Vibrate is not the same thing as haptic feedback. And unnoticeable can be said for pay technologies, touch id, etc. I've run into people who actually didn't know you could unlock your phone with your finger prints.
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Do you plan to switch from iPhone to Android? (2016)
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I fully agree, I couldn't see Apple messing up something so important it takes up part of the screen permanently. But at the same time I can't fathom what would be so useful to merit permanently taking taking up screen space, although arguably on previous iphones the fp sensor took up that space. Lots of unanswered questions.
This iPhone will be a HUGE release and will eclipse sales of any other phone. It seems the more expensive Apple products get, the more consumers are lined up to buy them.
I would just treat the function bar as not necessarily part of the screen, but just a portion dedicated to software keys. Similar to how it is on Android. The function bar is effectively software keys, but even more dynamic. Imagine if settings of apps were always in the function area instead of sometimes within the app itself and other times in the main iOS settings menu. That's another inconsistency that bothers me about iOS. The function bar has the potential to correct these inconsistencies (including back navigation), which is why I think there's so much potential.
It just sucks that it'll likely only be available in a new, more expensive, and even higher tier iPhone. Effectively screwing 7S buyers this year. Hopefully, by 2018, Apple plans to include the function bar -- if it's even real -- in all its new flagships for that year. Until then, it's unfortunate for customers that this is how they plan to catch up to the competition and celebrate the 10th anniversary iPhone. Come celebrate... if you're rich.
I still believe the rumor that the 7S series will at least get wireless charging. Many people will suddenly learn to appreciate the benefits of wireless charging now that Apple's doing it. Go figure.
Regarding sales: yep. No question this thing is going to sell like hotcakes. People who held out on the iPhone 7 precisely to wait for the rumored 10th anniversary iPhone will come in droves. Much like when Apple finally released a larger iPhone that people were eagerly waiting for. As I've said before, Apple operates on a different timetable. This is good for them, not necessarily good for the customers. Apple will do what they do best this fall: make a boatload of money.
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I'm not sure I agree, with Android the nav bar at least gets out of the way with full screen stuff like video and games, and I would assume a dev could program it out of the way if their app goes full screen. There are also apps which allow you to hide, shrink, or otherwise manipulate the nav bar. Of course we don't know yet what Apple's function bar is, or how malleable it will be. But if rumors are true that it's permanent then it will be far different from Android's nav bar. What you propose sounds like basically capacitive buttons that Android has had for ages, although if those buttons dynamically changed that would be very cool, but still a waste of screen space IMO.
Put another way, if Apple put their Touchbar actually on the screen of their macbooks, taking away screen space, I think a lot of consumers would have been pissed. But I temper that disappointment with the fp sensor, which needs to be on the front. That's why I think I'll be ok with it, as long as they reduce the side and top bezels I'm ok if the bottom area is as big as it currently is, with the added plus of an underscreen fp sensor and whatever the function bar brings. But from the rumors it seems like that function bar will be even taller than the current bottom bezel.
Anyhoo just tossing it around, as stated before I'm giving Apple the benefit of the doubt. Nothing has swayed me from the iPhone 8 so far, 99% I'll be in line for it and not for an Android product.
Edit: I'm thinking more and more of the function bar, especially with how the macbooks incorporate the touchbar. Might be some good functions out there, and even just basic stuff like getting notifications there. Color me very curious, can't wait until some info gets leaked about this. I'll bet we start seeing some "leaks" in mid April right before the S8 launch.
For sure. It's all in hopes. As you and others have said, there's good reason not to get too hyped about it. Even if it exists, there's no guarantee it'll solve all of iOS' inconsistency problems. And even if it does, it might only be available in one model, which I think is the bigger knock. Not cool, Apple.
And you might be happy to hear about this: https://9to5mac.com/2017/03/14/apple-amicus-brief-google-fbi-warrant-foreign-emails/
Apple supports Google in resisting FBI warrant, says would set ‘troubling’ precedent
Google does fight for our privacy. In this case anyway.
[doublepost=1489505651][/doublepost]https://9to5mac.com/2017/03/14/oled-iphone-3d-touch-module-cost-more-iphone-8/
OLED iPhone 3D Touch module reported to cost 60% more to make, suggests iPhone 8 will sell at higher prices
Today, Digitimes is reporting that the 3D Touch module in the OLED iPhone will cost $15, an increase of 60% over existing iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus models. This supports the idea that the iPhone 8 will come at a premium, as Apple will have to increase prices to retain its margins …
Apple is expected to announce three new iPhones later this year. Two will be iterative updates to the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus, with the same external body, and the other will be the fabled radical ‘new’ iPhone design. This latter device is being dubbed the iPhone 8 although naming is never final, and has been reported to include a brand-new all-glass chassis, bezel-less OLED 5.8 inch screen, a 3D front camera, wireless charging, upgraded battery, integrated fingerprint sensor, virtual Home Button and much more.
Whilst the ‘7s’ devices appear to be on track for September, the most-anticipated OLED iPhone may not be available to buy until months later. This is apparently because the supply chain is not ready to produce all the new technology required for the normal iPhone schedule.
You nailed it @tbayrgs -- 3D Touch is leading to unfortunate hardware challenges and consequences. All for features that can, more or less, be achieved by long-press or other software-centric methods.
So the iPhone 8 is not only going to shaft 7S buyers, but it's rumored to be more expensive, be in limited supply, and potentially delayed (by months!) after the 7S. I asked this question before, if they announce both these devices in a single event, will this hurt 7S sales?
A delay by months also opens a window for Samsung and Google to introduce the Note 8 and Pixel 2 respectively. Not that I'm worried for Apple or anything -- I'm sure the iPhone 8 will still sell out and be in high demand. But at the same time, we can't ignore the greater landscape; by the time the iPhone 8 does land, these "premium" features will have become pretty standard not just in 2017, but in some cases, features that have been around for years.
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For sure. It's all in hopes. As you and others have said, there's good reason not to get too hyped about it. Even if it exists, there's no guarantee it'll solve all of iOS' inconsistency problems.
And even if it does, it might only be available in one model, which I think is the bigger knock. Not cool, Apple.
And you might be happy to hear about this:
https://9to5mac.com/2017/03/14/apple-amicus-brief-google-fbi-warrant-foreign-emails/
Apple supports Google in resisting FBI warrant, says would set ‘troubling’ precedent
Apple has joined Amazon and Microsoft in a court filing which supports Google’s decision to resist an FBI warrant demanding that it hand over emails stored outside the USA. The tech companies argue that this would set a ‘troubling’ precedent.
Google does fight for our privacy. In this case anyway.
[doublepost=1489505651][/doublepost]https://9to5mac.com/2017/03/14/oled-iphone-3d-touch-module-cost-more-iphone-8/
OLED iPhone 3D Touch module reported to cost 60% more to make, suggests iPhone 8 will sell at higher prices
Today, Digitimes is reporting that the 3D Touch module in the OLED iPhone will cost $15, an increase of 60% over existing iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus models. This supports the idea that the iPhone 8 will come at a premium, as Apple will have to increase prices to retain its margins …
Apple is expected to announce three new iPhones later this year. Two will be iterative updates to the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus, with the same external body, and the other will be the fabled radical ‘new’ iPhone design. This latter device is being dubbed the iPhone 8 although naming is never final, and has been reported to include a brand-new all-glass chassis, bezel-less OLED 5.8 inch screen, a 3D front camera, wireless charging, upgraded battery, integrated fingerprint sensor, virtual Home Button and much more.
Whilst the ‘7s’ devices appear to be on track for September, the most-anticipated OLED iPhone may not be available to buy until months later. This is apparently because the supply chain is not ready to produce all the new technology required for the normal iPhone schedule.
You nailed it @tbayrgs -- 3D Touch is leading to unfortunate hardware challenges and consequences. All for features that can, more or less, be achieved by long-press or other software-centric methods.
So the iPhone 8 is not only going to shaft 7S buyers, but it's rumored to be more expensive, be in limited supply, and potentially delayed (by months!) after the 7S. I asked this question before, if they announce both these devices in a single event, will this hurt 7S sales?
A delay by months also opens a window for Samsung and Google to introduce the Note 8 and Pixel 2 respectively. Not that I'm worried for Apple or anything -- I'm sure the iPhone 8 will still sell out and be in high demand. But at the same time, we can't ignore the greater landscape; by the time the iPhone 8 does land, these "premium" features will have become pretty standard not just in 2017, but in some cases, features that have been around for years.
It wont hurt the sales because if the supply is as limited as we are hearing then Apple is going to charge an exorbitant premium on this meaning most people will end up getting the 7S. Heck the 7 Plus Jet Black was getting out of stock for months before it stabilised. OLED, some fancy TouchID and second screen? Forget about it.
I am sure by the time supply stabilises for the iPhone 8 we would just be a few months away from iPhone 9
Apple does not believe a "software equivalent" of 3DT is the same thing. I agree, I like 3dt.
Of course, we can speculate, but the proof will be in the pudding the next few months. And as it was described by various articles that there was not much cross-platform purchases during the Note 7 debacle, the same can be argued, if not moreso with regards to the iphone.
OLED is enough for me! It's such a huge upgrade IMO, well worth it. Kind of sad we are talking about such a significant upgrade years after others implemented it. Lol, the life of an Apple consumer, always being happy about being behind.
LCD has grown long in the tooth for me when it comes to iPhones. When you look at Androids and their beautiful screens, the current iPhone screens are nowhere close. Imo the iPhone 7 wouldnt have been a boring update if Apple had just updated it to OLED as thats a big user facing change as we interact with the screen on a daily basis. The sad fact of the matter is that they could continue with LCD iPhones for at least a couple of years more and still sell a huge number of iPhones. This has completely stifled innovation at Apple
Well, to be fair, while the OLEDs on Samsung flagships the last couple years have been terrific, most other's OLED displays haven't come close to that level of quality. And considering those spectacular displays found on Samsung phones are made by Samsung and admittedly reserved specifically for Samsung phones, it's not like Apple and others have had much choice.
Apple's LCD panels have generally been considered to be the best LCD type displays and IIRC, were rated second best overall, only to Samsung's flagship phones. The OLED on my Nexus 6P, a flagship from just last year, is garbage compared to my last few iPhones. So yes, while I'd love to have an OLED of the quality found in the Galaxy or Note line, I'll take a really good LCD over a crappy OLED any day of the week.
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I agree and to be honest unless you put it next to a Samsung flagship the 7 plus is perfectly fine.
Good point -- if people wait but can't get the iPhone 8, they'll fallback to the 7S or 7S Plus.
I see you lot are venturing down the rabbit whole of Google selling your data.... sigh... oh dear.... you live in VERY enclosed worlds to worry about that.
Hope you don't touch any of those freemium apps then, or have your health records electronically stored, and always read the small print of every single thing you purchase or sign up to online...
Hope you don't touch any of those freemium apps then, or have your health records electronically stored, and always read the small print of every single thing you purchase or sign up to online...
If I left the iPhone, it'd be because I put my SIM back in my Elite X3 and stuck with it.
By the time the iPhone 8 comes back in stock we would be a few months away from iPhone 9
Indeed.
Been using SuperAMOLED since 2011, and no device has come close.
I must say when Samsung began upping resolution to 1080P SuperAMOLED truly shined, i remember moving from a Galaxy S3 to S4 and being truly blown away at how gorgeous the S4 1080P display was, then a year later Samsung brought the S5 with an even better 1080P panel, they actually made a jump from S4 to S5 without upping Res, it was something amazing to see.
Later that year I got a Note 4 with WQHD Display, I simply could not go back to anything less after that, to this day, give me a iPhone 7 Plus, that Display to me is okay at best.
The difference between an LCD and an OLED is equivalent to the difference between an 5400RPM HDD and an SSD. Once you have experienced an SSD, there is no way you would be able to tolerate an traditional HDD. Its good Apple's finally embraced the technology . Better late than never. Now what I am more interested in knowing is whether Apple manages to get the same display that Samsung uses in its flagships because although all OLED flagships look good, Samsung's display is still a cut above the rest.
Speaking of displays... https://9to5mac.com/2017/03/15/iphone-8-curved-oled-report/
Nikkei: iPhone 8 OLED display curves to be ‘gentler’ than Samsung’s, offer no new functions
Nikkei Asian Review has new reporting on how Apple plans to implement the rumored curved OLED display on the new iPhone models. The summary is that the curve won’t be as dramatic as on Samsung’s Galaxy S7 Edge smartphones and will be purely for visual effect rather than offering new features.
I always said, one of the best things about the Edge display on the S7E was how it made everything visually pop. It gave off this almost 3D effect, where the contents of your screen felt like it was floating above the device. I also said that it helped with things like slide out menus -- the curves just made it feel more natural. In fact, I argued that the software features of the Edge were the least interesting things about it.
To me, the strength of the curve display was always on the hardware-side: Beautiful designs; allows for far more ergonomic phablets; makes things on the screen pop; and makes sliding menus out feel more natural.
And now Apple could be looking to achieve the same effect.
Nikkei: iPhone 8 OLED display curves to be ‘gentler’ than Samsung’s, offer no new functions
Nikkei Asian Review has new reporting on how Apple plans to implement the rumored curved OLED display on the new iPhone models. The summary is that the curve won’t be as dramatic as on Samsung’s Galaxy S7 Edge smartphones and will be purely for visual effect rather than offering new features.
I always said, one of the best things about the Edge display on the S7E was how it made everything visually pop. It gave off this almost 3D effect, where the contents of your screen felt like it was floating above the device. I also said that it helped with things like slide out menus -- the curves just made it feel more natural. In fact, I argued that the software features of the Edge were the least interesting things about it.
To me, the strength of the curve display was always on the hardware-side: Beautiful designs; allows for far more ergonomic phablets; makes things on the screen pop; and makes sliding menus out feel more natural.
And now Apple could be looking to achieve the same effect.
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These are the same reasons I like the Edge displays, when you swipe left or right icons even have this "falling off" effect, lol, it's truly amazing, to this day when I am waiting e.g. for my work laptop to boot up or food in the microwave or at a restaurant I will sometimes go to S7 Edge app drawer and just swipe and watch the icons spill off the edges.
I believe the Edge has also made it okay to have a slightly thicker device, the S7 Edge is thicker than the S6 was, yet nobody battered an eyelid.
And if true, Apple likely just sold another Pixel 2 XL.
Unless Google also does curve screens. Can they get away with a 2017 flagship at the end of the year without one? Maybe.
More importantly, it seems like OEMs that are adopting curved screens are learning from Samsung's early attempts.
Samsung themselves have walked back the curvature. I foresee curve screens this year will be closer to the Note 7 curve (which was more subtle and felt and looked incredible) than the S7.