You bought the phone knowing that it didn't have copy/paste, 3rd party apps, MMS messaging, etc. Why do feel entitled to MMS?
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Dear Jerks @ Apple RE: System Requirements for MMS
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It is just how many people here operate.
I've come to realize that when it comes to Apple, Steve Jobs and Co. are allowed to slide right into people's *******s. And the people take it...with eagerness.
Maybe it is just because Apple has such a strong hold to their phone and fans...but from day 1 they have been the slowest at getting things out that should have been standard.
Yes... and then people felt insulted when they saw The Simpsons episode that mocked Apple fans, which in my opinion was spot on.
Really?Would you use a 10 year old computer? Will you still be using your phone in 10 years from now? Chances are it won't even be compatible with the technology of that time.
I have GSM phones that are 15 years old and they work, and they will probably work in 10 years time (no one is even considering switching GSM off, and I live in a country that is more progressive when it comes to mobile technology). I have a 3G phone that is 5 years old and it will probably work in 10 years time too.
Either way, a phone that cost far too much in its day, 2 YEARS ago (so not that long), should still be supported by its manufacturer - especially when said feature is very much supported by the hardware in the phone. But, I realise that Apple is in the lockout game. Can't run 64-bit Snow Leopard on not very old hardware, can't put modern graphics cards in your incredibly expensive and not that old (but Apple thinks so) Mac Pro.
If it was some low-end-in-its-day Nokia, I can understand. But I don't see why the fanboys are whining because someone disagrees with Apple's stance for not putting a very basic feature (MMS is old, it wasn't recently invented - I could do it in 2002) in. Why wasn't MMS included when the iPhone came out, anyway?
You mean way, way back in... um... September? Yep, it's pretty much changed since then...
Never said the OP didn't have a right to complain. In fact, I think it is pretty stupid of Apple not to include the 2G iPhone for MMS.
Change comes quick, man.You mean way, way back in... um... September? Yep, it's pretty much changed since then...
I never felt insulted even though I'm a hardcore Apple fan, I thought it was funny.
They did a whole new phone, completely from scratch. Would you rather that they had just released the first iPhone this year, with all the features that it has now, or what they did, release a revolutionary phone in 2007, even though it was missing some things?
I was impossible for them to have everything on the iPhone from the beginning. So they made choices, they focused on a fantastic UI and user experience, etc. And yes, they did make mistakes I admit that and no one is debating that. But at least they try to fix them and are always improving the iPhone, which is more than any other phone maker can say.
I mean, you bought the iPhone anyway, even with all the stuff that it was missing. Why is that?
And would you rather that they had released a phone with all the "basic" phone capabilities (MMS, etc) but without all the things that make the iPhone great? I have news for you, that phone exists: it's called "every other phone out there".
I'm a big iPhone fan. I think Apple changed the mobile phone market for a decade with the iPhone. Before the iPhone, I did not care which mobile phone (cell phone) I used, they were all just phones. OK, wap, windows mobile, mms, colour screen, tiny photos, yawn, yawn, it's a phone.
The iPhone changed that. I'm definitely a fan, and when I recently lost my original iPhone on holiday, the FIRST thing I had to do when I got home was get a replacement.
But I agree with the OP 100%. Apple has become Microsoft but worse. Much worse. Microsoft has never said "SP2 is released today but you can't have it unless you spend another $1500 on a computer with xxx processor." Microsoft has never said "this security update is only available if your computer was bought after 16th March 2008".
The restriction of MMS on the 2G iPhone is purely artificial. How do I know? Because I installed the hack to enable it on my iPhone 2G. It didn't install new software, it just removed a block that Apple put in the 2G software. It worked perfectly. On Edge. It worked identically to the MMS on later models. It worked.
I now have my new 3GS. It also sends MMS. It's exactly the same, though the message sending delay is shorter - IF I'm in reach of the 3G network. Much of the time though it's on Edge or GPRS anyway.
So why does Apple restrict the 2G? Just to give me/you a reason to throw a perfectly good and perfectly capable 2G in the dustbin and contribute to this year's iPhone sales and profits by buying a newer model. Green? Don't make me laugh!! Greedy? You've got it.
The iPhone changed that. I'm definitely a fan, and when I recently lost my original iPhone on holiday, the FIRST thing I had to do when I got home was get a replacement.
But I agree with the OP 100%. Apple has become Microsoft but worse. Much worse. Microsoft has never said "SP2 is released today but you can't have it unless you spend another $1500 on a computer with xxx processor." Microsoft has never said "this security update is only available if your computer was bought after 16th March 2008".
The restriction of MMS on the 2G iPhone is purely artificial. How do I know? Because I installed the hack to enable it on my iPhone 2G. It didn't install new software, it just removed a block that Apple put in the 2G software. It worked perfectly. On Edge. It worked identically to the MMS on later models. It worked.
I now have my new 3GS. It also sends MMS. It's exactly the same, though the message sending delay is shorter - IF I'm in reach of the 3G network. Much of the time though it's on Edge or GPRS anyway.
So why does Apple restrict the 2G? Just to give me/you a reason to throw a perfectly good and perfectly capable 2G in the dustbin and contribute to this year's iPhone sales and profits by buying a newer model. Green? Don't make me laugh!! Greedy? You've got it.
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Beautiful. LMAO. That should be sticky.
Edit: (Not directed at you Kadman) The simple act of buying a cell phone makes you not green. The argument that you want to hold on to your phone and not pollute is bogus. There are the pollutants that occur with simply making the phone. If you loose your phone in a place that it will never be found, you have just contributed to the problem.
I have a 3GS, I really don't care if Apple wants to have 2G iphone users upgrade, but personally I find it insulting that they lied to the consumers and claimed that the hardware doesn't support MMS. The ActivateMMS2G hack proves that the hardware is perfectly capable of it. Apple should just say they don't want to enable it, and not that they can't.
I never felt insulted even though I'm a hardcore Apple fan, I thought it was funny.
They did a whole new phone, completely from scratch. Would you rather that they had just released the first iPhone this year, with all the features that it has now, or what they did, release a revolutionary phone in 2007, even though it was missing some things?
No excuse, cut and paste is pretty basic, they have been doing it for years. Same with the other missing features.
I was impossible for them to have everything on the iPhone from the beginning. So they made choices, they focused on a fantastic UI and user experience, etc. And yes, they did make mistakes I admit that and no one is debating that. But at least they try to fix them and are always improving the iPhone, which is more than any other phone maker can say.
This sounds like a straight up Apple pitch. This was not impossible. Two years for MMS, Cut & Paste, are you kidding?
I mean, you bought the iPhone anyway, even with all the stuff that it was missing. Why is that?
And would you rather that they had released a phone with all the "basic" phone capabilities (MMS, etc) but without all the things that make the iPhone great? I have news for you, that phone exists: it's called "every other phone out there".
I would expect someone entering the cell phone game to at least have released a phone that was comparable to what was on the market as far as basic stuff along with the fantastic user interface. That is the Apple I know. Instead they spent their time on accelerometers.
But then again they still don't have Blueray.
Since I work with software developers on a daliy basis, I have seen what can be done why the right people push the button.
Your post is an excellent argument for why NOT to flame apple. Look at what they've added that they didn't have to! If the phone never gains a single bit of functionality over what it had when you bought it, you still got what you paid for. The 2G iphone has gotten tons of free and very nice enhancements since it was introduced. But does anyone thank apple for that? No, they just flame over the one thing they *didn't* get when they were never entitled to any of it in the first place.
3G users also bought the phone without MMS, yet they have it.
Apple are well known for trying to force their fanbase to drop certain technologies in favour of another (ie. floppy disk drive in favour of CD drives), and I think they tried to do the same with MMS vs. email.
I have seen comments such as "Apple knows what you want more than you know what you want" thrown around here and other mac websites; this is the exact kind of blind following that makes it take over 2 years for Apple to add a simple feature like MMS.
People need to realise they can be a fan of and criticise Apple AT THE SAME TIME.
eh? The iPhone 2g has a 2MP camera, along with pretty much every other phone that AT&T offers. http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/finder_results.php?m=s&w=s&car=r&ca_4=y&f56r=r&f56_10=y. Every one of these phones can send MMS without any problems.
Your post is an excellent argument for why NOT to flame apple. Look at what they've added that they didn't have to! If the phone never gains a single bit of functionality over what it had when you bought it, you still got what you paid for. The 2G iphone has gotten tons of free and very nice enhancements since it was introduced. But does anyone thank apple for that? No, they just flame over the one thing they *didn't* get when they were never entitled to any of it in the first place.
People can be grateful to Apple for updating the software and pissed at them not adding MMS at the same time you know..
Also, Apple touts software updates as one of the features, so it's not like something that wasn't promised.
Well, most of other cell phones copy and paste is pretty poorly implemented, The thing about Apple is that they might take longer than others to do something, but they do it right (usually). As for MMS, read later on.
You don't know when they started working on the iPhone, you don't know what other priorities they had. Just look at the stuff they added over those 2 years (App Store, Mobile Me, etc). That's pretty amazing stuff, stuff that other cell phone makers are still trying to catch up on. But yeah, they should have added MMS first, it was definitely more important.
No phone has everything. Other phones may have "basic phone capabilities" but still you chose the iPhone. Why is that? Apparently Apple made the right choice.
No one is debating that, they do add features for the iPhone with software updates. But they don't have to, they never promised that they would, they specially never promised for the 2G and they also don't have to support older hardware. It is crappy, I'm not contesting that. But they are a profit-driven company and it's their choice to make.
I agree, I think that's why they didn't add MMS from the beginning. But they realized they were wrong and they added it in a software update. How is that a bad thing? At least they realized their mistake (that the cell phone world isn't ready for email only for sending pictures) and they fixed it.
I know what you're saying, and every hardware vendor in the world eventually drops support for old hardware, but for hardware as high-end as the iPhone you would expect support for a little more than two years!
The bad thing is that they have only fixed it for some of their user base.
I'm not saying that what they did was right. But, as a business, driven to make profit, they made the choice that they felt was best. Since they never promised MMS to anyone they had every right to do so. It's crappy but it's the truth.
We're basically saying the same thing
Apple has done the right thing if they want to encourage customers to upgrade their phones and make a profit.. unfortunately they've crapped on customers in the process. It's all about greed.
We're basically saying the same thing
Apple has done the right thing if they want to encourage customers to upgrade their phones and make a profit.. unfortunately they've crapped on customers in the process. It's all about greed.
They're a business, they're supposed to be profit driven. The thing is the 2G user base is very small compared to the 3G and 3GS user base, specially since the 2G was never sold internationally (besides the UK). And, of that small 2G user base, even though they complain and don't like this decision, most of them are likely to upgrade anyway at some point.
