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Dave2D has NAILED the new iPadPro
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Only Apple could answer that, but I would think the number would be pretty low.
Me too. Which is why I’m doubtful Apple did a stylus because it appeals to the masses or that they think is a new paradigm. I’m more compelled to think they did it for marketing purposes and to compete against the Surface more than anything else.
The added benefit is that it does work for artists...
The Surface’s tap to wake and straight into notes was always there from the beginning, and Apple completely ripped that off. Not that I care, but it’s a me too feature.
No, the substance of this discussion is that lack of mouse support is preventing some people from fully utilizing their purchase vs others who believe that using a mouse with an iPad is not a viable option.
Totally going to ignore my comment about my fellow loud mouths on this site and about how long it took Apple to address their Mac Mini, Mac Pro and large phone concerns? And you're right. My individual wants are unimportant to Apple. Fortunately my voice, like in the documentary, "Horton Hears a Who", is being amplified by many other voices.
I intentionally pointed out the previous inadequate support was passive (far inferior to the active stylus support of today) in my comment and you ignored it. And the previous 'support' was that those devices worked by touching the iPad's surface in the same manner as a finger. That's like saying the iPad had support for toe and nose input from day one.
What the heck did I do? It was Apple that added keyboard support. It was Apple that added split screen. It was Apple that added a Files App. It was Apple that added support for an external 4K display. It was Apple that added a freaking supercomputer to the iPad. And it's Apple that is constantly reminding us that an iPad can replace a laptop. If you want to point fingers at who is blending the experience, you're getting angry at the wrong person.
Believe me, I have provided feedback. And outside of the snark and mocking, I have learned from the feedback and pushback in this thread that people take iOS very seriously. I do, too. I just think that hardware wise, it's already two or more years ahead of the competition. Now, I want iOS (on the iPad Pro) to reach it's full potential and IMHO, it can't do this without support for a mouse/trackpad.
Dude you wrote all that? Still not getting it...
Do you mind telling us what you do for work?
Truthfully, would it really affect your opinion of me or my viewpoint?
Damn! Missed opportunity.I might die laughing if you said you sold lawnmowers!
(1) Um...
Totally going to ignore my comment about my fellow loud mouths on this site and about how long it took Apple to address their Mac Mini, Mac Pro and large phone concerns? And you're right. My individual wants are unimportant to Apple. Fortunately my voice, like in the documentary, "Horton Hears a Who", is being amplified by many other voices.
(2) Uh, yeah...
I intentionally pointed out the previous inadequate support was passive (far inferior to the active stylus support of today) in my comment and you ignored it. And the previous 'support' was that those devices worked by touching the iPad's surface in the same manner as a finger. That's like saying the iPad had support for toe and nose input from day one.
(3) Uh, keep going, if you must...
What the heck did I do? It was Apple that added keyboard support. It was Apple that added split screen. It was Apple that added a Files App. It was Apple that added support for an external 4K display. It was Apple that added a freaking supercomputer to the iPad. And it's Apple that is constantly reminding us that an iPad can replace a laptop. If you want to point fingers at who is blending the experience, you're getting angry at the wrong person.
(4) Um, wow, yeah, you ARE...
Believe me, I have provided feedback. And outside of the snark and mocking, I have learned from the feedback and pushback in this thread that people take iOS very seriously. I do, too. I just think that hardware wise, it's already two or more years ahead of the competition. Now, I want iOS (on the iPad Pro) to reach it's full potential and IMHO, it can't do this without support for a mouse/trackpad.[/QUOTE]
(5) WHEW! That’s done. Oh, BTW... did you do all of this with mouse support on an iPad? I bet not. Oh... I did.
did.
(5) WHEW! That’s done. Oh, BTW... did you do all of this with mouse support on an iPad? I bet not. Oh... I did.
did.[/QUOTE]
You win.
This isn't sitting right with me. Who are you referring to? I hope you're not using disabled veterans and first responders missing limbs as part of an attempted joke about iPads and mouse support. Real low if that's the case.
Are you surprised after reading some of RudySnow's responses in this thread?
A lot of folks like to say what they believe the majority or a percentage of people like. How is this belief calculated?
For Example, What percentage of people don't care about mouse support? Where is the evidence for such a number? And regardless of weather this number is high or low, why do many folks take issue with such a feature?
For Example, What percentage of people don't care about mouse support? Where is the evidence for such a number? And regardless of weather this number is high or low, why do many folks take issue with such a feature?
First off, thunderstorm forecasts have nothing to do with this argument.
Secondly, of the hundreds of millions of iPads sold, there are only a small bunch of people who have been going online and complaining that they can’t use the damned things fully until they have mouse support. Some of us are pointing this fact out because in group-social media, a few people commenting on a thread may make themselves seem like a lot if they are loud and abundant, while the actual number of people who actually care are infinitely small.
I'm so excited for Jonathan Morrison's review because he will most likely actually NAIL the iPad Pro. His editing an entire video on the iPP was excellent and gave me a little glimpse that he should do a really good job of explaining what a lot of us have been trying to get across about the iPad and why we don't agree with Dave.
First, you’re missing the point. There are fundamental truths and realities with engineering and product design and human beings. For instance, if you make a tablet screen too big, it ceases to become holdable, and then fails at being a tablet, so the ceiling of how large a tablet screen size can be is limited.
If you make hit targets in a GUI too small and close together, multi-touch fails because of inefficiencies and spurious inputs.
Nobody cares how many people want mouse support just like nobody cares about putting wings on a lawnmower. It doesn’t matter because nobody can change reality: that we’re barely evolved past a gorilla and use mobile devices that we hold in our gorilla hands interacting with pictures under glass.
The fact that some people want mouse support on a smartphone operating system designed for meaty fingers and smaller, battery powered devices changes nothing: it doesn’t mean it makes any sense or will happen. What it does do is say something about those people who want that...
Way to escape the questions asked. LOL.
We have zero idea how many people want or need mouse support. We do have a vocal group who doesn’t want change and one who does. On both there seem to be posters who like to make stuff up. Any statistics posted here are probably guesswork.
Examples for use cases where mice make sense start with simple office tasks. One of the most common pieces of software on the PROfessional world. Doesn’t mean it makes sense to you as your post continues to demonstrate but it does to others.
This is PRECISELY why I think cursor support (trackpad or mouse) is necessary for the iPad Pro if it truly wants to be a PRO device: office tasks. I'm talking about old-school Excel sheets, large client databases, multi-document contracts, etc. This is an every-day reality for corporate warriors, or even home-based business owners!!!
Navigating your way around multiple Word or Excel sheets via pegging the screen with your finger is absolutely nerve-wracking. There has got to be another type of input mechanism than your finger or a pen. That gorilla arm syndrome sure is nasty after a working session.
Everybody (including Apple) is focusing on fancy tasks like video or photo editing, but there are far more professionals out there in the office/corporate space than in the content creation space, and for them the iPad Pro does not deliver as a "pro" device for two main handicaps: cursor support and file management.
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Yes, this describes pro work for a significant percentage of business workers. Another example: many corporate applications and intranets don't work in mobile OS browsers.
I don't blame Apple for targeting professional buyers, but I'm starting to get annoyed by the constant framing of "pro" as article writer and/or video editor by the tech press - presumably because that's how people work in their circles. But the majority of us do much less glamorous work that may be cumbersome or not viable at all on an iPad.