Par for the course around here, it's cringeworthy to say the least.
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Do You Like Tim Cook?
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I have absolutely no opinion on the man, because I don’t know him as a person. Something I’ve learned over my 30 years a working man is that the face you put on for work can be very different from who you really are.
Personal example would be in a firm I worked in for nearly 4 years my boss in my reference referred to me as having a liking for everyone in the department. Fact of the matter was I loathed them all.
Personal example would be in a firm I worked in for nearly 4 years my boss in my reference referred to me as having a liking for everyone in the department. Fact of the matter was I loathed them all.
Apple has become a highly profitable company under Tim Cook. If I speak from the perspective of a stakeholder, I would like him. Under his leadership, Apple has been effective in using virtue marketing to manipulate and exploit customers, emphasizing things like privacy, the environment, and various social causes, whether they actually believe in these things or not. In the current social climate, this strategy is smart and effective.
However, as a customer I do not like him. To me Apple has become cold, incompetent, and hypocritical. Many of their decisions are customer hostile, including product lineups and pricing. And its virtue marketing tries to make me believe that they are one of the good guys. I do not believe that for one minute. Apple is in it only for themselves. And this is what they should do as a business. Apple is not my friend. It's a business here to only make money. But then I also need to look out for myself as a customer.
However, as a customer I do not like him. To me Apple has become cold, incompetent, and hypocritical. Many of their decisions are customer hostile, including product lineups and pricing. And its virtue marketing tries to make me believe that they are one of the good guys. I do not believe that for one minute. Apple is in it only for themselves. And this is what they should do as a business. Apple is not my friend. It's a business here to only make money. But then I also need to look out for myself as a customer.
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Why the slam? I thought this was an adult conversation.
Which decisions are anti-consumer?
The customers buy the products and services in droves. That's what brings home the massive profits.
Or many customers don't have the same viewpoint as you.
The shareholders love the value of the company. I don't know shareholder feelings toward Mr. Cook personally.
Virtue marketing is about looking good. Apple does good and therefore they do not virtue market.
Really, so the tens or hundreds of millions of customers that buy their product are so stupid as to be manipulated and exploited...riiiiight.
Actually doing something about privacy, the environment and various social causes is exactly why apple is not virtue marketing.
It doesn't matter if "they actually" believe in these things or not, they have done them and people have actually reaped the benefit.
Clearly your prerogative.
Your opinion.
Again, no virtue marketing because Apple walks the talk.
They are clearly a company with some conscious.
Apple isn't your friend, but as a company they have great customer service. Almost every purveyor of this type of information corroborates that.
Sure, always.
yep. my 2021 mbp 14 has a weird mark on the corner of the screen. never returned it early in the year due to probably having to wait weeks/months for a replacement due to high spec.
and my 13 pro had a mark directly on the corner of the stainless frame. i got that swapped over though
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I used to like this man, but not now. The direction he has steered Apple in the last ten years has eroded and stolen its soul.
What a weird thing to be so hung up about that it’s ‘the last straw’.
Customers do notice and new sales of products have fallen.
Apple responded by no longer releasing sales volume, thereby hiding the issue from investors.
Eventually this problem will become so large that Apple won’t be able to mask it any longer with continually rising prices. Then the reckoning will come as all investors start asking questions and pulling out of AAPL.
From a financial point of view, Tim Cook is great. From an innovation point of view, Tim Cook is fine.
Can you be more specific as to which products had their sales fall.
They stopped doing this because their competitors didn't do it and they didn't want unit volumes tied to the stock price (imo). I agree with this move.
So more of "apple is doomed"?
I don’t like or hate him. I respect the job he’s done financially. He’s made a lot of money for Apple’s shareholders. I also don’t agree with a lot of decisions he’s made.
Apple isn’t the same company that I had so much admiration for 15 to 20 years ago. I miss the product centric focus and the risk taking. I’m also not the Apple loyalist I used to be. I still use their products but if something better came along, I wouldn‘t hesitate to switch.
Does OP realize that almost all of their complaints about Tim were decisions not actually made by him?
Apple isn’t the same company that I had so much admiration for 15 to 20 years ago. I miss the product centric focus and the risk taking. I’m also not the Apple loyalist I used to be. I still use their products but if something better came along, I wouldn‘t hesitate to switch.
Does OP realize that almost all of their complaints about Tim were decisions not actually made by him?
Biggest take away from this thread is that a *lot* of people don't understand what a CEO does, particularly in the kind of company Apple is now. The role Cook holds is almost nothing like the one Jobs had as founder, or as the head of a much smaller, less diversified company.
I'm not saying anyone should "like" Tim Cook, as if that's even a relevant question about anything, but some understanding of what he does would probably go a long way.
Everything of theirs that I currently own or use has some irritating foible or cataclysmic software malfunction. I also no longer believe any of their privacy claims and think Cook will sell my security down the river quicker than you can say “money” the moment he thinks that any legislation might otherwise lose him a sale somewhere. Suffice to say I highly doubt I’ll ever buy another Apple product or download any of their software ‘updates’. The company is now Apple in name only.
Good vote with your $$$. That is the quickest way to get a company to change and listen to its' customers.
Only inasmuch as Microsoft was doomed.
Honestly, I hope Tim Cook was just Apple’s Steve Balmer and we’re about at the end of his reign.
Maybe Apple will similarly transition to a much better CEO who actually has some vision.
And to be fair to Cook, I think he had some vision. I think the Watch’s emphasis on health was his idea. And that was great. But that was 7 years ago.
Tim has been CEO for almost 12 years. It's a good bet he is at the end of his reign (at least within a couple of years). If in your opinion Tim Cook is the equivalent of Steve Ballmer, that is a good thing. I'm sure Tim's plans are already with the board and they either know Tims' successor or are looking for one. Of course a "better" CEO is a very subjective thing, but there should be a low bar of at least qualified.
I like Tim Cook. I think he's an extremely hard worker and tries to do good. He's humble enough to know where his strengths are and empowers his teams to carry the product line forward.
In my view, his only mistake is that he didn't create an environment where creatives would thrive. He probably tried, mostly by giving Jony Ive a lot of freedom. But ultimately, I don't think he understood them enough to really understand what they cared about at a deeper level.
In my view, what Apple needs is a team of world-class operators that have a deep respect for design so that they can elevate the creative teams inside Apple as opposed to create friction (what seems to happen these days). The problem is that it's a rare breed. Jeff Williams is probably playing that role but you need a whole truck of them across every level of the organization.
In my view, his only mistake is that he didn't create an environment where creatives would thrive. He probably tried, mostly by giving Jony Ive a lot of freedom. But ultimately, I don't think he understood them enough to really understand what they cared about at a deeper level.
In my view, what Apple needs is a team of world-class operators that have a deep respect for design so that they can elevate the creative teams inside Apple as opposed to create friction (what seems to happen these days). The problem is that it's a rare breed. Jeff Williams is probably playing that role but you need a whole truck of them across every level of the organization.
Makes me wonder how many people don't like him just because he isn't Steve Jobs. Apple the world will never have another Steve Jobs. I agree that Apple isn't innovating as quickly as before but Apple is doing pretty damn well and I think that is from Tim Cooks strong leadership. Tim is the person that Steve left in charge, and I am going to guess that not many people in this forum worked with Tim like Jobs did and Jobs knew what he was doing.
In all honesty Apple haven’t made a tablet dedicated for artists and digital illustrators, like a Wacom but Apple and better. When you look at it like that it really is unforgivable in this day and age that they haven’t done this, yeah you can use a pro but the screen is way too small. I’ve been disappointed year on year because of this shortsightedness
I dislike him more every day.
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The world will have plenty of people like Steve Jobs, what Jobs did was cash in on what Bill Gates nearly perfected at Microsoft and Jobs tweaked it. People only associate with Jobs more because he wore a turtleneck and was more hip