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Dear Jerks @ Apple RE: System Requirements for MMS

.:R2theT said:
Apple and AT&T are under no obligation to offer this to 1st generation iPhone users. "Should have" is completely subjective, IMO.

People keep comparing this to other phones which is absurd if you consider what people have gotten over the last 2 years in terms of updates. I am surprised there have been as many as there have been. Do other phones get multiple software updates a year? Not so much.

As far as technology goes this is the same old complaint. If you don't have the newest hardware you don't get every feature that is available. Sometimes you will but most of the time you won't. Deal with it. Computers, phones, cars, the list could go on.
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I don't think original iPhone users are entitled to MMS, but it would be the decent thing for Apple to do.

The "revolutionary" iPhone was lacking a feature that had been in phones for 10 years or so. Many users bought the phone knowing it didn't have this feature because it did everything else so well... then there were those of us that didn't know it didn't have MMS until after we bought it (after all, why would I check it has a feature that EVERY phone released in the past years had...)

Now, Apple have finally created a half-decent MMS implementation, but are not offering it to the early adopters of their new device. Apple should offer it to all and apologise for not including it in the first place.

But please, keep on defending Apple for their stupid decisions like every other fanboy does.
 
lindsayanng said:
You guys are totally missing the point.. its more like this

You buy a new car back in 2006, and you love the car - it has a car stereo, but no ability to play music through it. Then, in 2008, the car manufacturer decides that they really should enable these stereos because, well, all other stereos can play music - so theirs should too.. But they decide to ONLY allow cars that are 2008 and newer to get this ability, even though ALL cars from this manufacturer HAVE a stereo, it just doesnt work
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Not really a great analogy as the primary purpose of a car stereo is to play music. The primary purpose of a cellular telephone is to make and receive calls.

A more accurate analogy would be buying a car in 2006 with a car stereo that plays FM and AM stations, but then in 2008 a new car stereo comes out that can receive HD radio signals. Through a software update, the 2007 model can be upgraded to receive HD radio, but there are enough hardware differences between the 2006 model and the 2007 and later models that HD radio won't be available for the 2006 model.

The original iPhone has TONS more features now than when it was released. I hardly think owners of the original iPhone are getting cheated out of anything.
 
matttye said:
But please, keep on defending Apple for their stupid decisions like every other fanboy does.
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Name calling really isn't necessary in civilized conversations/arguments.

For any business there are lines in the sand that need to be drawn for levels of support and/or service. I just don't understand why people that bought this phone now expect something that wasn't there to begin with nor was it ever promised.

In regards to "those of us that didn't know it didn't have MMS until after we bought it"...Caveat emptor is what I say to that.

I see the overall argument as an issue of entitlement more than anything else.

I suppose Apple should be giving people OS 10.6 for free to the people that already have OS 10.5 due to all the features should have been there from the beginning.

If a person doesn't like what they are buying at the time they are buying it or haven't done the research to know what they are actually getting, then they probably shouldn't be making such purchases.
 
Get off your high horse.

Most phones that you buy stay the same as the day you bought them. Apple has given you 2 software updates including hundreds of new features and API's. If the iPhone were made by Nokia you would still be running iPhone OS 1. You bought the first gen iPhone knowing full well it didn't offer MMS. Apple is under no obligation to give you MMS. Just be thankful you got Copy & Paste + all the other cool new features and apps.
 
anjinhamarota said:
Yeah, and you can keep calling everyone a fanboy just because they don't agree with you. :rolleyes:
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Sorry but that's the way I see this.

1st gen iPhone users paid a premium for their phones and there is no technical reason that MMS can't be included. Anyone who defends Apple in that decision is an Apple arse kisser :)

.:R2theT said:
Name calling really isn't necessary in civilized conversations/arguments.

For any business there are lines in the sand that need to be drawn for levels of support and/or service. I just don't understand why people that bought this phone now expect something that wasn't there to begin with nor was it ever promised.

In regards to "those of us that didn't know it didn't have MMS until after we bought it"...Caveat emptor is what I say to that.

I see the overall argument as an issue of entitlement more than anything else.

I suppose Apple should be giving people OS 10.6 for free to the people that already have OS 10.5 due to all the features should have been there from the beginning.

If a person doesn't like what they are buying at the time they are buying it or haven't done the research to know what they are actually getting, then they probably shouldn't be making such purchases.
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Your comparison to giving away OS 10.6 is not the same as what is being discussed here. People who bought the 1st gen iPhone have hardware capable of running MMS, and I think you will find most people paid a damn sight more for the 1st gen than people who bought a 3G or 3GS.

When I bought my iPhone it cost me £269 (~$428) plus an 18-month contract. To buy the 3G it would be FREE initially plus an 18-month contract.

Apple are crapping on the early adopters of their hardware. Whichever way you spin it, the point still stands that there is no technical reason that the EDGE iPhone cannot send and receive MMS. It has still only been two years since the 1st gen iPhone was released (here in the UK at least), isnt that a little early for Apple to start phasing out the iPhone? Expensive hardware should be supported for a little longer than two years.

nick9191 said:
Get off your high horse.

Most phones that you buy stay the same as the day you bought them. Apple has given you 2 software updates including hundreds of new features and API's. If the iPhone were made by Nokia you would still be running iPhone OS 1. You bought the first gen iPhone knowing full well it didn't offer MMS. Apple is under no obligation to give you MMS. Just be thankful you got Copy & Paste + all the other cool new features and apps.
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No, no they don't. We're in the era of smartphones now; most smartphones are constantly updated.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't MMS require 3G? The first time I ever used MMS was on a 3G phone. If that's the case, MMS may just not work on the EDGE network. And since ATT is upgrading to 4G in a couple years, I doubt they care about making the EDGE network MMS compatible.
 
bobsentell said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't MMS require 3G? The first time I ever used MMS was on a 3G phone. If that's the case, MMS may just not work on the EDGE network. And since ATT is upgrading to 4G in a couple years, I doubt they care about making the EDGE network MMS compatible.
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MMS was around before 3G.. so no :D
 
nick9191 said:
If the iPhone were made by Nokia you would still be running iPhone OS 1.
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That is because S60 had pretty much all the basics covered from the off, so the only improvements were bug fixes, the occasional new feature (my N95 has received new features, for free, some of which replace third party programs that did the same thing. The sort of thing that Apple wouldn't allow in their closed store). Firmware updates also sometimes include updates to built-in applications.

When Nokia moved from S60 v2 to v3, new hardware was actually required. You don't see them omitting features from the OS when the hardware can very much take it (v5 only really added touch screen support - can you download a touch screen now?). If they did, however, you can be sure that someone would make an application to add that feature. Unlike the iPhone, the much more open platform allows for true innovation like that.

They didn't suddenly make it obsolete either, developers were releasing software for both versions for years after v3 came out. No developer is going to stop releasing v3 software now that v5 is out.

As for their internet tablets (and maybe the N900, if the networks don't make them lock the firmware down), they were quite willing for the community to shoehorn the newer OSes onto tablets that Nokia didn't support anymore - in fact, they even host the images on the download site.
 
matttye said:
Your comparison to giving away OS 10.6 is not the same as what is being discussed here. People who bought the 1st gen iPhone have hardware capable of running MMS, and I think you will find most people paid a damn sight more for the 1st gen than people who bought a 3G or 3GS.
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Actually I think my comparison is fairly apt. My iMac running OS 10.4 and MacBook running OS 10.5 have hardware capable of running OS 10.6 with all of the features that go along with that. But in order for me to get that functionality I have to pay more.

And what does what people paid for their iPhones have to do with anything. You make choices and you live with it.

You call me a fanboy. But you just talk about what you paid, how you didn't know this or that and that you should get something for nothing. You strike me for a lot of what is wrong in this country today. Sorry that's the way I see this.
 
matttye said:
MMS was around before 3G.. so no :D
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Yeah. Upon further thought, I remembered there are a lot of people who own an iPhone 3G who live in areas without 3G service. So, yeah MMS will work with EDGE.

In any case, I'm going to defend Apple on this (as I do on very little). ATT says this on their website:
NOTE: MMS messaging is only available for iPhone 3G and iPhone 3GS. Original iPhone customers will continue to use www.viewmymessage.com to receive picture messages.​

That would tell me that ATT is the one restricting the use.
 
matttye said:
Sorry but that's the way I see this.

1st gen iPhone users paid a premium for their phones and there is no technical reason that MMS can't be included. Anyone who defends Apple in that decision is an Apple arse kisser :)
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You know name calling is against the rules of this forum, right?
 
Of all the things to run riot for in the world, this I didn't think would be one of them.

I have had MMS from day one here in the UK, its not that big a deal. There are more important things in life, really there is.
 
.:R2theT said:
Actually I think my comparison is fairly apt. My iMac running OS 10.4 and MacBook running OS 10.5 have hardware capable of running OS 10.6 with all of the features that go along with that. But in order for me to get that functionality I have to pay more.

And what does what people paid for their iPhones have to do with anything. You make choices and you live with it.

You call me a fanboy. But you just talk about what you paid, how you didn't know this or that and that you should get something for nothing. You strike me for a lot of what is wrong in this country today. Sorry that's the way I see this.
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Your comparison would have to be... Snow Leopard including a feature that is enabled on two newer versions of your iMac but not your own, even though your iMac is more capable of running said feature. All three of them get the same software update, but the one for your iMac has features withheld.

The reason I say 1st gen iPhone users should get this for nothing is because they paid more than 3G and 3GS users, who DO get this for nothing. It's completely unfair.

anjinhamarota said:
You know name calling is against the rules of this forum, right?
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Leave the forum policing to the mods. If they deem me calling someone a fanboy a problem then I won't say it again.
 
.:R2theT said:
Apple and AT&T are under no obligation to offer this to 1st generation iPhone users. "Should have" is completely subjective, IMO.

People keep comparing this to other phones which is absurd if you consider what people have gotten over the last 2 years in terms of updates. I am surprised there have been as many as there have been. Do other phones get multiple software updates a year? Not so much.

As far as technology goes this is the same old complaint. If you don't have the newest hardware you don't get every feature that is available. Sometimes you will but most of the time you won't. Deal with it. Computers, phones, cars, the list could go on.
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First of all, I have a 3GS, and have never sent a MMS message since I personally have no need for it. However, I do understand the OP's point and agree with ir. His iPhone is perfectly capable of sending a MMS, and he probably has absolutely no need to upgrade his phone since it works perfectly and covers all his needs. However, something that has been a basic feature since almost 10 years ago just got added to the iPhone, it should also be included on the 1st gen, yet Apple wants him and any other people interested in this to upgrade to a more recent version and that is unacceptable. I understand Apple not adding Voice Control to the 3G or First Gen, since it is a new feature they are selling with the 3GS, but MMS???? Again, basic phone feature, and should have been included with 1.0 back in 2007.
 
dukebound85 said:
Its a fact that many on this forum blindly defend apple though...
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Not as much as people calling everyone fanboys. Actually, I see more and more people criticizing Apple but if everyone defends Apple they're immediately called fanboys.

matttye said:
Your comparison would have to be... Snow Leopard including a feature that is enabled on two newer versions of your iMac but not your own, even though your iMac is more capable of running said feature. All three of them get the same software update, but the one for your iMac has features withheld.

The reason I say 1st gen iPhone users should get this for nothing is because they paid more than 3G and 3GS users, who DO get this for nothing. It's completely unfair.
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3G and 3GS owners pay $10 more for their data plans, which over the course of the contract is $240.
 
anjinhamarota said:
3G and 3GS owners pay $10 more for their data plans, which over the course of the contract is $240.
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3G and 3GS users paid that before the inclusion of MMS in the software, so they are NOT paying extra for the use of MMS.

Also, that might be true in America, but it certainly isn't here. The O2 tariffs are the same on all three iPhones.
 
matttye said:
Your comparison would have to be... Snow Leopard including a feature that is enabled on two newer versions of your iMac but not your own, even though your iMac is more capable of running said feature. All three of them get the same software update, but the one for your iMac has features withheld.
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Pretty sure mine still works. You just don't want to have upgrade your handset. It is switching the idea of hardware vs. software but in this modern age of smartphones you can't expect infinite support for hardware that is a couple of years old. So the new paradigm may mean hardware upgrades vs. software upgrades.

mattye said:
The reason I say 1st gen iPhone users should get this for nothing is because they paid more than 3G and 3GS users, who DO get this for nothing. It's completely unfair.
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So you bought something that didn't have all the features that you require and now you are crying that the manufacturer is treating you unfairly?

mattye said:
Leave the forum policing to the mods. If they deem me calling someone a fanboy a problem then I won't say it again.
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Just because someone isn't telling you to be decent or isn't reminding that you should be decent doesn't mean that you can't be decent.
 
No matter what - the OP has a point...

Even if the OP's wording is innappropriate, he makes a great point. Yes, he types like a child, but did you ever listen to children. Sometimes, they hit the nail on the head, and we never listen as adults (I do it myself to my nieces :p)

But, we really don't know who is behind this...

We don't know whom to blame - Apple or AT&T??? My inkling tells me AT&T is mostly behind this from the get go. They knew in the beginning, their MMS servers could not handle this feature along with the constant drain on their network from regular iPhone users using mobile internet quite often.

On the total opposite end, you could call Apple what the OP calls them. This could be a pure business strategy done by Apple & AT&T to get more users to buy new. It is not as crazy as you think. I wouldn't expect anything less from Apple, since the debate about the "no camera on the iPod Touch" - https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/786519/

Apple is changing to a more business/sales oriented company, and slipping away from the notorious "for the user" stereotype...
 
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