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Disable Auto boot on M1 Pro Mac
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I don't have the answer @Technerd108, but I share the desire to let my new MacBook Pro turned off when I open the lid.
Another thing that bother me is that the MacBook also boots up when I press any key.
For cleaning for example, I want it turned off, but it is not possible.
Another thing that bother me is that the MacBook also boots up when I press any key.
For cleaning for example, I want it turned off, but it is not possible.
This is one of my main gripes about Apple: the seemingly random decision to not provide user options in certain areas, whereas in other areas they do. In the first place, designing the computer to power on when opening the lid or pressing any button is a textbook example of "a solution in search of a problem". But if they're going to go ahead and implement it, they need to make it a UI option (not something requiring a terminal command . . . and apparently they don't even provide that option). There are threads on this forum where magnetic devices (wearables, sleeves, etc.) are causing their M1 MacBooks to lock or power on, and there's no way for them to disable the Macbook from doing that. Not cool. They need to fix this. And of course other reasons have been mentioned, such as wanting to clean the keyboard.
You suspect wrong. There are many of us who would prefer our Mac laptops not to auto boot. As an IT professional who deploys Mac devices though I believe the real reason Apple has it auto boot is so it can auto connect to the MDM servers as soon as it is opened (whether the end user wants it to or not) and "phone home". That is also why they try to prevent you from turning off WIFI for long periods of time. It has nothing to do with convenience for the end user, otherwise they would have given us the option to disable it. I hate the direction Apple is going in! This is just another move that is forcing me to switch back to Windows. Apple is taking the same (we do what we want) approach towards end users that Microsoft did with Windows years ago that prompted me to switch to Apple in the first place.
Apple does most of their user interaction design based on what they think non-technical end users need or want, not IT pros. I think this is an example.
I get that you're frustrated, but you seem to be throwing out a lot of very conspiratorial and weird ideas here. MDM isn't a factor for the end users auto boot is aimed at, their computers aren't enrolled in it. And if your computer is enrolled in MDM, I can't see how it would matter whether it turns on when opened, it's managed by MDM either way.
WiFi - I have no idea why you think you can't turn it off forever. I have always been able to do so. (Perhaps there's some way to force it on permanently in a MDM-managed computer? That's about all I can think of. But once again, auto power on has nothing to do with it.)
Visible configuration options - Apple has been on a path of removing them for something like 15 years now. Like it or hate it, it's not a new thing.
Can you not accept that some people have other, legitimate reasons to open a laptop? Stop trolling, please, and just leave this thread if you are not interested in the subject, instead of telling people that what they want to do is wrong.
Hi all,
I have four, very minor, complaints about M1 MBPs, and was wondering if anyone has any solutions?
(1) The auto-boot on lid opening and the auto-boot on any key press, same as everyone above.
(2) But also I don't appreciate the auto-boot on power plugin. I shutdown the M1, close the lid, and sometime later, say when I get home, I want to plug it into power to recharge without opening the lid or rebooting the M1 MBP, but once the power cord is plugged in, the M1 auto-boots even with the lid closed. This behavior, as everyone notes above for lid opening and key press, is different for M1 versus Intel MBPs.
(3) After rebooting an M1 MBP, the keyboard is dark until one logs in to their account, but I can't login because I can't see the keys because the keyboard is dark -- a "Catch-22" situation for me: sometimes, when it's dark, I wish to login to my account but can't do it until I do it. This behavior also differs from an Intel MBP running the same macOS version as the M1 MBP. I can login to the Intel MBP, but I can't login to the M1 MBP (in the dark).
(4) For whatever reason, the "Wake for network access" doesn't operate the same way on M1 MBPs as it does on Intel MBPs. Sure, the M1 MBP wakes for its own network access, that is, outgoing traffic, but, at least in my hands, it does not wake on incoming traffic. For instance, I wish to wake an M1 MBP using "ssh" or "rsync" from another networked machine, but this doesn't work. However, I can use "ssh" or "rsync" to wake a sleeping Intel MBP running the same version of the macOS and on the same network. I literally have to walk down the hall to the room containing both the Intel and M1 MBPs, touch the M1 MBP to wake it but not touch the Intel MBP leaving it asleep, then walk back to my office and use either "ssh" or "rsync" to both the M1 and Intel MBPs. In other words, I can't wake the M1 MBP under the identical conditions for which I can wake the Intel MBP.
Any help/solutions will be much appreciated.
Solouki
P.S. Sure, I could "caffeinate" the M1 MBP so that it never goes to sleep, then I can always "ssh" or "rsync" to it, but that sort of defeats the whole purpose of sleep mode on a laptop saving battery power, doesn't it?
I have four, very minor, complaints about M1 MBPs, and was wondering if anyone has any solutions?
(1) The auto-boot on lid opening and the auto-boot on any key press, same as everyone above.
(2) But also I don't appreciate the auto-boot on power plugin. I shutdown the M1, close the lid, and sometime later, say when I get home, I want to plug it into power to recharge without opening the lid or rebooting the M1 MBP, but once the power cord is plugged in, the M1 auto-boots even with the lid closed. This behavior, as everyone notes above for lid opening and key press, is different for M1 versus Intel MBPs.
(3) After rebooting an M1 MBP, the keyboard is dark until one logs in to their account, but I can't login because I can't see the keys because the keyboard is dark -- a "Catch-22" situation for me: sometimes, when it's dark, I wish to login to my account but can't do it until I do it. This behavior also differs from an Intel MBP running the same macOS version as the M1 MBP. I can login to the Intel MBP, but I can't login to the M1 MBP (in the dark).
(4) For whatever reason, the "Wake for network access" doesn't operate the same way on M1 MBPs as it does on Intel MBPs. Sure, the M1 MBP wakes for its own network access, that is, outgoing traffic, but, at least in my hands, it does not wake on incoming traffic. For instance, I wish to wake an M1 MBP using "ssh" or "rsync" from another networked machine, but this doesn't work. However, I can use "ssh" or "rsync" to wake a sleeping Intel MBP running the same version of the macOS and on the same network. I literally have to walk down the hall to the room containing both the Intel and M1 MBPs, touch the M1 MBP to wake it but not touch the Intel MBP leaving it asleep, then walk back to my office and use either "ssh" or "rsync" to both the M1 and Intel MBPs. In other words, I can't wake the M1 MBP under the identical conditions for which I can wake the Intel MBP.
Any help/solutions will be much appreciated.
Solouki
P.S. Sure, I could "caffeinate" the M1 MBP so that it never goes to sleep, then I can always "ssh" or "rsync" to it, but that sort of defeats the whole purpose of sleep mode on a laptop saving battery power, doesn't it?
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Interesting. Then how do you clean your laptop without turning it on? From what I understand, you need to turn it off when using cleaners like alcohol or iKlear to prevent liquid from getting into the internals with active electricity running through the thing. If you've got any suggestions what would be fantastic.
Yes, thank you. For example, cleaning it - which you're not supposed to do with it on. Especially when using liquids like alcohol or iKlear or moistened screen and device wipes. That's the issue I'm having. Everytime I shut down and start to wipe, it automatically turns on as soon as any key is pressed.
This is a classic example of Apple's design ethos: it's either Apple's way or the highway. Apple chose to design their laptops so that when you flip the lid, it turns on. If you don't like that, too bad! Take it or leave it! Microsoft and their OEMs will be happy to take your $$$.
Something you may not realize is that "off" isn't really "off". Even in an Intel MBP, as long as the battery is connected to the logic board, parts of the machine (notably including at least portions of the keyboard) are always energized. If they weren't, you wouldn't be able to push the power button on that keyboard to turn the computer on!
There's also a mistake in your thinking here: Even if you did disassemble an Intel or M1 MBP enough to disconnect its battery and thus truly turn it off prior to cleaning, it would be a giant mistake to allow liquids to get on any internal components. Liquids dissolve all kinds of junk, and leave behind its residue when they evaporate. If a liquid reaches an unpowered circuit board and evaporates, the residues left behind can stay conductive enough to cause problems when you power it back up.
So you really, and I mean really, want to avoid having liquid enter the computer at all. When using a fluid cleaner, you should never directly apply it to anything. Use it only to slightly dampen a lint-free cleaning cloth. If the cloth oozes out liquid when you squeeze it or compress it against a surface, it is too wet. Wring it out and make sure it's dry enough to be safe before using it on the computer.
As a side benefit, this proper cleaning technique makes it safe to clean the computer while it's on. Which (as I mention above), it always is to some extent, even Intel MBPs.
This is dictatorial. There are use cases where you don't want to constantly close and open the laptop. We are many users who prefer to choose when to turn on the laptop regardless of when we open the lid. There is a middle point in the hinge travel where the laptop turns on even though you don't want it to. I wish I could open my laptop, go to something else and it hadn't turned on. I can have the intention to buy but not for that reason want to buy something.
The reason that I was requiring the auto function off is because I travel to work by helicopter and the helicopter company want you to switch of your laptop then close the lid and open again to make sure it does not boot up.
I have tried the terminal SUDO NVRAM AUTOBOOT=%00 but does not work on M1
I have tried the terminal SUDO NVRAM AUTOBOOT=%00 but does not work on M1
My fridge lights up automatically when I open it. I hate it. I wish I could open my fridge, go do something else entirely, and THEN go back, power the lightbulb, and pick whatever I want from it. There's no reason why these two actions should be coupled! \s
If Apple made cars, they would start when you open the bonnet or side doors...
It seems to me that there is still no solution. To those who say there is no need for such an option why do you feel the need to make others feel stupid? A refrigerator should automatically turn on a light so you can see what is inside otherwise you would not be able to use the refrigerator and since you have opened the door it is like you pressed the power button and chose to get something from the fridge. It is a bad analogy.
There are many good reasons why we should have the option of an autoboot feature or not. I would like to ask a question? What reasons do you have that people should NOT have the option to decide whether they want autoboot or not?
It would be such a simple change for Apple to make and no reason I can see why they wouldn't?
There are many good reasons why we should have the option of an autoboot feature or not. I would like to ask a question? What reasons do you have that people should NOT have the option to decide whether they want autoboot or not?
It would be such a simple change for Apple to make and no reason I can see why they wouldn't?
100%. This is almost as maddening as the fanboys in this thread blindly defending Apple. Instead a few lines of code to make this a simple toggle for users, I need to run my MBP down to zero battery just to clean the keyboard. Ugh.
I understand that you want things your way and can state reasons, but I think the refrigerator is a perfect analogy. The computer should automatically boot because otherwise you won’t be able to use the computer and since you opened the lid you’ve clearly demonstrated intent to use the machine—just like the refrigerator.
It is not about having things my way. I don't know where you got that from? I just want a choice. It is not bending Apple to my will it is just a simple toggle switch that could be added to the software. There are very practical reasons why one does not want auto boot. The refrigerator is completely different because even though opening the lid of the laptop could indicate the user wants to power on but it could indicate a number of other things. Besides cleaning the refrigerator there is no reason you would open the door of a refrigerator besides to get something from it. So the two are still different in my opinion. And if you are going to get something from the refrigerator then you are going to need to see. If I want to clean my MBP, I don't want it to accidently turn on in a backpack or other traveling situation and on and on.......
People are poking some fun at you because this is such a trivial, unimportant thing to be so passionate about. It's not a big deal. You can learn to live with it, it won't be hard.
The first person who's given a real reason to be displeased is the guy who rides to work in a helicopter, and even there one could argue the problem is the helicopter charter company's inflexible policies.
If you want to take a walk on the wild side, consider just using sleep. Close the lid to stop using the computer, open it when you need it again. It's the way Apple has designed laptop Macs to be used for at least 20 years. Turning computers all the way off is for chumps.
Also... what do you hope to accomplish in this thread any more? It's clear nobody posting here has the power to help you, or to change Apple's mind. Go use Apple's feedback form, let them know you're displeased. That's your best chance of getting what you want.