Do you plan to switch from iPhone to Android? (2016)

[Radon87000]

No you state an opinion not facts, Apple charges the same price as Samsung and has more features and a better ecosystem.

I am talking about the iPhone Edition. How many times should I say that. We have been discussing iPhone Edition for the past 4 pages here and it costs significantly more than Samsung. Samsung also plays nicer with my Windows PC and I enjoy more freedom on Android. In other news you still can't set apps as default on iOS or use 2 apps simultaneously. So much for the A10 processing power. What's the point if you aren't going to allow us split screen on a massive screen. You got a 10 inch screen and no number key on keyboard. That's embarrassing

Prices haven't been announced.

The clue is in the name. iPhone Edition= Massive cash grab

Actually the entire android ecosystem is a blatant ripoff of what came before it using that logic.

But I don't see the Android ecosystem charging 1K for these "rip offs"

By last quarters revenue seems people or customers think it's worth it.

I don't care what people think. Facts are out. The iPhone Edition has the same features as that of Android flagships except I costs $300. No amount of deflecting is going to change this

Except for last quarter when they lost billions.

Wanna bet what happens this quarter? In my opinion the entire profits in the Android ecosystem will go them. Again. And that's not considering the profits Apple gave them due to their OLED being used on the iPhone. Just like you said for the iPhone's lacklustre upgrades earlier people or customers don't care if Note 7 exploded.Other companies will continue to lose money and Samsung will dominate

Wrong at one point and not worth going through the others. YOU have Kodak to thank for

And you have Android to thank for Apple even considering to use it in their iPhones. No Android= Still stuck on 3.5 LCD iPhone

It will be all Apple.

But not the best App,e experience

 

[epicrayban]

Stunning! If that's the design then take my money, and take it over the S8 any day of the week. My only caveat is what they will do with that functional bar/area at the bottom. If you look at where the FP sensor is conceived and assume that's the height of the functional bar, that's freakin HUGE, maybe even larger than current iphones physical bezel/chin. I may not mind it so much in day to day use, but every time I wanted to full screen a video I'd be disappointed. But I'm giving Apple the benefit of the doubt and holding off on judgement until we see what the truth is.

I've honestly always been ok if Apple just reduced the side bezels to near nothing, reduced the top bezel as much as they could, but kept that bottom bezel to house the fp sensor, so it may not affect me as much. It still would be superior to that really weird fp sensor placement Samsung has that makes me cringe every time I see it.

Agree. It looks very nice. Just hope it isn't reserved for only a third and more expensive tier iPhone. I think that's a lousy way to catch up to the competition, creating even more feature fragmentation within a 2017 flagship lineup.

I'm particularly excited for the gesture bar too.

 

[tbayrgs]

Agree. It looks very nice. Just hope it isn't reserved for only a third and more expensive tier iPhone. I think that's a lousy way to catch up to the competition, creating even more feature fragmentation within a 2017 flagship lineup.

I'm particularly excited for the gesture bar too.

I can't keep all the rumors straight but I thought the latest was that while this 'Edition' model would have far smaller bezels, that Apple was not using curved displays and sticking with the '2.5D glass' (the very slight curvature at the edge of the display into the frame).

And I also agree about the size...wouldn't it be a bit smaller than the S8?

Regardless, it's a very nice design. I'm just really bummed about everything else surrounding these rumors---recycling the same basic exterior hardware since the 6 for two of the model and no large version of the 'Edition'. And I'm not really excited about the 'touchbar' element as I think it's just a more complicated mechanism for navigation---a la 3D Touch.

 

[I7guy]

I am talking about the iPhone Edition. How many times should I say that. We have been discussing iPhone Edition for the past 4 pages here and it costs significantly more than Samsung. Samsung also plays nicer with my Windows PC and I enjoy more freedom on Android. In other news you still can't set apps as default on iOS or use 2 apps simultaneously. So much for the A10 processing power. What's the point if you aren't going to allow us split screen on a massive screen. You got a 10 inch screen and no number key on keyboard. That's embarrassing

You have been discussing everything except iphone edition. The rest of your post isn't even on topic; as when I need a real computer I'll go to my Mac or sp4.

The clue is in the name. iPhone Edition= Massive cash grab

Must have missed the reveal.

But I don't see the Android ecosystem charging 1K for these "rip offs"

Except Samsung. Most of them don't have the support and ecosystem to provide a value add.

I don't care what people think. Facts are out. The iPhone Edition has the same features as that of Android flagships except I costs $300. No amount of deflecting is going to change this

No it doesn't, deflect as you may. We can certainly list "features" and see if that is true.

Wanna bet what happens this quarter? In my opinion the entire profits in the Android ecosystem will go them. Again. And that's not considering the profits Apple gave them due to their OLED being used on the iPhone. Just like you said for the iPhone's lacklustre upgrades earlier people or customers don't care if Note 7 exploded.Other companies will continue to lose money and Samsung will dominate

Samsung needs the revenue to offset this disastrous quarter. We'll see what happens.

And you have Android to thank for Apple even considering to use it in their iPhones. No Android= Still stuck on 3.5 LCD iPhone

Actually Kodak is to thank.

But not the best App,e experience

Best is all subjective.

 

[apolloa]

Pragmatism.

Apple isn't perfect, but they aren't run by idiots either. Unless supply of the iPhone 8 is so constrained, too high a price would dissuade most customers from getting one unless it was really chock full of extra features the other iPhones don't get.

My guess is that Apple currently has a plan A and B. Plan A is contingent on them getting enough quantities of all components required, in which case all iPhones shipped are iPhone 8 models. If they are facing supply constraints (e.g.: insufficient quantities of OLED screens), then we may see iPhone 7s as the normal iPhone with iPhone 8 in limited quantities. Essentially Plan B.

That's likely what happened with the rumours of the iPhone Pro last year (in case Apple couldn't get enough dual-camera modules).

My money is on this iPhone edition costing an extra $100 over the most expensive "normal" iPhone max.

I understand, I guess we will see. I would of also thought about the sales with a high price, but this is Apple and it's not been afraid to hike prices way high over the last few years, also reading the analysts comments and the rumour of the 'Edition' name, it for me adds credence to the iPhone 8 costing s high premium price.
Thank you for sharing your opinion though we won't know for sure what will happen till Apple tells everyone.
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I think the S8/S8+ are a fair price considering the screen size and 64GB of onboard storage. Obviously we are also screwed because of brexit.

Yes but the prices haven't been officially announced yet! Plus we all know Android handsets get discounted a fair bit soon after launch. Brexit is just an excuse, which is used to boost prices. We pay way over how much we should be for most things, but I'm sure they'll use it as an excuse to inflate prices further.. I think £500 to £600 is a fair price.
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Speaking of the iPhone "Edition"... https://9to5mac.com/2017/03/10/iphone-8-renders-photos/

This could be our best look yet at what to expect from the iPhone 8 [Gallery]

I know these are just renders, but shouldn't it be smaller than the G6 and S8? The rumors of the iPhone Edition is that it's closer in size to the smaller iPhone.

Also, if Apple really plans to have 3D scanning or whatever that was rumored earlier, there will be a lot more sensors on the front.

Pretty much looks just like a Galaxy Edge then... let's hope Apple doesn't totally rip off Samsungs design?

 

[Shanghaichica]

I understand, I guess we will see. I would of also thought about the sales with a high price, but this is Apple and it's not been afraid to hike prices way high over the last few years, also reading the analysts comments and the rumour of the 'Edition' name, it for me adds credence to the iPhone 8 costing s high premium price.
Thank you for sharing your opinion though we won't know for sure what will happen till Apple tells everyone.
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Yes but the prices haven't been officially announced yet! Plus we all know Android handsets get discounted a fair bit soon after launch. Brexit is just an excuse, which is used to boost prices. We pay way over how much we should be for most things, but I'm sure they'll use it as an excuse to inflate prices further.. I think £500 to £600 is a fair price.

It will never be that much. If only it were. I know brexit is just an excuse for greediness.

 

[apolloa]

Yep. There's no point in arguing with those folks. As I've said before, some will simply never understand nor appreciate certain features until it comes to Apple and their iPhones. And that's fine. They want to stay for their reasons and can wait until those features come to them. We all know Apple can operate on a different time table.

As for copying, that's also an outdated argument (in both directions). For example, if this is how the iPhone Edition ends up looking like, one can easily point the finger and say, look who's copying who on design now, but we've outgrown that point. Just as I'm sure we can still point to Samsung or Google for copying and emulating Apple on various things. We're at a time and place where everyone is effectively copying everyone else because the standards are changing. That's a good thing.

It's a shame Apple hasn't out grown suing everyone for 'allegedly' copying though...
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It will never be that much. If only it were. I know brexit is just an excuse for greediness.

I think your right... unfortunately... but give it a couple of months and their will be offers a plenty.

 

[epicrayban]

I can't keep all the rumors straight but I thought the latest was that while this 'Edition' model would have far smaller bezels, that Apple was not using curved displays and sticking with the '2.5D glass' (the very slight curvature at the edge of the display into the frame).

And I also agree about the size...wouldn't it be a bit smaller than the S8?

Regardless, it's a very nice design. I'm just really bummed about everything else surrounding these rumors---recycling the same basic exterior hardware since the 6 for two of the model and no large version of the 'Edition'. And I'm not really excited about the 'touchbar' element as I think it's just a more complicated mechanism for navigation---a la 3D Touch.

Oh, I'm not sure. I thought the iPhone Edition (aka iPhone X, iPhone 8, iPhone tenth anniversary) would have edge displays. Either way, it's got something to do with being near bezel-less.

And yeah, that's one of the comments I made about the rendering of the iPhone Edition -- that it should really be sized smaller than the S8 (and the G6). It should be closer to the regular iPhone size if the rumors are true.

Now that I have an iPhone that has 3D Touch, I completely agree with you about the "more complicated mechanism." With a few exceptions, 3D Touch is almost useless. Pressure-sensitivity adds a layer of interaction that just doesn't feel intuitive. Just like I hated depressing and applying pressure for a mechanical home button, I dislike doing the same on the screen. It's against Apple's simplicity and usual intuitive nature.

However, I think the gesture bar has the potential to be something more than that. Let's face it, a gesture bar is basically software keys (you can gesture on software keys, too. Remember the gesture-up move on the home button for Google Now or whatever it was?). A dynamic, always changing gesture bar that can offer consistent controls would be tremendously helpful for iOS. Particularly for a consistent back-navigation. The potential is there. I don't think it has to be complicated if Apple implements it correctly.

Completely with you about recycling old design and fragmenting features on the other two models, if this third tier special iPhone is true. I've been saying that since day one of these rumors. My hope -- and belief -- is that Apple will also at least redesign the 7S options to have glass back with wireless charging. The vast majority of people buying a 2017 iPhone will be buying the 7S series. They should not be shafted.




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It's a shame Apple hasn't out grown suing everyone for copying though...
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I think your right... unfortunately... but give it a couple of months and their will be offers a plenty.

There will also hopefully be great promos right out of the gate.

Also, I think if Apple stays with tradition and only upgrades the 7S options with internal updates, we'll see good offers for the 7S, too. Because, again, a three year old design going into its fourth year might not sell as well.

 

[Shanghaichica]

It's a shame Apple hasn't out grown suing everyone for 'allegedly' copying though...
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I think your right... unfortunately... but give it a couple of months and their will be offers a plenty.

Oh yes android phones always come down in price.

 

[apolloa]

There will also hopefully be great promos right out of the gate.

Also, I think if Apple stays with tradition and only upgrades the 7S options with internal updates, we'll see good offers for the 7S, too. Because, again, a three year old design going into its fourth year might not sell as well.

It's up to Apple though what offers you can get in the iPhone, don't forget they verantly control the pricing the iPhones sold at by shops and network providers..

 

[The Game 161]

Only major downside to android is poor resale value compared to iPhones. Certainly when I buy my phones each year

 

[spinedoc77]

Oh, I'm not sure. I thought the iPhone Edition (aka iPhone X, iPhone 8, iPhone tenth anniversary) would have edge displays. Either way, it's got something to do with being near bezel-less.

And yeah, that's one of the comments I made about the rendering of the iPhone Edition -- that it should really be sized smaller than the S8 (and the G6). It should be closer to the regular iPhone size if the rumors are true.

Now that I have an iPhone that has 3D Touch, I completely agree with you about the "more complicated mechanism." With a few exceptions, 3D Touch is almost useless. Pressure-sensitivity adds a layer of interaction that just doesn't feel intuitive. Just like I hated depressing and applying pressure for a mechanical home button, I dislike doing the same on the screen. It's against Apple's simplicity and usual intuitive nature.

However, I think the gesture bar has the potential to be something more than that. Let's face it, a gesture bar is basically software keys (you can gesture on software keys, too. Remember the gesture-up move on the home button for Google Now or whatever it was?). A dynamic, always changing gesture bar that can offer consistent controls would be tremendously helpful for iOS. Particularly for a consistent back-navigation. The potential is there. I don't think it has to be complicated if Apple implements it correctly.

Completely with you about recycling old design and fragmenting features on the other two models, if this third tier special iPhone is true. I've been saying that since day one of these rumors. My hope -- and belief -- is that Apple will also at least redesign the 7S options to have glass back with wireless charging. The vast majority of people buying a 2017 iPhone will be buying the 7S series. They should not be shafted.




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There will also hopefully be great promos right out of the gate.

Also, I think if Apple stays with tradition and only upgrades the 7S options with internal updates, we'll see good offers for the 7S, too. Because, again, a three year old design going into its fourth year might not sell as well.

Yeah most rumors I've heard have the ip8 having the curved screen, which is disappointing but I'll withhold judgement to see how the implementation is.

I agree that 3d touch on the iPhone is useless, worse than useless really. Now I have to actually stop and carefully press down just to get a long press! It's just a glorified long press, but now you have to keep track of 2 pressures. That's why I'm hesitant to see how the function bar works out. Apple either hits it out of the park, or they invent something lame that they hype up as the next coming.

 

[epicrayban]

Yeah most rumors I've heard have the ip8 having the curved screen, which is disappointing but I'll withhold judgement to see how the implementation is.

I agree that 3d touch on the iPhone is useless, worse than useless really. Now I have to actually stop and carefully press down just to get a long press! It's just a glorified long press, but now you have to keep track of 2 pressures. That's why I'm hesitant to see how the function bar works out. Apple either hits it out of the park, or they invent something lame that they hype up as the next coming.

I'm happy the major Android OEMs aren't rushing to jump onto pressure sensitive screens. As you said, a regular long press does more or less the same thing and is simpler. And also less costly since 3D Touch requires special screen tech.

Also, I still don't fully understand why Apple won't implement gesture typing in their native keyboard. Even if 3D Touch on the keyboard is used for gesturing the cursor for editing, why can't a non-pressure gesture allow for typing? Isn't the pressure sensitive screen subtle enough to tell the difference? Typing with one hand is dreadfully slow with an iPhone. And the iPad would benefit greatly from gesture typing too.

 

[tbayrgs]

Oh, I'm not sure. I thought the iPhone Edition (aka iPhone X, iPhone 8, iPhone tenth anniversary) would have edge displays. Either way, it's got something to do with being near bezel-less.

And yeah, that's one of the comments I made about the rendering of the iPhone Edition -- that it should really be sized smaller than the S8 (and the G6). It should be closer to the regular iPhone size if the rumors are true.

Now that I have an iPhone that has 3D Touch, I completely agree with you about the "more complicated mechanism." With a few exceptions, 3D Touch is almost useless. Pressure-sensitivity adds a layer of interaction that just doesn't feel intuitive. Just like I hated depressing and applying pressure for a mechanical home button, I dislike doing the same on the screen. It's against Apple's simplicity and usual intuitive nature.

However, I think the gesture bar has the potential to be something more than that. Let's face it, a gesture bar is basically software keys (you can gesture on software keys, too. Remember the gesture-up move on the home button for Google Now or whatever it was?). A dynamic, always changing gesture bar that can offer consistent controls would be tremendously helpful for iOS. Particularly for a consistent back-navigation. The potential is there. I don't think it has to be complicated if Apple implements it correctly.

Completely with you about recycling old design and fragmenting features on the other two models, if this third tier special iPhone is true. I've been saying that since day one of these rumors. My hope -- and belief -- is that Apple will also at least redesign the 7S options to have glass back with wireless charging. The vast majority of people buying a 2017 iPhone will be buying the 7S series. They should not be shafted.




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There will also hopefully be great promos right out of the gate.

Also, I think if Apple stays with tradition and only upgrades the 7S options with internal updates, we'll see good offers for the 7S, too. Because, again, a three year old design going into its fourth year might not sell as well.

Yeah most rumors I've heard have the ip8 having the curved screen, which is disappointing but I'll withhold judgement to see how the implementation is.

I agree that 3d touch on the iPhone is useless, worse than useless really. Now I have to actually stop and carefully press down just to get a long press! It's just a glorified long press, but now you have to keep track of 2 pressures. That's why I'm hesitant to see how the function bar works out. Apple either hits it out of the park, or they invent something lame that they hype up as the next coming.

See, I knew I wasn't imagining things. From the front page of MR:

5.8-Inch iPhone Expected to Have Flat Display Despite 'Curved' Rumors

So that adds a small glimmer of hope that I may get an iPhone later this year.

 

[epicrayban]

See, I knew I wasn't imagining things. From the front page of MR:

5.8-Inch iPhone Expected to Have Flat Display Despite 'Curved' Rumors

So that adds a small glimmer of hope that I may get an iPhone later this year.

Ah. Very interesting. So the special iPhone Edition will have edge to edge display, and not necessarily an edge display that spills to the sides like Samsung.

Also, it seems like everyone is following the trend of the 18:9 aspect ratio.

 

[apolloa]

I'm happy the major Android OEMs aren't rushing to jump onto pressure sensitive screens. As you said, a regular long press does more or less the same thing and is simpler. And also less costly since 3D Touch requires special screen tech.

Also, I still don't fully understand why Apple won't implement gesture typing in their native keyboard. Even if 3D Touch on the keyboard is used for gesturing the cursor for editing, why can't a non-pressure gesture allow for typing? Isn't the pressure sensitive screen subtle enough to tell the difference? Typing with one hand is dreadfully slow with an iPhone. And the iPad would benefit greatly from gesture typing too.

3D Touch adds inconsistency to Apples iOS devices, this is because only the iPhone has it and you get used to it, but then you use your iPad and you want to move the cursor to edit some text and....oh.... no 3D Touch.. 2 generations of iPhones, no generation of iPad despite the 'Pro' moniker.

 

[spinedoc77]

See, I knew I wasn't imagining things. From the front page of MR:

5.8-Inch iPhone Expected to Have Flat Display Despite 'Curved' Rumors

So that adds a small glimmer of hope that I may get an iPhone later this year.

Wow that's awesome news. A flat display will definitely push me towards the iPhone just a bit more. Really my only fear is how janky that function bar turns out to be.

 

[apolloa]

If the displays flat I'm even more less convinced the phone will be the same size as the iPhone 7 4.7"!!!

 

[tbayrgs]

If the displays flat I'm even more less convinced the phone will be the same size as the iPhone 7 4.7"!!!

Agree...the math doesn't add up. The smaller S8 with a 5.7" display is bigger than the iPhone 7 (I believe) and pushes the display right up to the edges (pun intended ). I don't see how a 5.8" display fits in a smaller package than the smaller S8.

 

[apolloa]

Agree...the math doesn't add up. The smaller S8 with a 5.7" display is bigger than the iPhone 7 (I believe) and pushes the display right up to the edges (pun intended ). I don't see how a 5.8" display fits in a smaller package than the smaller S8.

Here you go, the LG G6 compared to the 4.7" iPhone 7. I'm afraid it will be bigger then the iPhone 7

 

[The Game 161]

Agree...the math doesn't add up. The smaller S8 with a 5.7" display is bigger than the iPhone 7 (I believe) and pushes the display right up to the edges (pun intended ). I don't see how a 5.8" display fits in a smaller package than the smaller S8.

unless it will really be only 5.1 inches

just hard for me how a 5.8 inch phone could only have 5.1 of usable screen...

 

[Radon87000]

Yeah most rumors I've heard have the ip8 having the curved screen, which is disappointing but I'll withhold judgement to see how the implementation is.

I agree that 3d touch on the iPhone is useless, worse than useless really. Now I have to actually stop and carefully press down just to get a long press! It's just a glorified long press, but now you have to keep track of 2 pressures. That's why I'm hesitant to see how the function bar works out. Apple either hits it out of the park, or they invent something lame that they hype up as the next coming.

The only place where 3DT is actually useful is the keyboard trackpad. Majority of the time I just forget about 3DT on apps no matter how hard I try. I always forget peek and pop and to be honest it always feels like you have to put effort into 3DT whereas long press just comes naturally to me and doesn't take as much effort. It feels as if Apple just invented this concept because they didn't want to be accused of copying Android. Because every time I want to delete photos or edit them in the gallery or delete items the long press is just more efficient than selecting items and deleting them

 

[Shanghaichica]

Yeah most rumors I've heard have the ip8 having the curved screen, which is disappointing but I'll withhold judgement to see how the implementation is.

I agree that 3d touch on the iPhone is useless, worse than useless really. Now I have to actually stop and carefully press down just to get a long press! It's just a glorified long press, but now you have to keep track of 2 pressures. That's why I'm hesitant to see how the function bar works out. Apple either hits it out of the park, or they invent something lame that they hype up as the next coming.

3D Touch is ok. I use it from time to time but I wouldn't care if it was there either way. Also no amount of techno babbling about levels of pressure sensitivity will convince me that it's anything different than a long press. Long press has been available on android for years but it's never been used for much beyond rearranging home screens and deleting and selecting pictures.
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The only place where 3DT is actually useful is the keyboard trackpad. Majority of the time I just forget about 3DT on apps no matter how hard I try. I always forget peek and pop and to be honest it always feels like you have to put effort into 3DT whereas long press just comes naturally to me and doesn't take as much effort. It feels as if Apple just invented this concept because they didn't want to be accused of copying Android. Because every time I want to delete photos or edit them in the gallery or delete items the long press is just more efficient than selecting items and deleting them

I don't know Apple have always been quite blazen when it comes to copying android and touting it as their own. The iPhone edition if it's really called than and priced as high as the rumours are suggesting will be their biggest cheek yet. It's not luxurious and super high end it's what android have had for years.

 

[I7guy]

3D Touch is ok. I use it from time to time but I wouldn't care if it was there either way. Also no amount of techno babbling about levels of pressure sensitivity will convince me that it's anything different than a long press. Long press has been available on android for years but it's never been used for much beyond rearranging home screens and deleting and selecting pictures.
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I don't know Apple have always been quite blazen when it comes to copying android and touting it as their own. The iPhone edition if it's really called than and priced as high as the rumours are suggesting will be their biggest cheek yet. It's not luxurious and super high end it's what android have had for years.

What apple does is implement something in such a way it's a game changer. Touch id is a perfect example of that. And unlike android their features stay on their flagships and don't disappear and reappear from iteration to iteration. I don't care who copies who (because that entire conversation has been hashed and rehashed for years on here), as long as the device I want works the way I want.

I use 3DT frequently mostly on the trackpad, but peek and pop for email messages works well for me as well. Then there is the entire press to quickly compose a new message from the home screen, which saves time and a lot of clicks. To each their own on all of these things though.

 

[Shanghaichica]

What apple does is implement something in such a way it's a game changer. Touch id is a perfect example of that. And unlike android their features stay on their flagships and don't disappear and reappear from iteration to iteration. I don't care who copies who (because that entire conversation has been hashed and rehashed for years on here), as long as the device I want works the way I want.

I use 3DT frequently mostly on the trackpad, but peek and pop for email messages works well for me as well. Then there is the entire press to quickly compose a new message from the home screen, which saves time and a lot of clicks. To each their own on all of these things though.

Well I agree the key is in the implementation. I'm not that fussed about 3D Touch. Whilst as I said long press has been on android for years it doesn't do much more than arranging your home screen or deleting photos. Apple have more uses for a basic feature. They need to do more with it though/ app developers do.

At the moment I use it on the keyboard (trackpad), on the settings icon, to quickly check the weather and to act on notifications on the lock screen. Occasionally I use peek and pop. I always forget to use it though.