The 8 plus is still on sale and the design isn’t stale yet as it only came out last year
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i bought the Xs Max 512gb (up from a 256 X) and every time i see an iPhone 7 i miss it.
i know it'll never happen but it might be time to wait 2yrs a do come back and blow everyone away with new tech and let excitement build up. they aren't producing anything mind blowing enough to justify these intense price hikes every year. hell the X upgrade was only 10 freaking months
i know it'll never happen but it might be time to wait 2yrs a do come back and blow everyone away with new tech and let excitement build up. they aren't producing anything mind blowing enough to justify these intense price hikes every year. hell the X upgrade was only 10 freaking months
Give us something new. Improve software mostly to me. Not sure what else they can do at this point besides small updates year after year.We see these kind of threads a lot, and I feel they are a bit nonsensical,
It's like a damned if you do or damned of you don't threads,
if Apple has enough stock to sell, and they don't sell out first minute, then everybody interpreted as there is no interest.
If they do sell out, they say Apple is purposefully making less stock available to hype the new iPhone.
They're all based on personal feelings
So, what do you want Apple to do ?
But their software is very behind.
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I look at the old phones and cringe of how bad the bezel size was. The home Botton was nice and all but a year with the X made me never miss the home button phones. I had iPhones back to 3g. The x made me feel bad about upgrading this year. I only did it because I basically got the phone for free and the max is super nice with the extra screen. Even though the software is super lagging with the max model im hoping next year software will see a huge improvement.
Well that couldn’t go on forever. The market is saturated in developed markets. Everyone has a smartphone and aren’t going to keep upgrading every year when there are such little gains. This is because technology has plateaued. You can’t reinvent the wheel every year.
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Sales were already flat before Apple hiked up the prices last year. Apple hiked up the prices in response to the lack of growth in the market.
That has nothing to do with this argument, and is the same that you think everyone around you is not upgrading.
I think the software is good, and I can do everything I want
what does the software do now that it didnt do in 2014? Less features on a full screen phone actually.That has nothing to do with this argument, and is the same that you think everyone around you is not upgrading.
I think the software is good, and I can do everything I want
Files app, iCloud Drive, drag and drop, scanning documents, lockable notes, Apple Pay, iMessage syncing in the cloud, customisable control centre, shortcuts, universal clipboard.
These are the ones I can think of off the top of my head that have been useful for me.
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i dont think they are killing the golden goose.
1) while the XS starts from 999, the XR is 750, which is rather competitively priced. if you look past the LCD screen, which still looks good, it's cheaper than pixel 3 and you get the iOS "benefits"
2) doesnt matter if the sales are stagnating or what, what apple is doing is price discrimination which maximises profit, and companies do this all the time
3) any company can justify price differences by making a superior product or product differentiate. quality, iOS, their ecosystem, integration across platforms and devices. how much is the question.
i dont think prices are the main problem for apple. They have always charged a premium, but i feel that the case for the premium has weakened over the years.
a) they are increasingly making profits from their services rather than hardware sales, so if their entry level devices are priced too high, then it will be tough to attract new users. maybe it isnt their intention to do so, but i wonder where will the growth be from then
b) apple is no longer that different from or superior to other manufacturers and OS developers. i feel windows and android have improved a lot, and some of apple's strengths, e.g. product quality, have also become suspects. look at their recent problems like their butterfly keyboard and XS' reception issue. i personally also take issue with their attention to detail on their hardware. The need for so many dongles is also hugely frustrating.
i) for earphones, why do I have 3.5mm on my mac laptops, lightning for my iphones, and usb c for ipad pro?
ii) for charging, why is my iphone still using lightning but my ipad pro and mac laptop using usb c?
iii) why do i have a usb b charging cable but my mac laptop only has usb c ports?
1) while the XS starts from 999, the XR is 750, which is rather competitively priced. if you look past the LCD screen, which still looks good, it's cheaper than pixel 3 and you get the iOS "benefits"
2) doesnt matter if the sales are stagnating or what, what apple is doing is price discrimination which maximises profit, and companies do this all the time
3) any company can justify price differences by making a superior product or product differentiate. quality, iOS, their ecosystem, integration across platforms and devices. how much is the question.
i dont think prices are the main problem for apple. They have always charged a premium, but i feel that the case for the premium has weakened over the years.
a) they are increasingly making profits from their services rather than hardware sales, so if their entry level devices are priced too high, then it will be tough to attract new users. maybe it isnt their intention to do so, but i wonder where will the growth be from then
b) apple is no longer that different from or superior to other manufacturers and OS developers. i feel windows and android have improved a lot, and some of apple's strengths, e.g. product quality, have also become suspects. look at their recent problems like their butterfly keyboard and XS' reception issue. i personally also take issue with their attention to detail on their hardware. The need for so many dongles is also hugely frustrating.
i) for earphones, why do I have 3.5mm on my mac laptops, lightning for my iphones, and usb c for ipad pro?
ii) for charging, why is my iphone still using lightning but my ipad pro and mac laptop using usb c?
iii) why do i have a usb b charging cable but my mac laptop only has usb c ports?
We see these kind of threads a lot, and I feel they are a bit nonsensical,
It's like a damned if you do or damned of you don't threads,
if Apple has enough stock to sell, and they don't sell out first minute, then everybody interpreted as there is no interest.
If they do sell out, they say Apple is purposefully making less stock available to hype the new iPhone.
They're all based on personal feelings
What are you talking about? The only thing based on personal feelings is your reply.
Apple missed the expected iPhone sales numbers. It’s all over the news.
That 'design' is 4 years old. From the front, it's hard to tell the difference. Other than the glass back and dual cameras and lack of a headphone jack, there's not much else different.
The problem is that an iPhone 6s or 7 can do everything an XS can from a functionality standpoint. Apple used to add real use cases every year. Think about Siri, Apple Pay, larger screens so more stuff was actually visible, etc. Now, the only real functional upgrades are in the camera. Apple hasn’t added a new use case for its iPhones for years.
Water resistance, dual speakers, OLED displays, wireless charging.
None of those is a functionality (except maybe water resistance). Texting, apps, Apple Pay, browsing work just as well without all of these. Real innovation is lacking now. Same as laptops, and people update laptops every five years
Are you trolling us? Everything’s so different, it feels stagnant. Nobody goes to the Apple Store anymore, it’s too crowded.
It’s like computers and the growth they had in the 1990s. Windows 95 really accelerated the modern computer era.
I used to buy $2000 laptops every 2 years. From 1998-2010. Eventually. The computer especially laptops have gotten so good. I still haven’t upgraded my 256gb MacBook Air 8gb ram 2013 I got for $1450. After 5 years. It runs well. Same with my $2500 iMac late 2012 model. Still runs great. It’s cause the processor is so good.
Same with the 2015 6S iPhone A9 processor. Really no need to upgrade if you have 6S. Just spend $29 on new battery and you are good to go.
So people are keeping cell phones 3 plus years easily these days. The real reason to upgrade is due to the wear and tear of the phones getting dropped 100 times plus over the course of 2-3 years. Eventually something internally will break no matter what case you have.
But if you baby your phone. U can get up to 5 years use out of it.
I used to buy $2000 laptops every 2 years. From 1998-2010. Eventually. The computer especially laptops have gotten so good. I still haven’t upgraded my 256gb MacBook Air 8gb ram 2013 I got for $1450. After 5 years. It runs well. Same with my $2500 iMac late 2012 model. Still runs great. It’s cause the processor is so good.
Same with the 2015 6S iPhone A9 processor. Really no need to upgrade if you have 6S. Just spend $29 on new battery and you are good to go.
So people are keeping cell phones 3 plus years easily these days. The real reason to upgrade is due to the wear and tear of the phones getting dropped 100 times plus over the course of 2-3 years. Eventually something internally will break no matter what case you have.
But if you baby your phone. U can get up to 5 years use out of it.
This is spot on! I went from being a long time Android user to the iPhone XS because I wanted a new phone and there were barely any smaller Android phones on the market because manufacturers are falling over each other to make the exact same 6+" notched phone. While the iPhone XS is definitely better on pretty much all fronts than my previous Oneplus 3, it doesn't do anything more really in my everyday use. It's a luxury I can afford but certainly not one I need.
I'm also a long time iPad user and while the new iPad Pros seem great, I cannot find good reasons why I would pay many hundred euros more than what I paid for my 12.9" 2nd gen model to upgrade. It won't support my current Apple Pencil, I can't use the same iPad charger also with my iPhone without changing cables and the only way it would improve my experience is it's a bit smaller.
At this point it looks like I won't be getting any new Apple devices for the next 2-3 years. The ones I have run and work great and my work Macbook Pro is a piece of **** thanks to Apple's poor design choices.
Apple went from luxury products to mainstream and now has climbed up to the luxury level but at the same time it's getting harder and harder to say that you are getting your money's worth. The competition has caught up in a lot of areas.
The 8(plus) might have only come out last year but the basic design hasn't changed that much since 6 (plus).
Because they weren’t £1000+.
I remember the days when an iPhone would cost £499 outright.
This is true. In fact, the X, XS, and XR has the same basic design outside of the bezels. Look at the from the bottom, side or back, and you would be hard pressed to tell the difference aside from the orientation of the dual lenses.
Judging by Apple no longer reporting units sold for any hardware, it seems like we may actually, finally be seeing peak Apple. Also, for the person talking about services, it was just revealed that Google is paying $9 billion this year to have it be the search engine on Safari. That number is about to increase to $12 billion next year, and I believe is reported as part of the services revenue. That would paint a far different picture for things like iCloud, Apple Music, etc if it were included in the same revenue as services.
Yup, exactly! Apple just announced they won’t disclose in the future how many units they've sold anymore. That only can mean one thing and confirmes what you said above.