All I'm stating is that until now, if you wanted a larger display on an iPhone, you could buy a iPhone with the best hardware Apple offered in a smartphone. If all these rumors hold true, that won't be the case next year.
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All I'm stating is that until now, if you wanted a larger display on an iPhone, you could buy a iPhone with the best hardware Apple offered in a smartphone. If all these rumors hold true, that won't be the case next year.
And if you really want an OLED display, which is likely, the only real difference, and want to blow 1k$ on a phone? You're 200% right. Can't debate you on the new seat iPhone Plus being an older design with ONLY the best LCD on the market isn't remotely good. I just feel "shafted" should be used for things worse than that. You know, like what dell did to their Android tablets.
But it apparently only has 5.1 inches of usable screen size. I don't want 5.1 inches it's too small.
Text is definitely sharper at higher resolutions. Compare the 7 and 7 Plus side by side and you can easily spot how the 7 plus is sharper. Same should apply to that OLED model. And wireless charging is awesome. You dont have to fiddle with USB in the dark. Just place on the pad and forget about it. Its a convenience which is not valued until you experience it
Or if you want a bigger screen you need to accept a dated design and midrange specs.
Only difference? Its also gotten the brand new Apple design with a glass back and a curved display, iris scanner and an home button integrated into the display. If its 1K with 128GB storage its actually a pretty good deal. The 7S users are definitely getting shafted because had I not gotten the 7 this year, there is no way I would have felt satisfied paying $969 for an 7S Plus and the same applies to a lot of people.
By the way once you see a curved display in action with the images feeling like they are floating away from the screen , you would find the 7 plus display average by flagship standards
I have cats, they knock stuff off. I've had to charge up my watch in the morning because they've knocked the charging stand over. So I guess with pets, inductive charging (don't call it wireless) is less useful. But I guess for others, it's somewhat better than plugging something in. On the other hand, I can use a charging device with a cord and can't with inductive.
Also, how much sharper is text on the Note 5 than the 7 Plus? That's what we should be comparing, since everyone who is pushing for a higher resolution seems to want the QHD.
Midrange specs? The best ARM processor on the market right now is somehow midrange in your mind?
An Iris scanner that won't work in sunlight (as iris scanning depends on IR and IR doesn't work well in sunlight), a curved display that makes images wrap over the side (oh joy), and an integrated home button that we don't know how well it will work. Sign me up. None of these things are pointless. They're all going to make our devices better. We don't have to worry about edge touches.
@Everybody,
Don't get too hung up on the word "shafted," because I think everybody in the past few posts are actually more on the same page than not. Like Tbaygs said, it's semantics.
The real point is, Apple is finally redesigning and implementing exciting hardware features new for the iPhone -- something that has been sorely needed when discussing the iPhone as a piece of technology. The problem is, it might only be offered in a third, higher, and more expensive tier in a lineup that already fragments features. The Plus gets a better camera than the regular iPhone 7. Thankfully, those differences are rather small currently, but you can't ignore the fact that Samsung and Google offer no compromise options between the two sizes other than the obvious screen size/resolution and battery. Now to have a third tier that separates the iPhones even more? That's not cool from Apple.
Not only is that further fragmenting the lineup, but the 7S models are expected to get the typical 'S' update with little design changes and likely without most if not all the new features of the iPhone 8 model (aka Edition, 10th anniversary iPhone). That's where the being "shafted" part comes in. We're talking about what is effectively a three year old design being asked to last a fourth year. Will the 7S and the iPhone 8 sell incredibly well? Yes, it's Apple. I'm sure the 7S models will still get great internal updates and a better camera. But are the customers getting shafted when compared to what you'd get with the iPhone 8? Well, maybe that's too strong a word, but like I said, I'm sure you guys get what I mean when I use that word.
Lastly, you can't ignore where the iPhone 8 would stand in the competitive smartphone landscape. A lot of the new features to the iPhone 8 will have already been made more standard this year (by other OEMs) or will have actually already existed for years in the smartphone space (wireless charging being one example). But even so, it seems Apple plans to keep these features for only the iPhone 8, and not the 7S models, which are also supposed to be Apple flagship devices for the year. I said this before, this is not how I expected Apple to "catch up" to the hardware competition. This is not what I expected when the stories said they would be saving everything for 2017. Again, maybe we disagree on the right word to describe this further fragmentation, but the greater point is still the same: the 7S models lose out on what should really be standard features across the board for their 2017 flagship devices.
But, it's Apple. Apple operates on a different timetable than everybody else. Their profit margins likely won't be affected (if anything, we could see the 7S go on to have record sales. I still would never bet against Apple). But for the customers? I'm not convinced this is good for them.
Don't get too hung up on the word "shafted," because I think everybody in the past few posts are actually more on the same page than not. Like Tbaygs said, it's semantics.
The real point is, Apple is finally redesigning and implementing exciting hardware features new for the iPhone -- something that has been sorely needed when discussing the iPhone as a piece of technology. The problem is, it might only be offered in a third, higher, and more expensive tier in a lineup that already fragments features. The Plus gets a better camera than the regular iPhone 7. Thankfully, those differences are rather small currently, but you can't ignore the fact that Samsung and Google offer no compromise options between the two sizes other than the obvious screen size/resolution and battery. Now to have a third tier that separates the iPhones even more? That's not cool from Apple.
Not only is that further fragmenting the lineup, but the 7S models are expected to get the typical 'S' update with little design changes and likely without most if not all the new features of the iPhone 8 model (aka Edition, 10th anniversary iPhone). That's where the being "shafted" part comes in. We're talking about what is effectively a three year old design being asked to last a fourth year. Will the 7S and the iPhone 8 sell incredibly well? Yes, it's Apple. I'm sure the 7S models will still get great internal updates and a better camera. But are the customers getting shafted when compared to what you'd get with the iPhone 8? Well, maybe that's too strong a word, but like I said, I'm sure you guys get what I mean when I use that word.
Lastly, you can't ignore where the iPhone 8 would stand in the competitive smartphone landscape. A lot of the new features to the iPhone 8 will have already been made more standard this year (by other OEMs) or will have actually already existed for years in the smartphone space (wireless charging being one example). But even so, it seems Apple plans to keep these features for only the iPhone 8, and not the 7S models, which are also supposed to be Apple flagship devices for the year. I said this before, this is not how I expected Apple to "catch up" to the hardware competition. This is not what I expected when the stories said they would be saving everything for 2017. Again, maybe we disagree on the right word to describe this further fragmentation, but the greater point is still the same: the 7S models lose out on what should really be standard features across the board for their 2017 flagship devices.
But, it's Apple. Apple operates on a different timetable than everybody else. Their profit margins likely won't be affected (if anything, we could see the 7S go on to have record sales. I still would never bet against Apple). But for the customers? I'm not convinced this is good for them.
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I guess it'll be 2020 before I get an iPhone with an OLED screen then lol. I was planning on getting a 7S for my next upgrade and it'll be a year old by then. I won't cry into my cornflakes though as the screen will be plenty good enough for me.
I don't need or want an oled screen. And to that end hopefully the 7s has a better price to value ratio than my 7.
Just want to share some thoughts on inductive charging. Most of the concerns about inductive charging is made virtually moot by the fact that the charging port will still exist (presumably -- maybe Apple pulls an Apple and removes it like they did the headphone jack, but doubtful), but anyway, here goes:
1) You can still use your phone when using a charging pad. You can either just lift it off and put it back when you're done, or you can buy charging stands (instead of flat pads). That's what I use around the house and certainly on my office desk. I can use my phone while it's charging with little problem. It feels exactly like using my iPad on its cover stand except obviously smaller. So unless you're at completely zero battery life, it really isn't difficult to use your device if you need to while it's wirelessly charging on the pad/stand. Or, as I said, use the chord if you really need to charge and use device simultaneously.
2) Sure, we don't have to call it "wireless" charging, but in real world use, you literally don't have to fiddle with a wire. The wireless-ness in "wireless" charging is between the phone and the charging pad. In that sense, it is wireless charging. The fact that the pad is connected to a wire/plug really means nothing. You simply set up your pad, and that's it. Just like if you were setting up WiFi. You connect and sort the chords one time, then just use it.
3) Lastly -- and the most important point -- is that the benefit of wireless chargers isn't so much about convenience with wires and whatnot. It's actually more about topping off the battery of your device. Instead of setting your device down on the table, you set it down on a charging pad. Instead of idling without any benefit, you idle with charging. I literally never had to worry about battery life on my S7E last year because it's always being topped off whenever I set it down. I would, in fact, sometimes leave work with 100%.
Regarding Apple and wireless charging, though I'm glad we're finally seeing it, I'm also disappointed that we're not seeing the next step of it, which would be proximity-style charging. Apple is famous for waiting until the technology gets good enough that they can swoop in and do it "right" and make it more palatable for mainstream. I was hoping and even willing to forgive Apple if they came out with an iPhone 8 that leapfrogged the competition with proximity charging, but the latest rumors say that's unlikely -- the technology just isn't there yet. And that's unfortunate because not only is Apple late to the game, but it'll likely be the same thing that's been offered for years (unless proximity charging tech rapidly changes in the next few months), and it might only be available in a higher/more expensive model.
PS. Cats are great, but you're 100% right. They knock everything down. Like jerks.
PPS. Just want to make clear I'm not trying to convince you to like wireless charging. That's up to you.
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If true, the latest rumor says Apple aims to get OLED across its entire flagship lineup by 2019 actually. Not even 2018...
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I'd feel shafted also as a phablet lover. It better have at least 5.5 of usable screen PLUS that stupid function bar.
MR front page says they've affirmed that the iPhone 8 will be a 2.5D glass type situation with little to no actual curve to the display. You can rest easy, @tbayrgs. Knowing Apple, I could really see this being the most likely scenario, too.
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/03/16/oled-iphone-flat-with-slightly-curved-edges/
5.8-Inch iPhone Affirmed to Have Mostly Flat Display With Slightly Curved Edges
Apple has been testing multiple iPhone prototypes this year as usual, including one with a more dramatically curved display, but at this point it has elected to use a mostly flat display with only slightly curved edges, based on a flexible substrate, according to sources within Apple's supply chain.
The benefit of the edge-to-edge design is that it will essentially allow for an iPhone 7 Plus sized display to fit on a device that is iPhone 7 sized, which is beneficial for all sorts of reasons, such as one-handed usage and pocketability. OLED displays have many benefits over LCDs, which current iPhones use, too.
These iPhone X concepts are beautiful, btw: https://gaborbalogh.myportfolio.com/iphone-x-concept
Though I predict in reality, there will be a lot more sensors in the front. Especially if all those 3D facial scanning rumors of the iPhone 8 prove true. Still, the possibilities for the iPhone 8 redesign are stunning. This should've been the iPhone competing with the S7 Edge.
A side by side:
Again, the 7S models -- 2017 Apple flagship devices -- will look painfully outdated with embarrassingly large bezels and poor ergonomics in the Plus model.
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/03/16/oled-iphone-flat-with-slightly-curved-edges/
5.8-Inch iPhone Affirmed to Have Mostly Flat Display With Slightly Curved Edges
Apple has been testing multiple iPhone prototypes this year as usual, including one with a more dramatically curved display, but at this point it has elected to use a mostly flat display with only slightly curved edges, based on a flexible substrate, according to sources within Apple's supply chain.
The benefit of the edge-to-edge design is that it will essentially allow for an iPhone 7 Plus sized display to fit on a device that is iPhone 7 sized, which is beneficial for all sorts of reasons, such as one-handed usage and pocketability. OLED displays have many benefits over LCDs, which current iPhones use, too.
These iPhone X concepts are beautiful, btw: https://gaborbalogh.myportfolio.com/iphone-x-concept
Though I predict in reality, there will be a lot more sensors in the front. Especially if all those 3D facial scanning rumors of the iPhone 8 prove true. Still, the possibilities for the iPhone 8 redesign are stunning. This should've been the iPhone competing with the S7 Edge.
A side by side:
Again, the 7S models -- 2017 Apple flagship devices -- will look painfully outdated with embarrassingly large bezels and poor ergonomics in the Plus model.
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As has been shown time and time again being painfully outdated is independent of how it sells.
It'll still be 2020 before I need to be interested. I'm pretty bored of worrying about mobile phones these day. The iPhone 7 changed my whole outlook and I realised you don't need the latest phone to have a good phone these days.If true, the latest rumor says Apple aims to get OLED across its entire flagship lineup by 2019 actually. Not even 2018...
Just want to share some thoughts on inductive charging. Most of the concerns about inductive charging is made virtually moot by the fact that the charging port will still exist (presumably -- maybe Apple pulls an Apple and removes it like they did the headphone jack, but doubtful), but anyway, here goes:
1) You can still use your phone when using a charging pad. You can either just lift it off and put it back when you're done, or you can buy charging stands (instead of flat pads). That's what I use around the house and certainly on my office desk. I can use my phone while it's charging with little problem. It feels exactly like using my iPad on its cover stand except obviously smaller. So unless you're at completely zero battery life, it really isn't difficult to use your device if you need to while it's wirelessly charging on the pad/stand. Or, as I said, use the chord if you really need to charge and use device simultaneously.
2) Sure, we don't have to call it "wireless" charging, but in real world use, you literally don't have to fiddle with a wire. The wireless-ness in "wireless" charging is between the phone and the charging pad. In that sense, it is wireless charging. The fact that the pad is connected to a wire/plug really means nothing. You simply set up your pad, and that's it. Just like if you were setting up WiFi. You connect and sort the chords one time, then just use it.
3) Lastly -- and the most important point -- is that the benefit of wireless chargers isn't so much about convenience with wires and whatnot. It's actually more about topping off the battery of your device. Instead of setting your device down on the table, you set it down on a charging pad. Instead of idling without any benefit, you idle with charging. I literally never had to worry about battery life on my S7E last year because it's always being topped off whenever I set it down. I would, in fact, sometimes leave work with 100%.
Regarding Apple and wireless charging, though I'm glad we're finally seeing it, I'm also disappointed that we're not seeing the next step of it, which would be proximity-style charging. Apple is famous for waiting until the technology gets good enough that they can swoop in and do it "right" and make it more palatable for mainstream. I was hoping and even willing to forgive Apple if they came out with an iPhone 8 that leapfrogged the competition with proximity charging, but the latest rumors say that's unlikely -- the technology just isn't there yet. And that's unfortunate because not only is Apple late to the game, but it'll likely be the same thing that's been offered for years (unless proximity charging tech rapidly changes in the next few months), and it might only be available in a higher/more expensive model.
PS. Cats are great, but you're 100% right. They knock everything down. Like jerks.
PPS. Just want to make clear I'm not trying to convince you to like wireless charging. That's up to you.
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If true, the latest rumor says Apple aims to get OLED across its entire flagship lineup by 2019 actually. Not even 2018...
Proximity charging is possible, but at a 50% loss and only 3-4 inches.
Also, for the record, not trying to convince anyone that induction charging is bad. Just saying I don't see the fuss right now. Could be proven wrong in the future. Maybe I should get a charger for my X3 to make sure I'm not talking out my ass completely.
Why are all these iPhone 8 concepts forgetting the most important thing we should care about, the OS. These iPhone 8 mock ups look so ridiculous and silly still showing the super dated iOS 10.
Seriously at the end of the day, I don't give a crap about fancy curved edge screens, or cool OLED display, etc... ( I mean I do like the new modern hardware of course ) But to me, we all interact with the software all day everyday, that's what we truly see and use on our smartphone. The fancy new design of the phone wears off real quick, and your stuck with the software. And iOS is just super duper really dated.
These cool iPhone 8 renders just looks really odd with the pic of this old fogy looking OS on it.
- Notifications suck balls in iOS 10
- The overall look with the same app icons from like iOS 7 is outdated
- Where's the theme engine for a dark mode, and custom icon packs ?
- Can we finally move the app icons to anywhere we want on the home screen for god sake
- And a laundry list of other things that iOS needs major overhauling.
Seriously at the end of the day, I don't give a crap about fancy curved edge screens, or cool OLED display, etc... ( I mean I do like the new modern hardware of course ) But to me, we all interact with the software all day everyday, that's what we truly see and use on our smartphone. The fancy new design of the phone wears off real quick, and your stuck with the software. And iOS is just super duper really dated.
These cool iPhone 8 renders just looks really odd with the pic of this old fogy looking OS on it.
- Notifications suck balls in iOS 10
- The overall look with the same app icons from like iOS 7 is outdated
- Where's the theme engine for a dark mode, and custom icon packs ?
- Can we finally move the app icons to anywhere we want on the home screen for god sake
- And a laundry list of other things that iOS needs major overhauling.
Just want to share some thoughts on inductive charging. Most of the concerns about inductive charging is made virtually moot by the fact that the charging port will still exist (presumably -- maybe Apple pulls an Apple and removes it like they did the headphone jack, but doubtful), but anyway, here goes:
1) You can still use your phone when using a charging pad. You can either just lift it off and put it back when you're done, or you can buy charging stands (instead of flat pads). That's what I use around the house and certainly on my office desk. I can use my phone while it's charging with little problem. It feels exactly like using my iPad on its cover stand except obviously smaller. So unless you're at completely zero battery life, it really isn't difficult to use your device if you need to while it's wirelessly charging on the pad/stand. Or, as I said, use the chord if you really need to charge and use device simultaneously.
2) Sure, we don't have to call it "wireless" charging, but in real world use, you literally don't have to fiddle with a wire. The wireless-ness in "wireless" charging is between the phone and the charging pad. In that sense, it is wireless charging. The fact that the pad is connected to a wire/plug really means nothing. You simply set up your pad, and that's it. Just like if you were setting up WiFi. You connect and sort the chords one time, then just use it.
3) Lastly -- and the most important point -- is that the benefit of wireless chargers isn't so much about convenience with wires and whatnot. It's actually more about topping off the battery of your device. Instead of setting your device down on the table, you set it down on a charging pad. Instead of idling without any benefit, you idle with charging. I literally never had to worry about battery life on my S7E last year because it's always being topped off whenever I set it down. I would, in fact, sometimes leave work with 100%.
Regarding Apple and wireless charging, though I'm glad we're finally seeing it, I'm also disappointed that we're not seeing the next step of it, which would be proximity-style charging. Apple is famous for waiting until the technology gets good enough that they can swoop in and do it "right" and make it more palatable for mainstream. I was hoping and even willing to forgive Apple if they came out with an iPhone 8 that leapfrogged the competition with proximity charging, but the latest rumors say that's unlikely -- the technology just isn't there yet. And that's unfortunate because not only is Apple late to the game, but it'll likely be the same thing that's been offered for years (unless proximity charging tech rapidly changes in the next few months), and it might only be available in a higher/more expensive model.
PS. Cats are great, but you're 100% right. They knock everything down. Like jerks.
PPS. Just want to make clear I'm not trying to convince you to like wireless charging. That's up to you.
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If true, the latest rumor says Apple aims to get OLED across its entire flagship lineup by 2019 actually. Not even 2018...
This stand is why I like wireless charging. You can still use the phone as it charges
On a flat pad you can't really
If you do, get a good one. Like cables and other accessories, there are lousy ones out there. There are good and affordable options out there besides the ones from Samsung.
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I guess it's easier to get hardware leaks (supply chains, etc.) than software leaks, which I assume are all done in house at Apple. I'm sure when the time comes, there will be plenty to discuss with iOS 11.
Otherwise, I completely agree with you. Apple has to catch up not only in hardware, but in many ways software, too.
There are iOS concept videos, btw.
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Ordered the official HP Elite X3 Wireless Charger off Amazon.
Thanks.
Also, to prove a point my cat just knocked a set of plugs out of the socket. :|
Well, I've often wanted and also tried to switch, but so far my main SIM is still in my iPhone 7. What I've noticed is that whenever I'm starting to play around with the idea of switching my main carry, I start noticing the little nice things that iOS does that rub me the right way. For example the quick scroll to top in Safari is nice and the 3D Touch assisted cursor placement for the keyboard beats the old "try to hit the right spot with your finger covering most of the word" method I still have to use with my Android devices (S7 Edge and a Nexus 5X). In addition, the iOS widget functionality is sometimes a little more convenient than the Android equivalent. Sure, I do appreciate having e.g. calendar entries directly visible on my Android home screen, but when I'm trying to get a 2-factor authentication code from Authy to the service I'm signing in to, the iOS one where I can quickly summon it while being in an app is a winner. And the normally so annoying process of setting up a device from scratch is mitigated quite a bit by a nice 1Password integration many iOS apps offer nowadays. I also find 1Password's iOS app extension nicer to use than Android's keyboard method. To top all that, just today I got a notification about my comment getting a reply on another forum. I initially tapped on the link on my iPhone and got quickly to the actual comment. Later on I wanted to get back to the same content while using my S7 Edge, so I searched for that e-mail for a quick entry point. However, the GMail app on Android didn't parse the URL into a link I can just tap like the iOS mail app did. Sure there's most likely a different mail app that does it, but I'm getting tired of spending extra time on restoring the functionality I already have and I'm used to. It's 2017 and link parsing in e-mails out of the box shouldn't be unreasonable to expect.
However, there are things in favor of Android as well. For example mobile payments and anything to do with NFC (like checking the status of my local public transport travel card) are purely Android stuff as Apple Pay is not available where I live and to be honest, at this point I think it'll remain that way. If it were to come here, it would've done so already. Also the camera on my S7 Edge seems to beat that of my iPhone 7. I tend to get surprisingly blurry pictures especially when zooming into details quite often on the iPhone while the S7 Edge does wonders with the same scene. In addition, I'd also like to give a good dual SIM phone a try as I'm getting increasingly tired of carrying two phones with me. That's something I'm not counting on Apple to address, so if I ever get a good dual SIM phone, it's most likely going to be an Android.
However, whenever I get excited about almost any Android device, I notice it's either not getting timely security updates (most OEMs) or Bluetooth seems to be extra flaky (the Nexus line, and according to reports also Pixels seem to suffer from this, but I can't say for sure without firsthand experience). If some OEM just offered a nice waterproof dual SIM Android device with a good camera and actually kept it up to date for a reasonable period, I'd be all over it. Such a thing just doesn't seem to exist, at least not in the Finnish market. So for the time being I'm stuck with the slow charging of the iPhone and iOS limitations. Luckily it gives something back in the form of those little extra conveniences to make up for the flaws.
However, there are things in favor of Android as well. For example mobile payments and anything to do with NFC (like checking the status of my local public transport travel card) are purely Android stuff as Apple Pay is not available where I live and to be honest, at this point I think it'll remain that way. If it were to come here, it would've done so already. Also the camera on my S7 Edge seems to beat that of my iPhone 7. I tend to get surprisingly blurry pictures especially when zooming into details quite often on the iPhone while the S7 Edge does wonders with the same scene. In addition, I'd also like to give a good dual SIM phone a try as I'm getting increasingly tired of carrying two phones with me. That's something I'm not counting on Apple to address, so if I ever get a good dual SIM phone, it's most likely going to be an Android.
However, whenever I get excited about almost any Android device, I notice it's either not getting timely security updates (most OEMs) or Bluetooth seems to be extra flaky (the Nexus line, and according to reports also Pixels seem to suffer from this, but I can't say for sure without firsthand experience). If some OEM just offered a nice waterproof dual SIM Android device with a good camera and actually kept it up to date for a reasonable period, I'd be all over it. Such a thing just doesn't seem to exist, at least not in the Finnish market. So for the time being I'm stuck with the slow charging of the iPhone and iOS limitations. Luckily it gives something back in the form of those little extra conveniences to make up for the flaws.
And its going to be painfully clear that thanks to that high price the OLED model is going to generate more profits than the 2 7 models combined. In other words Apple customers desperately want OLED
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Maybe these things don't mean much to you but they are huge upgrades for me. The 7 was the most boring iPhone upgrade I ever did and that's because the battery life on my 6 was abysmal and performance was suffering. I hope its that 128GB model which costs 1K coz then I am getting one.
The difference between the best OLED and the best LCD is huge. Just watching movies on my Galaxy Tab S2 vs my iPad shows the difference. The fact that blacks are infinite makes for a great experience
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I don't know about all Apple customers, clearly some have stated they are "not desperate " for oled. As far as profits, yep Apple can see sea water to the fish, but that's another conversation.