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Dell released their newest Ultrasharp model ,U2723QE, U3223QE Ultrasharp monitor
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I run mine at 3360x1890. Granted I need the space for mixing and controls for audio production.
Experience the Future of Displays | Dell
Explore groundbreaking visual and audio experiences with the new Dell UltraSharp and Dell Plus Monitors.
Dell has announced two new business monitors, the U2725QE and U3225QE, which join the UltraSharp series and introduce an interesting innovation. The 27-inch and 31.5-inch models feature a groundbreaking IPS Black panel. While previous versions achieved a contrast ratio of up to 2000:1, these new models promise an impressive 3000:1.
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Nice to see the new. As we were discussing on another thread, the new line up raises some question. Dell's 2 IPS-based 4K new displays are 27" and 32", both at 120-Hz refresh rate, 3,000:1 contrast ratio, have Thunderbolt 4 and are 'hub monitors.' The 27" is around $700 and the 32" around $950.
Adding to the 'what to buy' confusion, Dell also announced the Dell 32 Plus 4K QD-OLED Monitor for roughly $800 - 32", 120-Hz refresh rate, USB-C but not Thunderbolt (near as I can tell), has 'spatial audio technology,' doesn't list as a 'hub monitor.'
Here's a link to a Dell page on them.
This makes the decision fork/tree for display shoppers in the $700 - $950 range complicated. I'll throw in a non-Dell contender; the roughly $800 ASUS ProArt Display PA27JCV 27" 5K. You get IPS Black panel, 3,000:1 contrast ratio, 60-Hz refresh rate but the lauded 5K resolution ('retina' resolution, roughly 220 DPI) preferred for Macs over 4K with 27" displays. USB-C, not Thunderbolt.
So, in that price range, what do you go for? The ASUS for 5K? The cheaper 4K Dell? If you're going to spring for the $950 4K 32" Dell over the $800 5K 27" ASUS, how compelling is the OLED and spatial sound option at $800?
If a key edge of the Dell is high refresh rate, how much is that because of gaming? A lot of gamers like OLED. In the 32" range, the new OLED is actually cheaper than the IPS black, plus you get spatial sound but lack Thunderbolt 4.
What do you guys think you would choose?
Adding to the 'what to buy' confusion, Dell also announced the Dell 32 Plus 4K QD-OLED Monitor for roughly $800 - 32", 120-Hz refresh rate, USB-C but not Thunderbolt (near as I can tell), has 'spatial audio technology,' doesn't list as a 'hub monitor.'
Here's a link to a Dell page on them.
This makes the decision fork/tree for display shoppers in the $700 - $950 range complicated. I'll throw in a non-Dell contender; the roughly $800 ASUS ProArt Display PA27JCV 27" 5K. You get IPS Black panel, 3,000:1 contrast ratio, 60-Hz refresh rate but the lauded 5K resolution ('retina' resolution, roughly 220 DPI) preferred for Macs over 4K with 27" displays. USB-C, not Thunderbolt.
So, in that price range, what do you go for? The ASUS for 5K? The cheaper 4K Dell? If you're going to spring for the $950 4K 32" Dell over the $800 5K 27" ASUS, how compelling is the OLED and spatial sound option at $800?
If a key edge of the Dell is high refresh rate, how much is that because of gaming? A lot of gamers like OLED. In the 32" range, the new OLED is actually cheaper than the IPS black, plus you get spatial sound but lack Thunderbolt 4.
What do you guys think you would choose?
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I would lean towards a Glossy display vs a Matte one. Are any of your options Glossy, or are they all matte?
The ASUS is matte. The degree of matte varies across display models. The ASUS has been out long enough at least one of the in depth reviews online discussed the matte effect with it.
I went back and fixed the Dell OLED price in my post you quoted; I'd accidentally put the roughly $1,100 Canada price instead of the roughly $800 U.S. one.
The prior 27" 4K Dell hub display the new one replaces is matte, and I think that's pretty much not only what most Dell's offer (at least in IPS; I haven't paid attention to glossy vs. matte with OLED), but what many non-Apple 27" 4K displays are. Glossy seems to be unusual in this segment.
I haven't yet found a definitive source for the new Dells, but I anticipate they will be matte.
RE: 27" 5K vs 32" 4K
After moving to a 4K 32" screen myself, I don't think I can go back down to the smaller sizes even if it's a bit sharper at 5k. The screen real estate is excellent if you set it in "6K" mode. I've got windows in all 4 corners and my main windows in the center.
After moving to a 4K 32" screen myself, I don't think I can go back down to the smaller sizes even if it's a bit sharper at 5k. The screen real estate is excellent if you set it in "6K" mode. I've got windows in all 4 corners and my main windows in the center.
The real question with the new U27 and U32 models is whether they will properly support 1-cable multiple monitor daisy-chained setups on Mac. The previous models were/are fantastic as a hub monitor but can’t be run in multiples through a single cable daisy-chain in Mac. Seems like it could be possibility with TB4 connectivity but the details are pretty sparse at this point.
Daisy chaining is supposedly possible with last year's U2724DE (QHD/1440p) TB4 monitor, according to some Mac users.
You can either daisy chain two Thunderbolt monitors using Thunderbolt cables; or you can daisy chain a second monitor using a USB-C to DisplayPort cable, meaning you can get the nearly identical/cheaper/non-Thunderbolt model (U2724D) for the second display. I almost went that route, but still couldn't justify the overall cost for being 1440p monitors.
Assuming these new 4K monitors have similar ports (the image in the article seems to indicate they do), I would imagine you can daisy chain these as well; however, it would probably be limited to dual 4K@60Hz instead of 120Hz due to TB4's bandwidth capabilities. So if you want 120Hz, each monitor would need to be plugged into its own port on the Mac anyway. At least that's my understanding; correct me if I'm wrong.
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There is clearly an extra type-C port next to the usual alt-mode input port, even if it is just a alt-mode output not a TB4 passthrough port, your daisy chain scenario 2 can work.
Your assessment on single cable 60Hz limit is probably spot on, that's also what I think. These are really attractive options for Macs now, particularly the 27" the PPI is decent enough, the hub ports are now no longer bandwidth limit by the older USB3.x type-C port, and then the rather high jump to 120Hz. The MSRP also hasn't increased dramatically, and it will be easy to find deals for Dell monitors.
Yeah, we're not comparing the U2724DE here though. The comparison is with the U32/U2723QE, which is a 4k monitor with a USB-C hub. There is Zero support for daisy-chaining on Mac for those models. Remains to be seen if the new version will support daisy-chaining for Mac even with the TB4 input.
Yes, I'm aware you were comparing with the previous 4K model that has a USB-C hub. I'm comparing with one of last year's non-4K model that has a TB4 hub and pointing out that it could be daisy-chained. I don't see why this year's 4K TB4 monitor would be any different in that regard. It's the TB4 hub with a downstream TB4 port that makes it support daisy-chaining with Macs. Dell's other TB4 monitors support daisy-chaining as well.
Reading the article again, it looks like they've indirectly stated that daisy-chaining will be supported.
I have the 32 inch since launch and the stand is fine i have no issues with it. And power management never an issue, I'ved used it with M1, M1Max and M2 Max Mac's both on USB-C or Displayport.
Only issue is the IPS Glow when using dark backgrounds, but using a bright background and having lights on kinda works around it. Hope the new one has less IPS glow.
The power management issues were (ironically) only with the Dell laptop I have. Fine on the mac.
If it's any consolation the studio display I have has the IPS glow as well. Glossy screen helps on for contrast though so it's a non issue for me really. I would rather like an OLED / Mini LED studio display though!
If the 4K120 mode uses DSC, then two of those can be connected as long as they use HBR2 link rate. A problem arises if they use DSC and HBR3 and macOS is not smart enough to allow dual HBR3 (51.84 Gbps) over Thunderbolt (40 Gbps) when the total DisplayPort bandwidth without DisplayPort stuffing symbols is less than 40 Gbps. macOS is smart enough to allow dual HBR3 for the XDR display when using a GPU that doesn't support DSC. I forget if macOS will do the same for other displays.
If the 4K120 mode doesn't use DSC then it will be limited to 8bpc and use near the full HBR3 bandwidth. Then the only way to chain a second 4K120 display would be to connect it with a DisplayPort 1.4 MST hub that supports DSC and DSC decompression, and you set the DSC target bits per pixel to 8bpp with a patch. The MST hub would take HBR+DSC and decompress it to HBR3.
The previous generation of these monitors required MST for single-cable daisy-chaining, which macOS doesn't support. Hence the skepticism and the "let's wait and see what will actually be supported before speculating on it" responses in this thread. Sticking a hub into the equation defeats the entire purpose of aiming for single-cable connectivity.
Right. MST daisy chaining is out of the question for macOS. We are discussing daisy chaining only with Thunderbolt. Even if the displays are not Thunderbolt, you can connect two to a single Thunderbolt port using a Thunderbolt hub/dock/adapter and the same restrictions I mentioned will still apply in that case for Thunderbolt 3/4. Thunderbolt 5 should have no problem with dual 4K120 with or without DSC.
I guess this question isn't even specific to this monitor but here goes: Anyone know if external speakers connected to the Dell via USB C can be controlled via the macOS volume control? The Dell is connected to the Mac via USB C as well. I guess it should be possible since it should be the same as connecting them directly to the Mac?
I currently have a different set of speakers connected to the Dell via Aux and as expected am only able to control the volume via additional software due to macOS limitations. I'm in the market for a new set and would like to be able to control the speakers natively.
I currently have a different set of speakers connected to the Dell via Aux and as expected am only able to control the volume via additional software due to macOS limitations. I'm in the market for a new set and would like to be able to control the speakers natively.
Apple displays may have USB audio that is controllable via USB.
USB speakers attached to the Mac or to a USB display will be controlled in the same way.
When the Mac's audio output is set to a USB device, the volume controls of the keyboard and the menu will be able to control the volume of the USB device.
Other displays have audio from DisplayPort or HDMI. The audio of an aux output of a display comes from the same source. You need a utility that can send DDC/CI commands to the display to control the display's volume including the volume of the aux output (unless the aux output is not volume controlled). BetterDisplay.app is one option.
If the audio doesn't have a volume control, then maybe it's possible to create a new audio output device which modifies the audio levels before sending it out to the final audio device. If Audio MIDI Setup.app can't create the device, then you need a third party sound driver like Soundflower or Loopback (though I don't know if they do what I'm thinking about).
I have been connecting my pair of KEF LS50w to various monitors' USB port, and they all behaved as if the speaker is directly USB attaching to a Mac, that the macOS volume control works out of the box. In other words, as long as the speaker you find supports generic "USB Audio 2.0", then it should be able to be controlled via USB hub on any monitor.
Then if not, you can still use the methods outlined by the poster above.
Then if not, you can still use the methods outlined by the poster above.
That's great. I have only ever used analog speakers and connecting those to the Dell will not allow any volume control. I have fixed that with software like SoundSource or eqMac. Options like BetterDisplay I think don't work with the UE2723QE because the output is not controllable but I may be wrong on this.
I have the Dell UE2723QE and am using it right now with my 2018 Mini.
The OS is Mojave (still) and I also have BetterDisplay running (free version).
I DO NOT have speakers connected to the display.
For sound, I use headphones connected directly to the Mini.
If I bring up the BetterDisplay pane on the menu bar, I see this:
You can see an entry there for "Volume (DDC)".
So it looks like BetterDisplay can control -something-.
Not sure if that would be speakers "internal" on the display or external speakers connected "through" the display.
The OS is Mojave (still) and I also have BetterDisplay running (free version).
I DO NOT have speakers connected to the display.
For sound, I use headphones connected directly to the Mini.
If I bring up the BetterDisplay pane on the menu bar, I see this:
You can see an entry there for "Volume (DDC)".
So it looks like BetterDisplay can control -something-.
Not sure if that would be speakers "internal" on the display or external speakers connected "through" the display.