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Competion closed: Need a logo, best wins an ipod video!
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Here is my last attempt on the deadline day (today is the deadline right?)
OK - I'm not sure how to respond to your entry, other than to say it's a BLATANT rip-off of my entry from page 5 of this thread.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/317826/
See post #112
Not to be too harsh - but really - that's just shameful! Normally I'm a softie - but this one really rubbed me the wrong way.
EDIT: Just to make this point even more .... here they are side by side. Even the colors are virtually the same:
Yes for sure some are similar - and that's quite normal. But this one in particular is not 'similar' but a rip-off ... notice even the way the leaf was done. SAME as mine.
It's kind of too bad that this could not have been a blind contest, where the participants could send in their logos without seeing anybody elses.
It is quite evident that people have (perhaps without realizing) taken concepts of some of the earlier logos and asapted them to come up with their own design.
I am not knocking these later designs, I know it can become difficult to come up with something original when there are already 50+ entries.
I am just curious how Andy will award the winner if it is a design that has built upon someone elses original concept.
It is quite evident that people have (perhaps without realizing) taken concepts of some of the earlier logos and asapted them to come up with their own design.
I am not knocking these later designs, I know it can become difficult to come up with something original when there are already 50+ entries.
I am just curious how Andy will award the winner if it is a design that has built upon someone elses original concept.
lol yeah.. it's a shame that it's like that.. but yeah its definitely a rip off.. the side-by-side comparison is a no-brainer. honestly though, i think the winning logo would be one that isn't like the others.. if the winning logo is similar to other ones, then it definitely isn't deserving of winning in the first place. let the best logo win!
hands down you have kicked butt.
re:Just wanted to say "Thank You" to those who posted some nice comments about my designs above...."
i am not a 'toady' local boosterist by any means. you have simply nailed this. i've been in the design field forever and it seems you have addressed all of the criteria and then some. just don't sell yourself short. i have only one caveat for you and all others in this thread... the nike swoosh. paid student something like thirty8$$$. went to court, and then-aspiring student ended up with enough money to buy a buddhist's lifetime's worth of 3rdworld overhyped sneakers. i'd say 'good luck', but judging by your submission, that's the least of your concerns. hope to bump into you at the railway club sometime. vic.
re:Just wanted to say "Thank You" to those who posted some nice comments about my designs above...."
i am not a 'toady' local boosterist by any means. you have simply nailed this. i've been in the design field forever and it seems you have addressed all of the criteria and then some. just don't sell yourself short. i have only one caveat for you and all others in this thread... the nike swoosh. paid student something like thirty8$$$. went to court, and then-aspiring student ended up with enough money to buy a buddhist's lifetime's worth of 3rdworld overhyped sneakers. i'd say 'good luck', but judging by your submission, that's the least of your concerns. hope to bump into you at the railway club sometime. vic.
Good point. My complaint is not about 'the contest' and winning it. It's more of a question about basic scruples and decency. Every designer I know, including myself, puts in their best efforts and heart into the projects they work on. I think it's more of a personal affront when the work that is produced is then ripped-off. In this case it's so blatant as it's actually ripped off in the same thread as the original was posted! Anyways I just needed to rant about his a bit. Thanks for giving me the time to do so.
I know it's an issue but can we please just put it to one side for the last couple of hours of this thread's life? Otherwise, I'll close it early and I don't want to do that because of all the work that has been put in.
Thanks for the kind words.
I enjoyed reading this thread.
I enjoyed posting my entries in this thread.
I enjoyed reading the nice words people had about my design in this tread.
I enjoyed having some good discussion about design in this thread.
I'll try not too take the 'rip-off' of my design too hard and enjoy the conclusion of this contest. Good luck to everybody. There have been some really great submissions.
Here is the link to the shortlist. This is still being finalised but two have been entered in the link. I will give it till the auction has closed so that everyone has had a chance to get there entries in and then the shortlist will be completed tomorrow. A winner will then be picked from this list. All feedback I have for all the logo's will also be added to Flickr. Feel free to PM or mail me from Flickr for any feedback or if you need any help.
The link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewclarke/sets/72157600589445511/
Thanks to all and good luck.
And finally...
Thanks to everyone for participating in this competition.
As previously stated by the OP, AndyClarke, the shortlisted entries will be hosted here.
Andy also goes on to say:
The shortlist will be completed tomorrow. A winner will then be picked from this list. All feedback I have for all the logos will also be added to Flickr. Feel free to PM or mail me from Flickr for any feedback or if you need any help.
Personally and just speaking as BV, my views on this competition have changed throughout its duration, and to complicate matters, when the thread was created, the views I put forth at the time were before I was invited to become a moderator here at MacRumors. So, bearing that in mind, please forgive any later inconsistency on my part, as my main aim then became one of bringing things to a fair and agreed conclusion for all.
Saying all of that, I do wish all of those who entered and put in some good work, all the best of luck.
Now... we here as MR staff have been following this thread with interest, particularly as there were a number of legitimate complaints associated with it, especially in the context of no-spec work. And I'm aware that many regular and valued contributors to the Design and Graphics forum were extremely annoyed about the terms and conditions that were placed upon its entrants.
This thread became slightly derailed at some point with this topic, and because the thread had been given a 'blessing', more by inaction than by decision from the start, we felt it was best to let things come to an agreed end.
However... after some discussion, we've decided to make this competition the last of its kind here at MacRumors and we now have a new set of forum rules which I'll come to in a minute.
This is a summary of our thinking that has lead us to this point:
• This kind of competition gets dozens of people to work for free. One person might get 'paid,' but that pay is extremely poor (well below industry standards).
• There is also the issue of under-valuing the work of a profession — a serious problem in any industry with a strong freelance workforce. Teaching both the consumer and the professional the value of their work, the concept of being a true professional, and the difference between professional work and amateur work is a continuous problem in any freelance industry.
• The age of the participants. Many could be minors and therefore can not legally enter into a contract. They are not of legal age to consent to the terms of the contest.
• And lastly: the bottom line for us, as moderators, is that it is still a problem since any similar threads would require an undue amount of moderator attention to keep them from devolving into arguments as we've seen with this particular episode.
So, without adding much more to this post, these are the new rules on competitions and other forms of advertising.
Advertising/soliciting. Using the forums for advertising or for commercial business deals and offers. See the MacRumors About page if you want to buy advertising at the site. Threads started for the purpose of advertising products, services, or businesses, building traffic at other websites, soliciting donations or contest entries, offering jobs, etc. will be deleted. Memberships created solely for such purposes will be banned.
Job listings: We will now treat offers of work like other want-to-buy requests. That means they should be in the Marketplace forum and not be from commercial businesses.
A thread discussing these new rules is here in the Site and Feedback Forum where the details and conditions of it can be addressed in greater detail and questions can be answered.
Thanks for reading thus far, and I hope that all of those who have followed this thread and the overall issue can appreciate the stance we are now taking.
Thanks...
BV
Thanks to everyone for participating in this competition.
As previously stated by the OP, AndyClarke, the shortlisted entries will be hosted here.
Andy also goes on to say:
The shortlist will be completed tomorrow. A winner will then be picked from this list. All feedback I have for all the logos will also be added to Flickr. Feel free to PM or mail me from Flickr for any feedback or if you need any help.
•••
Personally and just speaking as BV, my views on this competition have changed throughout its duration, and to complicate matters, when the thread was created, the views I put forth at the time were before I was invited to become a moderator here at MacRumors. So, bearing that in mind, please forgive any later inconsistency on my part, as my main aim then became one of bringing things to a fair and agreed conclusion for all.
Saying all of that, I do wish all of those who entered and put in some good work, all the best of luck.
•••
Now... we here as MR staff have been following this thread with interest, particularly as there were a number of legitimate complaints associated with it, especially in the context of no-spec work. And I'm aware that many regular and valued contributors to the Design and Graphics forum were extremely annoyed about the terms and conditions that were placed upon its entrants.
This thread became slightly derailed at some point with this topic, and because the thread had been given a 'blessing', more by inaction than by decision from the start, we felt it was best to let things come to an agreed end.
However... after some discussion, we've decided to make this competition the last of its kind here at MacRumors and we now have a new set of forum rules which I'll come to in a minute.
•••
This is a summary of our thinking that has lead us to this point:
• This kind of competition gets dozens of people to work for free. One person might get 'paid,' but that pay is extremely poor (well below industry standards).
• There is also the issue of under-valuing the work of a profession — a serious problem in any industry with a strong freelance workforce. Teaching both the consumer and the professional the value of their work, the concept of being a true professional, and the difference between professional work and amateur work is a continuous problem in any freelance industry.
• The age of the participants. Many could be minors and therefore can not legally enter into a contract. They are not of legal age to consent to the terms of the contest.
• And lastly: the bottom line for us, as moderators, is that it is still a problem since any similar threads would require an undue amount of moderator attention to keep them from devolving into arguments as we've seen with this particular episode.
•••
So, without adding much more to this post, these are the new rules on competitions and other forms of advertising.
Advertising/soliciting. Using the forums for advertising or for commercial business deals and offers. See the MacRumors About page if you want to buy advertising at the site. Threads started for the purpose of advertising products, services, or businesses, building traffic at other websites, soliciting donations or contest entries, offering jobs, etc. will be deleted. Memberships created solely for such purposes will be banned.
Job listings: We will now treat offers of work like other want-to-buy requests. That means they should be in the Marketplace forum and not be from commercial businesses.
•••
A thread discussing these new rules is here in the Site and Feedback Forum where the details and conditions of it can be addressed in greater detail and questions can be answered.
Thanks for reading thus far, and I hope that all of those who have followed this thread and the overall issue can appreciate the stance we are now taking.
Thanks...
BV
I have been informed that we have a winner: one3 with this winning entry. Many congratulations and I hope you enjoy your new iPod. Thanks for everyone who entered; there was some fine work on display here.
I'll leave this thread open for 12-15 hours for further comment from those who want to feed back, but please note that the competition is now closed.
I'll leave this thread open for 12-15 hours for further comment from those who want to feed back, but please note that the competition is now closed.
I must say that this was a fascinating experiment to revisit, and Blue Velvet, I am very glad that there are some respectful rules now in place to curb some of the negative potential of this arrangement.
Nonetheless, there were some really great and really funny additions here, and everyone tried so hard... congratulations to the winner and enjoy your iPod!
Nonetheless, there were some really great and really funny additions here, and everyone tried so hard... congratulations to the winner and enjoy your iPod!
Congratulations to one3. Although there were plenty of great entries, I think he deserved the prize.
Given what BlueVelvet said, I think the mods were justified in disallowing contests or requests for work of this sort. One suggestion I would like to humbly put forth, however, is, rather than banning any sort of request for workers, to add a "Looking to Hire" subforum like they have over at Sitepoint.
I think this could be a boon to all of the talented freelancers we have here, as well as providing an additional revenue stream to the site (job listings on Sitepoint are paid). Again, just a suggestion...
Given what BlueVelvet said, I think the mods were justified in disallowing contests or requests for work of this sort. One suggestion I would like to humbly put forth, however, is, rather than banning any sort of request for workers, to add a "Looking to Hire" subforum like they have over at Sitepoint.
I think this could be a boon to all of the talented freelancers we have here, as well as providing an additional revenue stream to the site (job listings on Sitepoint are paid). Again, just a suggestion...
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