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Mlrollin91

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Again you have to catch the defect yourself before you use the phone. And if you "lose" your gasket go find it and fix it. Your going to have to prove the water got through a case in the original posters dilemma and through the SIM tray before you opened it. The only real way your going to figure it out is by inspecting the SIM tray first. Anything could have happened to the SIM tray before water got in. Hell if you already had opened it before without fully closing it can cause water damage.

I'm literally talking about the phone coming out of the box with a defective SIM card tray. It's not that hard to grasp what I'm referring to. You just keep spinning it.
 

Steve686

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They do? I always read that water damage is not covered on the Apple Watch as well.
Yes.

My Apple Watch was replaced after water ingress near the crown button. I had AC+ But the watch was replaced under normal warranty channels after I took it to an Apple Store for diagnosis.

I was sent a SS puck in about 4 days inside a white retail style box, and not a brown box.
 
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Steve686

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Apple has to use prohibitive language in its warranty descriptions. If not, there would be multitudes more claims against the water resistance rating as people would be careless around water sources and expect a near new unit in the case of water damage.

I mean, here is an excellent way to get a brand new/near new phone under warranty near the end of one year for those looking to sell and upgrade. Owners 'drowning' their phones would be the new thing.

Also, as the phone ages during the course of a year, is there any possibility that the ip67 rating will actually degrade and be less resistant?
 

vikingjunior

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I don't care what Apple says about water resistant those internal metal parts are corroding with every shower. These so called water resistant iPhones and watches are going to have shortened life spans.
 
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Mlrollin91

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I don't care what Apple says about water resistant those internal metal parts are corroding with every shower. These so called water resistant iPhones and watches are going to have shortened life spans.

Phone probably yes, watch, I don't think so. I've showered with my every single day for 18 months now. Not a single issue.
 

ZombiePete

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Think you need to see your doc and make sure you don't develope hemorroids if you're sitting on a toilet for that long
Statistically-speaking, all I said was that the toilet was where I used my phone most of the time; that doesn't really give you any inkling as to how much time I'm spending on the toilet.
 

AppleFan91

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This is a tough subject and one that I think will continue to come up. I think it's going to gain even more steam as Apple has entered the "water resistance fray" so to speak. On one hand they advertise it with water drops all over it, have commercials where the user is in the rain and the phone gets sprayed by a sprinkle and it's unscathed. However, of that happens in real life and it's liquid damaged then it's on the owner. That being said, from Apple's perspective, how can they tell that it's from a rainstorm or someone scuba diving in the Atlantic Ocean? It's a tough one and I'm not sure what the right answer is, but I don't think it's to advertise something and if the product doesn't follow through then turn around and not honor it. Seems fairly misleading and a bit of false advertising, not just on Apple's part but all phone manufacturers in this case
 

Applejuiced

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You clearly didn't read what I said.
"They could submerge the phone and see where it leaked. They can then determine if it was a manufacture defect or the impact caused it."

They are never going to do that.
Just like they will not put software or hardware to detect or diagnose drops and water pressure or any such crazy things mentioned earlier.
Because they dont have to and they dont want to open themselves up to everyone causing liquid damage to their phones and getting replacements for free.
It is what it is. You accept the terms and conditions or you buy something else.
 

Slimmyhendrix

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I dropped by IP6 in the toilet (actually fell out of my sweat pants pocket) and dried it off and hair dried it and been working fine for almost a year now.
Total BS if this isn't warranty on a 7 which claims "water resistant"
unless its a "****" charge for brown water lol
 

JayLenochiniMac

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Nov 7, 2007
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This is an obvious case of a manufacturing defect, yet they refused to cover it under warranty. It's one thing for someone to deliberately take it swimming or shower with it, but it should survive a 5 second accidental dunk in water.

I predict a class action lawsuit.
 

dk001

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They are never going to do that.
Just like they will not put software or hardware to detect or diagnose drops and water pressure or any such crazy things mentioned earlier.
Because they dont have to and they dont want to open themselves up to everyone causing liquid damage to their phones and getting replacements for free.
It is what it is. You accept the terms and conditions or you buy something else.

While I agree in part, where do the latest round of Apple commercials fit in? Taken at face value they (Apple) is encouraging this type "ignore the water" behavior.
Commercials need a disclaimer at min.
 

Alexrat1996

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So I dropped it in the toilet and it was fully submerged in water for 5 seconds. Wiped it off and it was working ok. The screen started to go directly to sleep and wouldn't let me unlock the phone. Went to a black screen, and then a restore to itunes screen. Then it got extremely hot until it finally went dead and never came back on. Left it off overnight and tried to plug it in but still nothing. Not charging or being recognized by the computer. I took my SIM card out to put it in my old phone and the tray was wet. I'm guessing that water got into the phone and could not get out because of the water resistance. Now I have to pay $99 and wait for them to even get a replacement phone in stock. Definietly accidental damage and my fault but the water resistance of this is disappointing. Apple just called while I was finishing this post to let me know the replacement is in stock. 2 days isn't bad to wait I guess.
Which color was the replacement
 

Riley0818

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While I agree in part, where do the latest round of Apple commercials fit in? Taken at face value they (Apple) is encouraging this type "ignore the water" behavior.
Commercials need a disclaimer at min.

Agreed!

If Apple doesn't want to honor warranty claims against water damage (which is absolutely their right), that's great, but why on EARTH would you air commercials where users are literally biking through pouring rain without a care in the world??? It's demonstrating a use for the product. If the product then fails as a direct result of doing the same thing, they tell you to pound sand?

I'd be fine if it weren't for the commercials.

If all they did was say "hey, to give you a fighting chance we did XYZ" that's one thing, but this dude straps in and rides out into the pouring rain. He doesn't "accidently get caught in it" and his phone luckily survives. They show him doing it ON PURPOSE.

They will get sued. It won't matter, but they will.
 

Applejuiced

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Apr 16, 2008
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At the iPhone hacks section.
While I agree in part, where do the latest round of Apple commercials fit in? Taken at face value they (Apple) is encouraging this type "ignore the water" behavior.
Commercials need a disclaimer at min.

I hear you.
It shows resistance but doesn't state anything like a guarantee or if it breaks we will cover it type of thing.
It's basically at your own risk.
And I'm not willing to risk it:)
 

highdefjunkie

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The reason why Apple won't cover water damage is plain and simple.

How in the world are they going to know the difference between someone dropping it in the toilet or 35 ft. in a lake? Impossible.
 

Mlrollin91

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The reason why Apple won't cover water damage is plain and simple.

How in the world are they going to know the difference between someone dropping it in the toilet or 35 ft. in a lake? Impossible.

As mentioned throughout this thread they could use the accelerometer and barometer. Easy.

And obviously no one is recovering a phone that went down 35ft in under 30 minutes. You would need scuba gear.
 

Steve686

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The reason why Apple won't cover water damage is plain and simple.

How in the world are they going to know the difference between someone dropping it in the toilet or 35 ft. in a lake? Impossible.
I wonder if the installed barometric sensor would disclose water pressure against the sensor since it is sealed if a diagnostic were performed?
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As mentioned throughout this thread they could use the accelerometer and barometer. Easy.

And obviously no one is recovering a phone that went down 35ft in under 30 minutes. You would need scuba gear.
I was posting a question about the barometer as well.

35 feet is pretty easy. I free dive and scuba dive. 35 feet and back in about 20 seconds no scuba gear. Most spearos can do 85-100 feet for 2 minutes with minimal effort.
 

Mlrollin91

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Nov 20, 2008
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I wonder if the installed barometric sensor would disclose water pressure against the sensor since it is sealed if a diagnostic were performed?
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I was posting a question about the barometer as well.

35 feet is pretty easy. I free dive and scuba dive. 35 feet and back in about 20 seconds no scuba gear. Most spearos can do 85-100 feet for 2 minutes with minimal effort.

The average person cannot just swim down to 35 feet and then back up to retrieve a phone. So that example given by the poster is unrealistic and the pressure of 35 feet would be obvious on the phone. Now 10 feet, thats a different story. But the barometer, if set up to do so, could easily track a 10ft decent and the pressure of 10ft of water.
 

Steve686

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The average person cannot just swim down to 35 feet and then back up to retrieve a phone. So that example given by the poster is unrealistic and the pressure of 35 feet would be obvious on the phone. Now 10 feet, thats a different story. But the barometer, if set up to do so, could easily track a 10ft decent and the pressure of 10ft of water.
Depth is no joke. I've seen some shallow blackouts by free divers in 15feet while lobstering.

I really do like having steel 100s @ 3500psi on my back when under.
 
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