Phones Convert to android and loving it?

[cynics]

Contract system that carriers impose pretty much makes everything you are saying look like nonsense.

How is this any different than Android users? The contract system with carriers isn't exactly friendly to people that want to buy a phone every month.



It's not good either way. Besides the already stated point of resale value, no one likes to buy a phone, like it, and then a month later see the exact same phone with better battery life, or a better display. No your phone doesn't stop working, but you end up regretting the purchase because you could have bought a better phone if you waited. It has nothing to do with being a slave and everything to do with not wanting to be screwed by the seller.

If you limit yourself to a contract then yes you are usually stuck with a device for 2 years. A lot of people don't concern themselves with contracts and just get whatever works. How many 4S owners on contract will get the next iPhone? More then just a handful.

If you regret a purchase because something better comes out then that's a personal issue. Something better is and always will be coming out.

 

[maflynn]

Because both tablet and phone run the same OS. Logic says you would want the same platform phone and tablet just to share apps being one reason.

Perhaps but I can see someone who owns an iPhone not willing to spend 400 dollars and up when they can spend 279 for a kindle fire, if their needs are basic reading, watching videos etc. While its true having the same apps on the phone as on your tablet is a plus, it all boils down to what best fits your needs.

I had an iPad but an Android phone and it was stupid.

Maybe for you, but not for everyone, perhaps someone wants something different for their phone - just because you cannot see it, doesn't mean that it isn't the case for everyone.

Saying that iOS is too "walled" in or too controlling but then owning an iPad running ios just makes you look silly.

So you're saying that anyone who owns an apple product cannot complain about it

I don't like the walled approach but for the moment, the iPhone is the best solution for meeting my needs. That doesn't mean the iPad is the best solution for meeting my needs as those needs are different and there are different products available.

 

[cynics]

The only thing that makes the iPad more solid and stable is iOS. So you choose to have a phone with a less solid and stable Android OS because it has....a bigger screen? Lol, ridiculous.

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Because both tablet and phone run the same OS. Logic says you would want the same platform phone and tablet just to share apps being one reason. I had an iPad but an Android phone and it was stupid. I had to buy several apps more than once. If you have an iPad and an iPhone, no need to. Not to mention some of the apps are different between the iOS version and the Android version. Saying that iOS is too "walled" in or too controlling but then owning an iPad running ios just makes you look silly.

Same platform to share 10 - 50 dollars in apps that are usually less expensive or free on google play?

No thanks I'll buy my 500 dollar devices that suit my needs instead of dealing with something I don't like to save a couple bucks on apps.

I have an iPhone 4S, og Razr, iPad 2 and Android tablet (Xoom). I only use the 4S and Xoom. The tablet does what I need better then my iPad (gave to my gf) so I'm going to use that. I only have a couple apps that are the same between devices since I use them for different things and all of them were free on google play. Then 10-20 dollars of additional apps on each.

 

[brendu]

I had a palm pre on sprint for a couple years and loved/hated it. webOS was awesome when it first came out, way ahead of everything else. But the hardware was cheap crap and well we all know how that all played out. So I got an iPhone 4 and it's been great. In my opinion iOS is the best overall mobile OS available today. It's not the best at everything and lacks in some ways but I feel it's the best overall.

I am however extremely tired of the iPhone design and really hope the new iPhone will either give me a bigger screen or at least have much less bezel around the top and bottom of the phone. I personally think the lumia 800 design is amazing and would love to have something like that.

BUT.... At the end of the day, I have an iPad, MacBook, and iPhone and because of iCloud apple has me trapped. My 3 devices work so well together and getting a different phone would ruin it. I would no longer get iMessages on all 3 devices at the same time. Some messages might end up going to my iPad instead of my phone which would be unacceptable on most occasions. Also, I have so many family and friends with iPhones that I am actually saving money by using the iPhone because I have a smaller texting plan due to iMessage.

So, OP, no. Even though I like the design or certain features of some other phones, and even though I am tired of iOS in some ways. I will most likely stick with it because it works. It works really well for me. So why mess that up?

 

[mbell1975]

So you're saying that anyone who owns an apple product cannot complain about it

Everyone should know by now what iOS is all about. So buying a product and then complaining about your perceived limitations of that device is silly. Thats like me buying an HDTV and then pissing and moaning in every forum thread that it doesn't do 3D. Why would you own a product you didn't like? Sell it. Crying about it in here isn't going to make Apple start adapting to what you want.

 

[cynics]

Everyone should know by now what iOS is all about. So buying a product and then complaining about your perceived limitations of that device is silly. Thats like me buying an HDTV and then pissing and moaning in every forum thread that it doesn't do 3D. Why would you own a product you didn't like? Sell it. Crying about it in here isn't going to make Apple start adapting to what you want.

Because your work provides you with an iPhone and pays the contract is my reason.

I'd gladly use my Razr but I don't consider it better then a free 4S.

 

[maflynn]

Crying about it in here isn't going to make Apple start adapting to what you want.

I never said that I expect apple to change, but that doesn't mean that when I get an apple product I have to love every thing that apple does, or every facet of iOS.

iOS has a lot of great features, and some features I do not like, I see no problems in stating my displeasure about those features here or elsewhere.

 

[BiggAW]

I am completely stumped as to how your response of "Side load" fits into the discussion. I'm sorry for being overly dense, but how does that fit in with the issue I raised?

I thought that comment was about Android. That being said, isn't there a way to side load on a Jailbroken iPhone? Or if you have paid the developer fee, and thus could "test" your app?

 

[panzer06]

The only thing that makes the iPad more solid and stable is iOS. So you choose to have a phone with a less solid and stable Android OS because it has....a bigger screen? Lol, ridiculous.

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Because both tablet and phone run the same OS. Logic says you would want the same platform phone and tablet just to share apps being one reason. I had an iPad but an Android phone and it was stupid. I had to buy several apps more than once. If you have an iPad and an iPhone, no need to. Not to mention some of the apps are different between the iOS version and the Android version. Saying that iOS is too "walled" in or too controlling but then owning an iPad running ios just makes you look silly.

Both of your comments are highly subjective. Not everyone would concur with your assessment of what is or is not logical. I, like many others have Macs & PCs. There is nothing wrong with using multiple systems, carriers, etc. My tablet and phone are on different carriers and I prefer it that way. Such a choice is neither illogical or "wrong"; it represents my choice. We are all entitled to that choice regardless of the opinions of some unknown person on a forum. The expression of differing opinions does not diminish the validity of choice on an individual basis.

As to the larger screen, I prefer it and am willing to use something other than an Apple device to obtain that which I prefer. Simple and far from ridiculous in "my" opinion, which is really all that matters, especially when I'm the one spending the money to acquire the device.

Cheers,

 

[cmChimera]

If you limit yourself to a contract then yes you are usually stuck with a device for 2 years. A lot of people don't concern themselves with contracts and just get whatever works. How many 4S owners on contract will get the next iPhone? More then just a handful.

If you regret a purchase because something better comes out then that's a personal issue. Something better is and always will be coming out.

For many if not most people, paying for an iPhone off contract is not an affordable option. They may buy the next phone if At&t ups their contract renewal date, or if they use someone else's upgrade like I do. But this would be difficult to maintain monthly. Customer's feeling regretful of a purchase because something better came out very quickly may be personal, but it is widespread and very relevant. No customer is so naive as to think that nothing new will never come out, but they would appreciate a reasonable amount of time where they feel secure, and confident in their purchase.

 

[Invincibilizer]

But it sure does mean that the resale value of your few month old Android device is going to plummet. iPhones don't have this problem.

Couldn't imagine how pissed I would be if I bought the Droid Razr and after a month the Droid Razr Maxx came out.

Thank god as iPhone users we don't have this type of nonsense

Who says one always has to have the best phone?

You get the one you want and that you would be satisfy with, you don't worry about the next phone. It's as simple as that, why would someone be angry over a future phone?

 

[mbell1975]

This is a prime example of why Android has taken a lead over Apple in marketshare. This was at a local grocery store, I have been seeing them everywhere. The phones all ranged from $29-$79. No credit checks, no contracts and month to month. The phones were all crap of course but people with bad credit who can't afford an iPhone or a data plan jump all over these. I won't be surprised to see these start turning up at 99 cent stores soon. Google doesn't care that they are licensing their OS out to complete garbage like this, they only care about pumping out as many Android handsets as possible. At least Apple has some dignity and standards

 

[jeffe]

Why does this matter? The prepaid market has always existed and i'm sure these customers are delighted to have these phones over last years offerings. Just because it is garbage for your use, doesn't mean it is the same for others.

This is a prime example of why Android has taken a lead over Apple in marketshare. This was at a local grocery store, I have been seeing them everywhere. The phones all ranged from $29-$79. No credit checks, no contracts and month to month. The phones were all crap of course but people with bad credit who can't afford an iPhone or a data plan jump all over these. I won't be surprised to see these start turning up at 99 cent stores soon. Google doesn't care that they are licensing their OS out to complete garbage like this, they only care about pumping out as many Android handsets as possible. At least Apple has some dignity and standards

 

[Trimene]

This is a prime example of why Android has taken a lead over Apple in marketshare. This was at a local grocery store, I have been seeing them everywhere. The phones all ranged from $29-$79. No credit checks, no contracts and month to month. The phones were all crap of course but people with bad credit who can't afford an iPhone or a data plan jump all over these. I won't be surprised to see these start turning up at 99 cent stores soon. Google doesn't care that they are licensing their OS out to complete garbage like this, they only care about pumping out as many Android handsets as possible. At least Apple has some dignity and standards

WOW... such disgusting comments and attitude.

Heaven forbid people with low financial means and resources have access to a decent smartphone at a low price, right??

It amazes me people still think of the iPhone as some exclusive commodity, meanwhile 1/3 of teens in the US have one. HA HA HA


Kudos to Google for providing truly world class software and innovation that people from every socio-economic status has access too.
Google Search
Gmail
Google Maps
Translation
YouTube
Android
Yet Apple has more dignity? Truly laughable comments filled with delusion.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

This is a prime example of why Android has taken a lead over Apple in marketshare. This was at a local grocery store, I have been seeing them everywhere. The phones all ranged from $29-$79. No credit checks, no contracts and month to month. The phones were all crap of course but people with bad credit who can't afford an iPhone or a data plan jump all over these. I won't be surprised to see these start turning up at 99 cent stores soon. Google doesn't care that they are licensing their OS out to complete garbage like this, they only care about pumping out as many Android handsets as possible. At least Apple has some dignity and standards

Clearly you do not understand Android. Android is open source. Google can not stop companies from using Android. What Google can is not give the devices its apps which are licensed. For example the kindle fire runs on Android but Google does not count them for android activation.

 

[mbell1975]

Just saying, touting numbers of how Android has taken over marketshare like its something monumental as Fandroids make it out to be is plain silly. Its coming from these crap Android phones sold in grocery stores people with food stamps can buy, nothing to brag about.

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For example the kindle fire runs on Android but Google does not count them for android activation.

Sure as hell they do. Why do you think Android has cut into the iPads huge marketshare lead? Its certainly not from Tab and Xoom sales LMAO

 

[b24pgg]

The phones were all crap of course but people with bad credit who can't afford an iPhone or a data plan jump all over these. I won't be surprised to see these start turning up at 99 cent stores soon. Google doesn't care that they are licensing their OS out to complete garbage like this, they only care about pumping out as many Android handsets as possible.

Its coming from these crap Android phones sold in grocery stores people with food stamps can buy, nothing to brag about.

Either you're trolling or you have zero class.

 

[jeffe]

Android taking over marketshare has nothing to do with IOS. Some android devices are not competing with IOS. I think its better not to take it offensively and just accept it and take it like it is. One of the reasons why the PC has dominated is b/c many manufacturers are able to take advantage of the formula and the result is many different types of PCs targeting different markets.

The same is happening with Android.

Just saying, touting numbers of how Android has taken over marketshare like its something monumental as Fandroids make it out to be is plain silly. Its coming from these crap Android phones sold in grocery stores people with food stamps can buy, nothing to brag about.

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[kdarling]

My original complaint was about the tightly closed iOS ecosystem where Apple requires a developer to pay $99 a year (for a developer's account) simply to be able to install a personally developed app on that developer's personally owned iOS device.

kdarling responded with, "A lot of developers upload their personal apps to the App Store as free apps to avoid that."

There is no way that I know of to get apps into the App Store without a developer's account.

You're correct, of course.

What I was thinking of, and worded it poorly, are the developers who upload personal/family apps to the App Store, so their family and friends can download them for free ... and those apps will STAY on their devices even if the developer drops their membership.

That's much better than using test profiles that expire after a year.

In other words, the developer doesn't have to keep paying $99 a year for those apps to stick around on their friends' phones.

Sorry for the confusion and my brain glitch

Regards.

 

[BiggAW]

It's better to offer a wide range of devices and service. The great part now is that the pre-paid stuff generally bundles data plans in. Heck, my friend's VM plan for voice, text, and talk costs the same as my data plan.

The downside is that the people who buy $25/mo prepaid aren't valuable customers when it comes to purchasing in Google Play. The valuable customers are, by and large, on the iPhone. iPhone users buy more apps than Android users by a long shot.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Sure as hell they do. Why do you think Android has cut into the iPads huge marketshare lead? Its certainly not from Tab and Xoom sales LMAO

See that is where you just are making stuff up.

Google has stated that when they release those figures and count they only count ones that active to Google services threw Google Apps. Guess what since the Kindle does not use those it does not get count. End of story. But you can keep living in your fantasy world of lies and myths.

 

[ap3604]

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[mbell1975]

See that is where you just are making stuff up.

Google has stated that when they release those figures and count they only count ones that active to Google services threw Google Apps. Guess what since the Kindle does not use those it does not get count. End of story. But you can keep living in your fantasy world of lies and myths.

Again, you are incorrect. Look up just about ANY article that talks about this subject and you will see that the Kindle Fire's sales are most definitely included in Android tablet sales. I'll make this easy for you, I just grabbed the first one I saw Googling it


http://betanews.com/2012/04/03/google-isnt-trying-to-save-android-tablets-but-kill-kindle-fire/


Kindle Fire is largely responsible for Android market share gains -- to 44.6 percent during fourth quarter, up from 32.3 percent three months earlier. During Q4 the two leading tablet operating systems were iOS and Amazon's Android, with combined share of 71.5 percent. Let me restate that: Not Android, but Amazon Android.

Edit: They even include the Nook in Android tablet sales LOL. Take the Nook and Kindle out and Android tablet sales would be complete crap, just like their tablets

http://blog.laptopmag.com/analyst-kindle-fire-nook-tablet-have-40-of-android-tablet-sales

Strategy Analytics raised a lot of eyebrows earlier today with a report that said Android tablets accounted for 39 percent market share in Q4 2011, up from 29 percent a year ago. The iPad’s share dropped from 68.2 percent to 57.6 percent. So is Android really “narrowing the gap” as many have suggested? No, but you could say Amazon and Barnes & Noble are.

We asked the author of the study, Peter King, to estimate what percentage of Android’s tablet share is comprised of the Kindle Fire and Nook Tablet, and he told us it’s about 40 percent of that 39 percent number. Strategy Analytics hasn’t yet released its Q4 tablet sales estimates broken down by vendor and region but will do so in about a week.

If you back out the Fire and Nook Tablet from the latest numbers, King says the Android tablet market grew about 100 percent. That seems decent, but iPad sales grew 111 percent year over year. So even when you add together Samsung, Motorola, LG, ASUS, Acer, Toshiba, and everyone else who makes an Android tablet, they couldn’t surpass the iPad. Add the Kindle Fire and Nook Tablet back into the mix and that “Android” growth balloons up to 240 percent.

 

[ChazUK]

Sure as hell they do. Why do you think Android has cut into the iPads huge marketshare lead? Its certainly not from Tab and Xoom sales LMAO

Who is this "they" you are referring to? Google?

Google only count handsets and tablets with access to Google services (Play Market, Gmail, Google Maps e.t.c) so any activation or sales figures ever touted by Google will always exclude the likes of the Kindle Fire or Nook Color.

http://m.techcrunch.com/2012/02/27/...ons-daily-300m-total-devices-says-andy-rubin/

"Google’s mobile platform is up 250 percent over last year and, according to Andy Rubin, SVP, Mobile and Digital Content, Google is seeing 850,000 activations every day. In all he states there are 300 million Google-sanctioned Android devices roaming the world, 12 million of them tablets. That number doesn’t even include devices like the Kindle Fire that do not use Google services."

Independent market share surveyors seem to be lumping anything that is based on Android OS together though.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Nice source there buddy

Always funny to me when someone says one person is wrong and making stuff up but then doesn't use a source themselves so we have no idea of they are making stuff up (the very thing they are accusing others of)

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Goog...evices-by-Google-services-activations_id25221

Turns out, Google is counting devices based on Google services. Most mainstream Android products do have the Android Market, Gmail and the rest of the Google suite of applications. Whenever someone activates a Google services account on a new device, Google’s activations counter goes up.

Turns out a great metric to pull that data is from the Google Play market Or at that time the Android Market place. The Kindle Fire never had access to it so it was never counted by Google.

Sorry I was on my tablet at the time so posting a link was rather difficult. But it does go to show you that there are facts to back it up.