Other Did Apple kill the goose that laid the golden eggs?

[The-Real-Deal82]

Of course there are more TouchID iPhones than FaceID iPhones in use. FaceID has only been around for a little over a year. TouchID has been around since the 5S.

It would be like saying that standard pass-code iPhones outnumber TouchID iPhones in the wild about two months after the iPhone 6 was realeased. It takes time.

It'll probably be 2 to 3 years before FaceID outnumbers TouchID, assuming flat sales and a 4 year replacement cycle.

I understand that. I was just pointing out that at this moment in time FaceID is not yet the most popular method used on iPhones.

FaceID has been out around 14 months so it’s not like comparing it to the passcode after only 2 months of the iPhone 6 being on sale. If you want to compare that then you should compare it to this month in 2014. The difference there is the iPhone 6 was hugely popular with a larger chunk of the market but FaceID has only been on an affordable iPhone for barely a month now.

 

[ftaok]

I understand that. I was just pointing out that at this moment in time FaceID is not yet the most popular method used on iPhones.

FaceID has been out around 14 months so it’s not like comparing it to the passcode after only 2 months of the iPhone 6 being on sale. If you want to compare that then you should compare it to this month in 2014. The difference there is the iPhone 6 was hugely popular with a larger chunk of the market but FaceID has only been on an affordable iPhone for barely a month now.

iPhone 6 was release in September 2014. So November 2014 is two months of iPhone 6 availability. I'm not seeing what you're saying.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

iPhone 6 was release in September 2014. So November 2014 is two months of iPhone 6 availability. I'm not seeing what you're saying.

The 5S had TouchID the previous September so two months after the iPhone 6 came out TouchID has been around for 14 months. It’s a silly comparison, I wasn’t taking it seriously or trying to draw anything from it.

 

[akash.nu]

I think you are exactly the type of customer Apple is banking on. Next year they will remove the notch and you'll upgrade. The following year, 5g will be in, and you'll upgrade. The following year which will be 3 years later, camera tech will be so much better you'll upgrade. Next, new battery tech will give amazing battery life and, yeah, you'll upgrade.

And what’s wrong with that?!

 

[akash.nu]

They could have put Touch ID on the back of the phone until it was ready to be placed under the display which it is ready now.

It’s not ready yet, it was only used in one of the devices nobody cared about and it doesn’t work reliably.

 

[Shanghaichica]

It’s not ready yet, it was only used in one of the devices nobody cared about and it doesn’t work reliably.

Doesn’t the mate 20 pro have one? It’s suposed to work well on that.

 

[craigio85]

They could have put Touch ID on the back of the phone until it was ready to be placed under the display which it is ready now.

Sure they could have done that. But they didn’t. They innovated and delivered a better solution rather than the clunky, makeshift solution that is widely criticised on other devices.

If you were to go out and ask iPhone X-series users whether they want touchID under the glass, the answer would be a resounding “er...why?!”

 

[zx128k]

Sure they could have done that. But they didn’t. They innovated and delivered a better solution rather than the clunky, makeshift solution that is widely criticised on other devices.

If you were to go out and ask iPhone X-series users whether they want touchID under the glass, the answer would be a resounding “er...why?!”

I'd quite like it, as an option.

 

[craigio85]

For me it’s just two options for unlocking the device. Having compared both I found TouchID to be slightly quicker and more reliable but both get the job done.

I’m not sure if FaceID covers more of their market than TouchID as I’ve not seen any figures but at a guess I would say there are perhaps more iPhones users out there with TouchID on their iPhones. I know I see more older devices at this point in time where I am and it’s known that people are keeping phones longer these days.

My point was more around what the average consumer wants/needs as opposed what they have now. Apple will have concluded from their research that only a very small number of users would continue to want touchID - and therefore it wasn’t worth the expenditure and effort of continuing to cater to that group by developing a dual solution to keep touchID under the glass.
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I'd quite like it, as an option.

But is it a dealbreaker? Apple are only going to cater for it if they think it is for a big enough group of people.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

My point was more around what the average consumer wants/needs as opposed what they have now. Apple will have concluded from their research that only a very small number of users would continue to want touchID - and therefore it wasn’t worth the expenditure and effort of continuing to cater to that group by developing a dual solution to keep touchID under the glass.

I’m not sure about that as I’ve never heard of Apple surveying publicly. They’ve gone years ignoring consumers on feature demands and have only really started to offer hardware features their rivals have long had in the last 12 months or so. I think Apple decide on what they want and try to drive the market based on that. Look at the headphone jack removal. Has it encouraged people to abandon wired headphones completely? Not at all. It did make the headphone dongle their single most popular product though which shows demand didn’t stop them doing what they wanted lol.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Sure they could have done that. But they didn’t. They innovated and delivered a better solution rather than the clunky, makeshift solution that is widely criticised on other devices.

If you were to go out and ask iPhone X-series users whether they want touchID under the glass, the answer would be a resounding “er...why?!”

Innovated by buying Face ID and using it to put another spin on face unlock which had been around for ages.

Notice that apart from Huawei, all the other android OEMs have continued with facial recognition and chosen to pursue the under the screen FPS.

I’m a max user and had the X before that but I would like a FPS under screen in addition to Face ID.

 

[adamhenry]

I'd quite like it, as an option.

IMO, it is unnecessary and I would prefer not to pay for it or have resources consumed by it.

 

[akash.nu]

I’m not sure about that as I’ve never heard of Apple surveying publicly. They’ve gone years ignoring consumers on feature demands and have only really started to offer hardware features their rivals have long had in the last 12 months or so. I think Apple decide on what they want and try to drive the market based on that. Look at the headphone jack removal. Has it encouraged people to abandon wired headphones completely? Not at all. It did make the headphone dongle their single most popular product though which shows demand didn’t stop them doing what they wanted lol.

A company of the size of apple doesn’t just work on their whim.

 

[craigio85]

Innovated by buying Face ID and using it to put another spin on face unlock which had been around for ages.

Notice that apart from Huawei, all the other android OEMs have continued with facial recognition and chosen to pursue the under the screen FPS.

I’m a max user and had the X before that but I would like a FPS under screen in addition to Face ID.

I’ve read enough user reports of the facial recognition on Android phones pre-iPhone X to know why they continued to support fingerprint recognition.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

A company of the size of apple doesn’t just work on their whim.

I quite agree. They don’t always get it right either and with every iPhone on the market there are trade offs to some degree.

 

[Shanghaichica]

I’ve read enough user reports of the facial recognition on Android phones pre-iPhone X to know why they continued to support fingerprint recognition.

They could have just done their own version of Face ID and abandoned the FPS.

The one on the One plus series is supposed to work really well, many reviewers say it’s faster than Face ID but I don’t think it’s very secure.

 

[ftaok]

For those asking for Apple to adopt the under-glass TouchID tech ... ask yourself this.

Can the suppliers for this technology supply 80 million fully functional parts in time for the holiday quarter and then 100 million for the rest of the year? Plus can they supply enough of these parts beginning in July/August for initial ramp up?

If the answer is no to either of them, Apple isn't going to use it. They won't use it until the answers are yes.

In the case of the FaceID components, the lack of parts contributed in the delay of the X, which is why Apple had to go with the 8.

Other companies can use these cutting edge parts precisely because 6 million units sold in a year is considered a success for them. 6 million in annual sales for anything with an Apple logo is considered a disaster.

 

[akash.nu]

They could have just done their own version of Face ID and abandoned the FPS.

The one on the One plus series is supposed to work really well, many reviewers say it’s faster than Face ID but I don’t think it’s very secure.

Security is the one of the major points to consider in biometric authentication I think, besides convenience.

 

[Shanghaichica]

For those asking for Apple to adopt the under-glass TouchID tech ... ask yourself this.

Can the suppliers for this technology supply 80 million fully functional parts in time for the holiday quarter and then 100 million for the rest of the year? Plus can they supply enough of these parts beginning in July/August for initial ramp up?

If the answer is no to either of them, Apple isn't going to use it. They won't use it until the answers are yes.

In the case of the FaceID components, the lack of parts contributed in the delay of the X, which is why Apple had to go with the 8.

Other companies can use these cutting edge parts precisely because 6 million units sold in a year is considered a success for them. 6 million in annual sales for anything with an Apple logo is considered a disaster.

Well if the S10 has an in display finger print sensor I would imagine it will sell a lot more than 6 million units for the year.

 

[zx128k]

IMO, it is unnecessary and I would prefer not to pay for it or have resources consumed by it.

We are already paying very high prices for Apple products. I don’t think it would make a difference.

 

[kwk1]

And what’s wrong with that?!

Absolutely nothing.
I'm just saying Apple knows how to play its customer base so they continue upgrading devices.
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I'd quite like it, as an option.

I have no experience with face id but I would like a front facing touch id. The Mate 20 Pro has it, I just don't want a phone with a curved screen.

 

[1rottenapple]

I used to buy a phone. Then adulthood caught up to me lol

 

[akash.nu]

Absolutely nothing.
I'm just saying Apple knows how to play its customer base so they continue upgrading devices.

Don’t every other manufacturers do exactly the same with every new model? Why’s apple being singled out there?

 

[kwk1]

Don’t every other manufacturers do exactly the same with every new model? Why’s apple being singled out there?

Apple is being singled out here because the guy I referred to has an iphone. Why would I talk about Samsung when the guy has an iphone?

 

[akash.nu]

Apple is being singled out here because the guy I referred to has an iphone. Why would I talk about Samsung when the guy has an iphone?

I’m just saying it’s not down to having an iPhone. Every company has to do the same thing to entice their customers to buy their products year after year.