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Dear Apple, WHY NO BLU RAY in the new Macs!?!?! ARGH!

Apple always seems to be lagging behind on optical drives. They thought that a dvd-burner was a premium product and didn't even include it on all macbooks untill recently. Even 500$ Vaio's have blu-ray drives these days.
If you don't need it, sure no problem, don't use it. But for a product that is so cheap and has become the standard for high definition movies, they should include it.
 
Why are people so eager for bluray? I just dont see the need for it with huge HDD spaces these days. Besides I already have a PS3 connected to the big screen.

But then I use my Mac to connect to the hdtv to watch the mkv bluray movies. ;)
 
jjahshik32 said:
Why are people so eager for bluray? I just dont see the need for it with huge HDD spaces these days. Besides I already have a PS3 connected to the big screen.

But then I use my Mac to connect to the hdtv to watch the mkv bluray movies. ;)
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If you have a PS3 or Xbox 360, you can use PS3 Media Server to stream your content to where your TV and PS3/Xbox 360 are. Setup is a breeze, too.
 
pastrychef said:
Once you let these people dictate what you put in your OS it will open up floodgates. We are moving towards digital media and physical media's days are numbered anyway. Why succumb to them?

Those who are willing to sacrifice the usability of Mac OS X and go to Windows just for the sake of watching some Blu-ray discs on their computer, good luck and have fun.
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jjahshik32 said:
Why are people so eager for bluray? I just dont see the need for it with huge HDD spaces these days. Besides I already have a PS3 connected to the big screen.

But then I use my Mac to connect to the hdtv to watch the mkv bluray movies. ;)
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People want Blu Ray because the quality of downloadable content, even HD movies from iTunes, is complete garbage compared to Blu Ray, and frankly, if you can't tell the difference between some compressed crap from the iTunes store and a Blu Ray, you're blind.
 
yg17 said:
People want Blu Ray because the quality of downloadable content, even HD movies from iTunes, is complete garbage compared to Blu Ray, and frankly, if you can't tell the difference between some compressed crap from the iTunes store and a Blu Ray, you're blind.
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Wouldn't you want to watch that high quality content on a TV rather than your computer???

If you can't see that then you're blind.
 
pastrychef said:
Wouldn't you want to watch that high quality content on a TV rather than your computer???

If you can't see that then you're blind.
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I would, yes, because I have a 40" HDTV, but the iMac screens are nice and if I didn't have a TV I surely wouldn't mind being able to watch a Blu Ray movie on the iMac screen. They're high def screens after all.

They cut the resolution down to 16:9 which is more appropriate for TV and movies and yet they don't have a Blu Ray player (or TV tuner for that matter) in them. Apple dropped the ball on that.
 
hitekalex said:
+1.

I hope Apple never ever pollutes MacOS with BluRay DRM crap (AACS/BD+/HDCP/etc). It's been tried on Windows and it's a disaster.
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When you say you hope that Mac OS never becomes "polluted" with stuff like HDCP, do you mean the HDCP thats already in the DisplayPort spec (and hence any mac with Mini DisplayPort) or do you mean something else?
 
bartzilla said:
When you say you hope that Mac OS never becomes "polluted" with stuff like HDCP, do you mean the HDCP thats already in the DisplayPort spec (and hence any mac with Mini DisplayPort) or do you mean something else?
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Or how about other DRM crap like CSS for DVDs, or FairPlay for iTunes (pre iTunes-plus)? Hell, OSX itself is one big piece of DRMed crap if you take into account that you can't install it on non-Apple hardware without some hacking around.
 
pastrychef said:
Wouldn't you want to watch that high quality content on a TV rather than your computer???

If you can't see that then you're blind.
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Er, what's wrong with watching it on a 27" high res screen (that Apple have put into the new iMac)?

It makes me laugh when people say, well wouldn't you want to watch it on your TV. ...WHY!?!?!?!

Cos TV's are bigger? It's all relative to the distance you sit from them. In other words the closer you are the less need there is for a bigger screen.
 
pastrychef said:
Wouldn't you want to watch that high quality content on a TV rather than your computer???

If you can't see that then you're blind.
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Why do you assume it's either one or the other?
Can you say "Mac Mini connected permanently to the TV as a media centre"?
If you can't see that then you're, er, blind.
 
ob81 said:
Blu-Ray on a computer is a gimmick anyway. If you want to burn blu-ray for some weird reason, get an external drive. Watching $40 movies on a computer screen? NO THANKS.
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That completely ignores the point of Blu-Ray as a high density storage medium. I for one would love to have an optical drive with 50 GB of capacity each, it would great for backups. Watching movies on it would be secondary, but I would really like to be able to do that when I am flying or on a train. Hardly a gimmick. Also for the future, if I have a Blu-Ray in my living room, I would like to be able to watch it on any screen I have and not have to go buy/rent it in DVD version. Also, I see a lot of Blu-Ray movies for $15-20 to buy, plus renting is only $5.
 
Cave Man said:
I suspect he means the software that's required for ensuring HDCP (and decryption) compliance.
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Oh you mean the DRM that is (or at least was) built into itunes movies?

Either way I think my point still stands. All the emo whining about how the mac must never become polluted by DRM is not so much fiddling while Rome burns as it is dancing on the embers after the fire died out.
 
msmth928 said:
Er, what's wrong with watching it on a 27" high res screen (that Apple have put into the new iMac)?

It makes me laugh when people say, well wouldn't you want to watch it on your TV. ...WHY!?!?!?!

Cos TV's are bigger? It's all relative to the distance you sit from them. In other words the closer you are the less need there is for a bigger screen.
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And if you look on Apple's website for the iMac, one of the selling points is how great the screen is for movies. So you'd think they would want to give you the equipment to make best use of that screen.
 
bartzilla said:
Why do you assume it's either one or the other?
Can you say "Mac Mini connected permanently to the TV as a media centre"?
If you can't see that then you're, er, blind.
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I agree, also remember another point, if you have some HD content it would be nice to watch it on any screen you have. If Apple doesn't have a Blu-Ray option for my next computer purchase, I will go with a PC. I only want to buy one copy of my movies, and that should be the highest quality for my TV. Everything else should be compatible even if it is no different than a DVD on a small screen. The issue is compatibility!

BTW - We did a test here at work, two identical 12" laptops side by side, one with DVD, one with Blu-Ray of the same movie. The difference with the Blu-Ray disc was noticeable, so anyone that says there is no difference in a smaller screen has not seen them. Is it required for that small a screen, no, but if you want the best...
 
msmth928 said:
Er, what's wrong with watching it on a 27" high res screen (that Apple have put into the new iMac)?

It makes me laugh when people say, well wouldn't you want to watch it on your TV. ...WHY!?!?!?!

Cos TV's are bigger? It's all relative to the distance you sit from them. In other words the closer you are the less need there is for a bigger screen.
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It's also native 1080p resolution which would require no scaling.
 
bartzilla said:
Why do you assume it's either one or the other?
Can you say "Mac Mini connected permanently to the TV as a media centre"?
If you can't see that then you're, er, blind.
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Like I've mentioned, I stream 720p and 1080p content to my Xbox 360 to watch on my TV. The computer doing the streaming is a blu-ray free Mac mini.

Maybe I am blind, but I still don't see the need to put a blu-ray drive in my Mac.
 
TheAshMan said:
That completely ignores the point of Blu-Ray as a high density storage medium. I for one would love to have an optical drive with 50 GB of capacity each, it would great for backups. Watching movies on it would be secondary, but I would really like to be able to do that when I am flying or on a train. Hardly a gimmick. Also for the future, if I have a Blu-Ray in my living room, I would like to be able to watch it on any screen I have and not have to go buy/rent it in DVD version. Also, I see a lot of Blu-Ray movies for $15-20 to buy, plus renting is only $5.
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It's been possible to write BD discs on a Mac for quite some time. Toast supports it.

If I had a Minidisc player, I'd like to be able to play the discs anywhere, too. Same if I had betamax content. But it ain't happening. Grrr.... Damned Sony media....
 
Blueray =Optical Disk

It seems to me that Blu-Ray is already obsolescent, as connections to the internet are getting faster and faster and it makes much more sense to download a HD movie than to go to Costco, shell out $15, take the disk home, and watch it once or twice. In any case, I don't see that many Blu-ray movies out there; there are many more DVD's. BR players have come down to under $200 -- I was thinking of buying one, but then wondered what I will do with it. My own opinion is that Apple is correct in not investing the money to develop BR and in not charging people for a BR device most of them will never use. The one use that might prove worthwhile is to transfer data -- it's very handy to put something on a $.75 recordable DVD and send it. If recordable BR disks come down to a dollar or less, then it might be worth getting a BR drive.
 
yg17 said:
Or how about other DRM crap like CSS for DVDs, or FairPlay for iTunes (pre iTunes-plus)? Hell, OSX itself is one big piece of DRMed crap if you take into account that you can't install it on non-Apple hardware without some hacking around.
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So, in your world any thing compatible with DRM is crap? Ok so that excludes Windows, Macs, DVD & Blu-Ray players. And how many people has Apple gone after or sued for installing OS X on non-Apple hardware, other than companies trying to make $$$ off of their intellectual property?
 
TheAshMan said:
So, in your world any thing compatible with DRM is crap? Ok so that excludes Windows, Macs, DVD & Blu-Ray players. And how many people has Apple gone after or sued for installing OS X on non-Apple hardware, other than companies trying to make $$$ off of their intellectual property?
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No, someone else called all DRM crap as an argument against including BR. I was just point out how much of this "DRM Crap" was already in OSX. I don't like DRM, but I don't think anything with it is crap.
 
Thanks pastrychef!

pastrychef said:
It's been possible to write BD discs on a Mac for quite some time. Toast supports it.
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Yes, I am thinking of that one for my iMac, but I want it the be the built-in optical disc for everything so I don't have to buy an external drive. Plus I want it in laptops for viewing movies on the road.

That is a great suggestion though, I had not explored the writing software for Macs using external drives.
 
pastrychef said:
Like I've mentioned, I steam 720p and 1080p content to my Xbox 360 to watch on my TV. The computer doing the streaming is a blu-ray free Mac mini.

Maybe I am blind, but I still don't see the need to put a blu-ray drive in my Mac.
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Your mac, sure. But you agree that you're not the whole world right?
 
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