush. I could then use the color control on just that area or the global saturation which would apply to just that area. It was just liking having a NIK control point covering the sky but with even more flexibility.

The only thing left was the people at the bottom... lifting the shadows to reveal details in the facade had made them a bit too washed-out for my liking so I just painted on a crude slight opacity mask to the lower portion of the image and adjusted contrast and exposure to taste.

I then got carried away and painted a mask on the copper thing on the pedestal to adjust that to suit. Overall, it took me longer than playing with NIK, largely because I'm new to C1 and this Wacom tablet, but it's a rocking way to do local adjustments.

I may be done with NIK. That's huge!

ps. I forgot to mention the keystone correction. In the original shot, the building facade is leaning back due to perspective and it doesn't look like I corrected my final output in Aperture with PTLens. The sad thing is, you can't tell if you've round-tripped to PTLens or not. However, I did correct the perspective with the keystone tool in C1 which is as simple as applying a couple of vertical lines to what should be vertical lines in the photo and letting it do the correction. Much better than PTLens (and I'm sure equivalent to every other modern RAW editor out there).

The more I use Capture One, the more I feel like a fool for clinging on to Aperture. It's not a very good tool.
 
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realitystops

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Just starting out.

Just loaded my libraries and looking around. I think the learning curve is going to be steep for me having been PS for an eternity plus AP since it came out.

So far choosing the path I want is all guesswork but hopefully with a bit of patience I'll get there.

editing an action (reducing the size) after seeing the results is a mystery at the moment but I shall succeed!

Results for each action are noticeably improved on my earlier editing methods so 'good news'!!!

Thanks OP. Plus Virtual Rain you should keep posting on here with simple tips for slows like me to crib??;)
 
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VirtualRain

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Just loaded my libraries and looking around. I think the learning curve is going to be steep for me having been PS for an eternity plus AP since it came out.

So far choosing the path I want is all guesswork but hopefully with a bit of patience I'll get there.

editing an action (reducing the size) after seeing the results is a mystery at the moment but I shall succeed!

Results for each action are noticeably improved on my earlier editing methods so 'good news'!!!

Thanks OP. Plus Virtual Rain you should keep posting on here with simple tips for slows like me to crib??;)

C1 is more similar to Aperture than different. I would start by organizing the tools the way you want. As I mentioned a few posts back, you can move tools and tabs around, add them, remove them, and create your own custom tabs. This will allow you to fit the adjustments to the way you're use to working.

Then, I would go to YouTube and watch several of the Phase One tutorials and webcasts to see what's possible and learn some techniques and tips on how to best accomplish some tasks.

Common adjustments are straight-forward... Dragging sliders :) However, as mentioned in my last post, the local adjustments are powerful and easy and if you're not using them, you're not getting the most out of this app. So watch some videos and give it time. ;)
 

VirtualRain

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Here's another challenging photo I spent some time working on today from a hike last weekend up Quarry Rock near Deep Cove.

When we got to the lookout, the sun was peering through a gap in the clouds to the south... it was very dramatic. The dynamic range was extreme... I had to underexpose by 1 stop to save some of the highlights and this left the land very dark. The images out of the camera were not very satisfying...

The in-camera JPEG...


The RAW file output from C1... (nothing more than cropped) is even more bland and lifeless as expected...



Here's the best I could do in NIK/Aperture... It's much more like I remember it, but it was very challenging to boost the shadows on the land and add detail without making it look over-processed. Even as it is here, the houses look a little off to me - lacking contrast and a bit "cooked".



Here's the result after working on it in Capture One... Now this is how this image should have looked! :) (Ok admittedly, I may have gone overboard on saturating the sky, but the land is the best looking of the lot)



Global Adjustments:
- Boost Saturation and Contrast
- Recover highlights (sky) Boost Shadows (ground)
- Color Editor - Reduce saturation of green trees to compensate for added global saturation above

Local Gradient Mask on Sky:
- Boost Saturation further to bring out blue and orange colours in sky
- Add contrast to bring out cloud texture
- Reduce structure to reduce noise

Local Low Opacity Mask over Trees:
- Add Clarity and Structure to bring out detail

So, once again, Capture One not only matches what I could previously do in NIK, but in this case, exceeds what I could do - without a round-trip edit. I'm very happy about this.
 
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simonsi

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So, once again, Capture One not only matches what I could previously do in NIK, but in this case, exceeds what I could do - without a round-trip edit. I'm very happy about this.

Hmmm - I'm finding the same with regard to the Macphun plugins I have with Aperture, same results are pretty achievable in Capture One.

The added benefit with this is that I can't for the life of me get round-tripping to work with the Macphun software. Capture One creates the TIFF file in its library (sorry catalogue), fires up Intensify and the TIFF loads in. Then bang, Intensify can't save the file back as the TIFF in the Capture One library (sorry catalogue). The only way is to Save As....and import the saved file into the Capture One library (sorry catalogue). Then I have the original RAW, a Capture One TIFF and the Intensified TIFF. Ugh.

Too hard so started experimenting and probably going to discover the Capture One method of saving such adjustment presets (or whatever Capture One will call them - "Styles"), such that it becomes easier to carry out that style of adjustment within Capture One.

Fast running out of Capture One trial time though...
 
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croettger

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Flickr Uploadr - where can I find it ?

Thank you for your very helpful posts - I am in the process of switching from Aperture to either LR or CO, and I have not made up my mind yet.

I do not really like the LR UI but I recently switched to the Fuji X-T1 and LR seems to have a few advantages, like the lens correction and the film simulations. As far as I can tell these things do not exist in the CO world.

But I also use Flickr and was intrigued by the Flickr Uploadr you mention, however


I cannot find the "just released Yahoo Flickr Uploadr" you describe and show in screen shots.

Neither in the Mac App store nor at Yahoo/Flickr is it even mentioned. When googling I end up with an Uploadr showing version 3+ something but clearly not from Yahoo/Flickr, and that definitely does not seem to be the same.

Could you please tell me where to found it?

Thank you in advance!
 

VirtualRain

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Neither in the Mac App store nor at Yahoo/Flickr is it even mentioned. When googling I end up with an Uploadr showing version 3+ something but clearly not from Yahoo/Flickr, and that definitely does not seem to be the same.

Could you please tell me where to found it?

Thank you in advance!


I'm away from my Mac at the moment, but I think I found it going to my Flickr account and in the main drop down menu ("You"), you should see an option for "Camera Roll (beta)" and on that page at the top is a banner to download the Flickr uploader for Mac. Let me know if it still eludes you.
 
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simonsi

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So I have decided to re-import my entire Aperture library and have C1 re-process the images with a Style on import, C1 seem that much better at rendering my D300 RAW files than the original Aperture imports (which also applied a preset on import).

This is to remove my reliance on Aperture to access any of my library as well as provide a better set of rendered RAWs while I have the chance on import (although same could be done in Batch post-import.

I am exporting Originals by Aperture, exporting into folders named as the Aperture Project in the library which makes it simple to keep track of what is what.
 

VirtualRain

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So I have decided to re-import my entire Aperture library and have C1 re-process the images with a Style on import, C1 seem that much better at rendering my D300 RAW files than the original Aperture imports (which also applied a preset on import).



This is to remove my reliance on Aperture to access any of my library as well as provide a better set of rendered RAWs while I have the chance on import (although same could be done in Batch post-import.



I am exporting Originals by Aperture, exporting into folders named as the Aperture Project in the library which makes it simple to keep track of what is what.


Yeah, I like what it does with my 5D Mark III RAW files as well.

Good idea about exporting first... Much less messy than trying to import your Aperture Library into C1 directly. I tried it with a small Library and it wasn't elegant and I hear it can stall or bog down. Doing it your way is much smarter.
 

simonsi

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I was stuck anyway, my library was based of an iPhoto library, updated to the unified library. C1 doesn't therefore recognise it as an Aperture library, that means I would have to have created an Aperture library and import my iPhoto library into it in Aperture, then import into C1. Zero chance of that being a nice process so....

And I can do it piecemeal, choose the right Style on import into C1 and I haven't got to shift 1.5TB of data around over USB before I find out if it works or not :)
 

realitystops

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May help others starting out.

I was stuck anyway, my library was based of an iPhoto library, updated to the unified library. C1 doesn't therefore recognise it as an Aperture library, that means I would have to have created an Aperture library and import my iPhoto library into it in Aperture, then import into C1. Zero chance of that being a nice process so....

And I can do it piecemeal, choose the right Style on import into C1 and I haven't got to shift 1.5TB of data around over USB before I find out if it works or not :)

I looked at the transfer methods some time before starting C1.

Non seemed reliable enough for me ; or simple enough!

In the end I decided to ignore all the exif/IPTC/sidecar etc. confusion and accept that no matter what system I used something was likely to not work as expected.

OK. So I simply just kept my files on the external hard drive they where on anyway and deleted Aperture.
Checked all my files where unaffected.
Loaded C1 and then imported yearly file groups into C1 catalogues one at a time.
All the produced files where in one file separate from the original files so no worries of loosing edits as imported as catalogue.
Oh a CCC of my files plus TM gave me the backup safety needed.

Might be of use to us low power users i.e.. more interested in editing a bowser image than keeping a library:D:D

Just under 2TB of images installed without loss/damage.:D :D
 

VirtualRain

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I need to sign into Yahoo to see the larger image.

FWIW, the sky being so over saturated the final example isn't really a good example. I'm sure other editors can do similar. Everything else does look great - at least from what I can see from the example (and not seeing the larger version)

Hmm... maybe I hadn't made that photo public for some reason. It should be fixed now.

As for the sky, yeah, obviously you could saturate that to taste. I tend to like overly dramatic skies :) The good news is that there's an incredible amount of detail you can recover from both the shadows and the highlights with C1 - something I had to round-trip to NIK to do previously.
 

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something I had to round-trip to NIK to do previously.
Really? I'm a bit surprised, I thought C1 had that ability to pull out detail from over/under exposed. I'm not knocking the tool, but I thought I read somewhere that's one of its strengths.
 

VirtualRain

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Really? I'm a bit surprised, I thought C1 had that ability to pull out detail from over/under exposed. I'm not knocking the tool, but I thought I read somewhere that's one of its strengths.

Yes, C1 does, which is why I can nuke NIK... but I was on Aperture before, which sucked at shadows/highlights so NIK was an essential add-on.
 

simonsi

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Non seemed reliable enough for me ; or simple enough!

Mine went slightly pear-shaped, exported originals to an external HDD, ensured 2 further TM backups and 1 full library copy all good. Had a 50GB Capture One Catalog at this point (also double-backed up).

So trashed Aperture library on MBP HDD in prep for import...and while emptying Trash the dreaded SATA cable issue struck - so my HDD SATA port won't write to the HDD, HDD is fine in an external enclosure so will work like that while new SATA cable inbound....:mad:

MBP runs fine off its SSD though (I'm still working on it, just no photos or iTunes).

To anyone interested - this is why NOT to have a Fusion SSD/HDD setup...
 

maflynn

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For anyone interested in watching some webinars on a variety of C1 related topics, here's a good link. I've learned a ton... especially from the local adjustments webinar (#7 on the playlist).

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDMRz3ssFQH5bVekS7WX6rW9pZu_X_vLJ

This particular one is aimed at Aperture switchers...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XWU9WVhmYw

Thanks for the links, I'll start viewing them shortly. I've always enjoyed C1's RAW handling, it was the DAM and to a lesser degree the UI. My 30 day trial is still good on my Surface Pro 3, so I can still play with C1
 

simonsi

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Mine went slightly pear-shaped, exported originals to an external HDD, ensured 2 further TM backups and 1 full library copy all good. Had a 50GB Capture One Catalog at this point (also double-backed up).

So trashed Aperture library on MBP HDD in prep for import...and while emptying Trash the dreaded SATA cable issue struck - so my HDD SATA port won't write to the HDD, HDD is fine in an external enclosure so will work like that while new SATA cable inbound....:mad:

New SATA cable, restoring now, then The Import can continue :D
 
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