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fischersd

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Oct 23, 2014
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I still can't get over the 5 seconds. Most of us are lunging after them when they fall....did you press down on it with a yard stick and flush it before you fished it out?
 

Applejuiced

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Apr 16, 2008
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At the iPhone hacks section.
No such law but it's false advertising in my book. Apple touts the water resistance as a major feature so refusing to cover a defective unit that doesn't live up to the IP67 rating due to a manufacturing defect is wrong.

What defective unit? You guys keep talking about defective units not covered?
How do you know or prove its defective or the customer didn't push it too much and abused his device?
You can't. That's why they cannot warranty something like that. Water resistance is not complete water proof coverage.
If you don't like it then don't buy it or try to sue and see how far you'd get;)
 
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JayLenochiniMac

macrumors G5
Nov 7, 2007
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What defective unit? You guys keep talking about defective units not covered?
How do you know or prove its defective or the customer didn't push it too much and abused his device?
You can't. That's why they cannot warranty something like that. Water resistance is not complete water proof coverage.
If you don't like it then don't buy it or try to sue and see how far you'd get;)

We're talking strictly about the OP's case. It was dropped without much impact and got submerged for only 5 seconds.

They also have no way of proving that the Apple Watch was taken outside the scope of the IPX7 rating, yet they regularly swap out water-damaged AWs under the standard warranty.
 

Applejuiced

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Apr 16, 2008
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At the iPhone hacks section.
We're talking strictly about the OP's case. It was dropped without much impact and got submerged for only 5 seconds.

They also have no way of proving that the Apple Watch was taken outside the scope of the IPX7 rating, yet they regularly swap out water-damaged AWs under the standard warranty.

Assuming that the op is giving us the whole true story...
A small watch that's sealed very well and a cellphone with multiple openings for water to enter and short out electronic components is not the same thing. It's more apples to oranges comparison and that's why Apple cannot provide the same terms as the watch.
 

JayLenochiniMac

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Nov 7, 2007
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A small watch that's sealed very well and a cellphone with multiple openings for water to enter and short out electronic components is not the same thing. It's more apples to oranges comparison and that's why Apple cannot provide the same terms as the watch.

Negative. It's rated against water ingress to 1 meter for 30 minutes, the exact same test as the Apple Watch. Otherwise it would have failed the test in the first place.
 

Taco1933

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Aug 14, 2014
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No such law but it's false advertising in my book. Apple touts the water resistance as a major feature so refusing to cover a defective unit that doesn't live up to the IP67 rating due to a manufacturing defect is wrong.

I don't think watch manufacturers would honor it either if they could remotely prove the watch had been dropped.

I just don't think people understand how water resistance actually works in the real world.
 
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jorsuss

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Jul 25, 2007
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Assuming that the op is giving us the whole true story...
A small watch that's sealed very well and a cellphone with multiple openings for water to enter and short out electronic components is not the same thing. It's more apples to oranges comparison and that's why Apple cannot provide the same terms as the watch.

This is the whole true story. I didn't see or hear much of an impact at all. The phone has been in a case since I got it and I don't recall dropping it in the 3 weeks that I had it. Maybe some soft impact from regular use like putting it down on a table or desk. Maybe putting a case on/off the phone could move the sim tray a tiny bit and affect the water resistance.
 
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QueenTyrone

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Sep 21, 2016
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If it was from the SIM card chances are you broke the non secured band or it got stuck and didn't work properly. Sorry op it's EXTREMELY easy to break that seal on the SIM tray
 

mcdj

macrumors G3
Jul 10, 2007
8,970
4,225
NYC
This just sounds like a case of the OP not pushing Apple hard enough in the original phone call or store appointment.

I would have escalated it to someone higher up who can appreciate the logic of expecting the phone to survive a 5 second dunking, based on the specs, and who has the power to make it right.

I would also have emphasized that water resistance was a main selling point for me, and that I gave up the convenience of a standard headphone jack without an adapter due to Apple's insistence on "evolving" and ditching the jack to save space and increase water resistance.
 

rainafterthesun

macrumors 6502a
Jun 23, 2010
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I've walked in the rain with mine, and it was pouring heavy...I don't use umbrella...just a hood and rain boots
 

Grayburn

macrumors 68020
Jul 12, 2010
2,310
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England
I've been in Portugal for the last 2 weeks and I've swam every day with my iPhone 7, in my hand and in my shorts pocket. I went down various slides filming with the phone into 5 foot of water and dived into 11 foot of water and it handled it all well.

Got many great pics & videos of my kids enjoying the pool.
 

Riley0818

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Sep 14, 2016
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Assuming that the op is giving us the whole true story...QUOTE]

THIS THIS AND THIIIIISSSSSS ^^^^^^

Let's assume the OP was being truthful. Ok. Now let's assume they aren't. Ok.

Now prove it.

Can't, can you? And that folks, is why Apple cannot warranty water damage. They can't prove what the truth is. They can't prove the precise amount of abuse either way, so to prevent a LOT of fraud (and let's face it, Apple is well aware of fraud after dealing with AC+ the last few years) they decided to CLEARLY state that they will not cover water damage under warranty.

Is it rotten of them to run ads on TV about how great it is to bike in the rain with your iPhone? Sure is! But as for why they can't warranty it? Well that's fairly obvious, rotten or not.
 

Applejuiced

macrumors Westmere
Apr 16, 2008
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At the iPhone hacks section.
I've been in Portugal for the last 2 weeks and I've swam every day with my iPhone 7, in my hand and in my shorts pocket. I went down various slides filming with the phone into 5 foot of water and dived into 11 foot of water and it handled it all well.

Got many great pics & videos of my kids enjoying the pool.

Wow, you are way more brave than me.
I would never swim with my cellphone no matter what kind of water resistance they offered.
 
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