I don't like Steve Jobs more than Tim Cook. I like my money more than Tim Cook. And Tim Cook is trying too hard to take my money while I often feel like I am not getting my money's worth. Therefore, I don't like Tim Cook.
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Do You Like Tim Cook?
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Well, I hope that I would care if someone like Adolf Hitler was running a company but Tim Cook isn’t anything near someone like that, unless he has a secret life that he has managed to keep private.
For me the phones work, and I tend to keep them until something on it fails or Apple quits updating/ supporting it. And on the updating side Apple supports their phones longer than other companies support their Android ones. If you buy a new phone every year or every 2 years then the higher cost of an Apple phone probably isn’t worth it. If you hold onto them for 4-5 years then an Apple phone is probably cheaper than an equivalent Samsung. I don’t know how Pixel compares.
The new M series of computers seem to be better than roughly equivalent Intel/AMD versions in laptops. About the same price but last much longer on battery and with better performance. But if you are waiting for a game machine you are going to be disappointed. Apple decided not to get into high performance gaming back in the Steve Jobs era and I doubt that they will ever change their minds. In desktops the Mac Mini is a good desktop but the 24 inch iMac is expensive compared to the other brands of desktops that you can buy, without being as far ahead of the competition as the mini and laptops are performance wise. They are better than a counterpart Intel, but not as far ahead and they are more expensive than a Max Mini. But a Mini you have to buy a monitor.
As for AR/VR or whatever Apple eventually releases, at the price point they are talking about I’m not the market they are aiming for. I haven’t bought anyone else’s goggles/glasses either. I’ve used them and so far they are a cooler idea than they are a practical device.
He’s a phoney who, if it weren’t for adjectives, would be entirely mute. He hasn’t uttered one original sentence since taking over. Everting is “fantastic, incredible, amazing…”, it’s rarely any of those. There have been more mess ups in one month of his tenure than in the entirety of Jobs‘ time at Apple. Bug, after, bug after bug…. What Steve ever saw in him God only knows.
in all honesty he needs sacking from Apple for the woeful flag waving at F1 yesterday
100% agree -- nothing about Tim comes across as authentic, particularly with how he overuses the enthusiast adjectives, to your point.
The Steve part is interesting -- One wonders how much of that became "Tim is good enough and he's already here and knows the drill" ... health failing and unknown timelines of "how long do I even have left" could have led to the decision as much as anything else.
Tim Cook is great at what he does. He manages a huge company, he keeps all the parts synchronized so that each year like clockwork Apple designs new versions of iPhones, iPads, MacBooks, etc. and produces hundreds of millions of them with few problems. This is freaking amazing.
I think Jony Ive left on his own. His work at Apple was done. The glory days of Apple design were 20 years ago. Now the devices are mostly slabs of glass, not much of a canvas to work on. Since he left the products have improved. Better keyboards on the MB, better battery life on the iPhone.
Tim Cook doesn’t design products. He doesn’t dream them up. Other people do that then Tim works with his team to figure out how to scour the world for resources to build them at scale.
Customer satisfaction for the iPhone is in the high 90% range. Each year the stock holders vote on management. Each year Tim gets approved by close to 99%.
You are welcome to your opinion but realize you are a tiny minority.
Remember that even when Steve was running the show Apple went as long as six years without a major product introduction. Remember the shower curtain iMacs? Remember the tissue box power Macs? Not everything was wonderful back then.
I think Jony Ive left on his own. His work at Apple was done. The glory days of Apple design were 20 years ago. Now the devices are mostly slabs of glass, not much of a canvas to work on. Since he left the products have improved. Better keyboards on the MB, better battery life on the iPhone.
Tim Cook doesn’t design products. He doesn’t dream them up. Other people do that then Tim works with his team to figure out how to scour the world for resources to build them at scale.
Customer satisfaction for the iPhone is in the high 90% range. Each year the stock holders vote on management. Each year Tim gets approved by close to 99%.
You are welcome to your opinion but realize you are a tiny minority.
Remember that even when Steve was running the show Apple went as long as six years without a major product introduction. Remember the shower curtain iMacs? Remember the tissue box power Macs? Not everything was wonderful back then.
Cook might be a very good bean counter, and Apple has become very profitable, but Jobs was inspirational, passionate, captivating, and Apple tried bold new things.
With Cook we don't really get anything new, just minor iterations of the same design. iPad Pro 2022 looks very similar to iPad Pro 2018. iPhone design looks roughly the same. iPhone 14 Plus is essentially an iPhone 13 Pro Max (minus Pro Motion, but same chip). I don't believe that Jobs would've allowed Stage Manager to be shipped in its current form. It's not polished.
With Cook we don't really get anything new, just minor iterations of the same design. iPad Pro 2022 looks very similar to iPad Pro 2018. iPhone design looks roughly the same. iPhone 14 Plus is essentially an iPhone 13 Pro Max (minus Pro Motion, but same chip). I don't believe that Jobs would've allowed Stage Manager to be shipped in its current form. It's not polished.
I bought my first Apple II around 1980 or 81. It wasn’t my first computer, I had a TRS-80 and a VIC before that. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates weren’t really competitors at first (in the 1980’s) because Apple made both the hardware and the OS while Gates made the operating systems for other computer companies like IBM. A phrase not heard much now is referring to an X86 computer as an IBM clone if it ran DOS or (later) Windows. Lots of people bought non IBM computers and it was the low cost and available 3rd party software that made them preferable to the Apple Macintosh. Computers weren’t referred to as Windows machines until Windows 3 or 3.1, and that’s also when IBM quit being associated with X86 computers and Microsoft took over, even though Microsoft STILL didn’t actually make a computer. Bill Gates and Microsoft became dominant as a software developer selling to a wide variety of computer manufacturers. Apple didn’t start becoming a thriving company until Steve Jobs part 2 took over a failing Apple in the late 1990’s.
Tim Cook joined Apple in 1998 as COO. Steve handpicked him as his guy. Tim was about to leave in 2011, Steve’s health was in question beforehand and he stepped down. I’d rather have Cook than Forstall honestly, Forstall wanted to discontinue the Mac and focus solely on iPhones.
When Tim joined in no way refutes my point
Health becoming a thing only increased the chances of Steve defaulting to options he already knew and trusted.
Another way to look at this is: Is this who Steve might have chosen if time/health were never an issue?
Impossible to know
It's also very possible (perhaps likely even) that Tim has changed over time here.
It's really hard to see Steve being onboard with a lot of the stuff Tim's Apple has done the last decade
And did you know Steve personally? Tim turned Apple’s supply into a logistical powerhouse. Clearly, Steve didn’t want another him, he wanted someone else and Tim fitted what he was looking for.
And it’s called money too. Shareholders want returns. Steve worked for them too.
I'd definitely boycott if Hitler was running the company--no matter how good the product. That's all.
He's a greedy capitalist exec for an American company. What's to like?
This fits perfectly… if we ignore everything we know about Jobs’ personality/character
As someone who's lost multiple close family members, very early, to cancer and ALS, I can promise you that things get strange and foggy down the stretch -- and people start doing things and acting in ways you'd not expect.
I myself have lost family members to cancer too , awful how much it affects and changes people.
The series 3 has only just been discontinued so shouldn’t be unsupported yet with features. That user might have a case to claim if what they are saying is correct.
Last time I checked, it was Jobs himself who appointed Cook. So, we should be mad at Jobs instead (I'm not mad, with either). Cook is only doing what Jobs asked him to. Or am I missing something?
But, life is too short to fret over these kinds of things, no one is saying you have to buy Apple stuff, there are plenty other tech companies out there.
But, life is too short to fret over these kinds of things, no one is saying you have to buy Apple stuff, there are plenty other tech companies out there.
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I, for sure, admire his energy and his drive, if the articles like "A day in the life of Tim Cook" are true, he does have lots of both, and, of course, his intelligence, you can't be an idiot and run a company like Apple - unless your name is Steve Ballmer and you end up running Microsoft.
However, I think we, collectively as people, should stop idolizing corporations and their founders or managers, it's not like they're discovering cures and giving them away for free, they're business people performing tasks, that's all there is to them, and corporations are not religions or sports teams, they're businesses trying to sell us stuff, the higher the asking price, the stricter the scrutiny.
I like his stance on privacy - yes, he's selling privacy, the same as every other company selling privacy oriented services - and I think it's important because, in my opinion, for the average user - who, in my experience, tends to be pretty dumb around technology - Apple is the best shot they have at preserving some privacy without having to look for more complicated solutions like custom Android ROMs or other softwares and paid services.
Regarding Mr. Cook, if you're and Apple shareholder there's a lot to like, but I'm a customer, I own several of their products and pay for their services and I'd rate Tim Cook's job a solid 8.5/10.
I have absolutely zero complaints for almost everything I get from Apple, my only two complaints regard:
However, I think we, collectively as people, should stop idolizing corporations and their founders or managers, it's not like they're discovering cures and giving them away for free, they're business people performing tasks, that's all there is to them, and corporations are not religions or sports teams, they're businesses trying to sell us stuff, the higher the asking price, the stricter the scrutiny.
I like his stance on privacy - yes, he's selling privacy, the same as every other company selling privacy oriented services - and I think it's important because, in my opinion, for the average user - who, in my experience, tends to be pretty dumb around technology - Apple is the best shot they have at preserving some privacy without having to look for more complicated solutions like custom Android ROMs or other softwares and paid services.
Regarding Mr. Cook, if you're and Apple shareholder there's a lot to like, but I'm a customer, I own several of their products and pay for their services and I'd rate Tim Cook's job a solid 8.5/10.
I have absolutely zero complaints for almost everything I get from Apple, my only two complaints regard:
- the MacBook Air, both the one I own (2020 i5) and the M2, I think they purposefully nerfed those machines' performances with subpar cooling systems, I think they could easily do away with the 13 inch Pro, have the Air with a proper cooling system and then the 14 and 16 inches Pro machines with more power and better specs;
- their pricing scheme, the amount of money Apple charges for RAM and disk upgrades is frankly preposterous and the price increases we had in Europe are hardly justifiable by inflation and currency value, the prices were not cheap before and, in my opinion, they're exaggerated, then there are tactics like not including charges or earphones, or, pretty bad, giving the M2 Air, a 1500 Euros machine, a slow SSD, or releasing a "new" phone with last year's internals, those are cheap tricks, even if they babble about the environment I think many people can see through that, I know that he's bound by law to act in the sole interests of the corporation, but there's a limit to how low you can go to make a quick buck.
I don't think I'm paying the "Apple tax", I realize I'm paying for superior customer service, better software - at least in my experience - and products that last longer and still outperform newer products from other brands; but, having said that, I still think those price hikes are very steep and Apple products are, pretty quickly, becoming unaffordable for many of their customers.
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And no one is forcing you to buy Apple products.
Yet here you are agreeing with a post that is defending that there should a class action lawsuit against an individual because the products of the company he works for aren’t exactly what you think they should be.
You people always sound like such winners, lol. May your blind hate of Tim Cook bring you whatever fulfillment you’re hoping for.
I think he was the best choice to run Apple after Steve's death. He's mostly done a good job but is now venturing into areas that are starting to rub me off like trying to further segment the product lineup for marginally extra money and clearly finding new areas of growth based on numbers and not what serves the customer right. Unfortunately he's not going to be let go ever until he decides to step down as long as Apple keeps bringing the profit in. What really worries me is who's going to succeed him. If it's another operations guy, then we're ****ed.