Do you plan to switch from iPhone to Android? (2016)

[Roadstar]

I agree completely. Having switched to Android, I will occasionally get to longing for iPhone and iOS... and that longing quickly disappears after I actually use iOS. There are so many small things present in Android that make my day to day tasks/phone habits so much easier, and when I use iOS I catch myself thinking "This is the IPHONE. The premium phone to buy, even still in 2017. It doesn't have this feature? Or this? Or this?" It surprises me, really, as I NEVER would have foreseen myself typing something like this prior to switching.

I can relate to that. My first couple of attempts at switching to Android were ultimately failed by things such as app quality and Bluetooth reliability. Now Android had caught up on both fronts and also upped the functional edge especially where I live. We don't have Apple Pay here and most likely never will, while Android lets me handle payments and do other nice NFC things such as checking the balance on my travel card. Granted, iOS 11 and its NFC reader might catch up on the latter functionality, but it's too little, too late.

 

[v0lume4]

My first couple of attempts at switching to Android were ultimately failed by things such as app quality and Bluetooth reliability. Now Android had caught up on both fronts and also upped the functional edge especially where I live.

Indeed! The last time that I used Android before switching to iPhone (in 2012) was Android version 2.2 (or 2.3, can't remember). It was only "okay," to say the least.

I picked up a Nexus 6P running 7.1.1 a few months ago and my mind was blown. This is NOT the Android of yesteryear, let me tell ya. I really enjoy it.

 

[tbayrgs]

I realize a lot of the most common complaints of regulars of this subforum weren't necessarily addressed with this update but there really are a ton of changes in iOS 11, especially for the iPad.

I was a bit surprised by Dieter's actually appearance of enthusiasm in this video considering if you've listened to any of the Verge's podcasts for a while now, he's been a pretty vocal critic of Apple and iOS.

Not sure anything here will prompt the Android regulars here to consider switching but thought I'd share anyways. As an iPad Pro user, I'm pretty excited for iOS 11--just not excited enough to try the beta yet.

 

[spinedoc77]

Ah, check reviews. I'm sure it comes up.

I use my S8 naked.
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AOD does give you a bit more info than a light, like what the notification actually is (though you could install apps that customize the notification lights, too. So for example, you can make it so red light = Gmail or something).

I agree with you, more info or subject lines would really complete AOD.

I'm really really surprised that such an awesome feature like AOD is still so primitive, seems so easy for them to add customization and more information. It seems like a very unfinished feature that they just abandoned.
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I realize a lot of the most common complaints of regulars of this subforum weren't necessarily addressed with this update but there really are a ton of changes in iOS 11, especially for the iPad.

I was a bit surprised by Dieter's actually appearance of enthusiasm in this video considering if you've listened to any of the Verge's podcasts for a while now, he's been a pretty vocal critic of Apple and iOS.

Not sure anything here will prompt the Android regulars here to consider switching but thought I'd share anyways. As an iPad Pro user, I'm pretty excited for iOS 11--just not excited enough to try the beta yet.

IMO Apple dropped the ball on not incorporating those ipad features into the iPhone. Android has many of those features and it just makes the iPhone continue to look dated on the software front. I'm not sure what the mental block is that Apple doesn't consider the iPhone good enough. I know many will argue it's too small for those features, but I completely disagree.

 

[epicrayban]

I'm really really surprised that such an awesome feature like AOD is still so primitive, seems so easy for them to add customization and more information. It seems like a very unfinished feature that they just abandoned.
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IMO Apple dropped the ball on not incorporating those ipad features into the iPhone. Android has many of those features and it just makes the iPhone continue to look dated on the software front. I'm not sure what the mental block is that Apple doesn't consider the iPhone good enough. I know many will argue it's too small for those features, but I completely disagree.

Also, if people find it too small, they don't have to use the features on their iPhone.

iOS 11 makes the iPad look amazing again. They just have to add a better typing solution and I'll update my iPad. I do want something easier to travel with than my rMBP 13" (the battery of my MacBook is also completely shot), but I also want the iPad to be more capable first before I plop down the Apple premium.

My iPad air is currently collecting dust.

 

[epicrayban]

I realize a lot of the most common complaints of regulars of this subforum weren't necessarily addressed with this update but there really are a ton of changes in iOS 11, especially for the iPad.

I was a bit surprised by Dieter's actually appearance of enthusiasm in this video considering if you've listened to any of the Verge's podcasts for a while now, he's been a pretty vocal critic of Apple and iOS.

Not sure anything here will prompt the Android regulars here to consider switching but thought I'd share anyways. As an iPad Pro user, I'm pretty excited for iOS 11--just not excited enough to try the beta yet.

iOS takes little steps, but they are still steps. And while I think it's too slow, each iteration is no question better and better in their own Apple-way. Now that Apple is also expecting to catch up on some of the hardware fronts, the iPhone is going to continue being an amazing, albeit expensive, smartphone.

I think there's still some key areas for iOS to go before I'm personally ready to return to the iPhone, but for the iPad, I'm actually willing and ready once they add a better typing solution. iOS 11 makes the iPad look amazing again. I'm looking forward to updating my iPad Air in a year or so. I do actually have a tablet-void I'd like to fill to use for lighter traveling. Recently explored Chromebooks and even looked at the Surface, but I'll try to hold out for an updated iPad.

I've always said, as a consumption device, the iPad + iOS reign supreme. I don't think it works the same with iPhone + iOS mainly because I need my smartphone to do more as a daily device.

 

[spinedoc77]

Also, if people find it too small, they don't have to use the features on their iPhone.

iOS 11 makes the iPad look amazing again. They just have to add a better typing solution and I'll update my iPad. I do want something easier to travel with than my rMBP 13" (the battery of my MacBook is also completely shot), but I also want the iPad to be more capable first before I plop down the Apple premium.

My iPad air is currently collecting dust.

As the main detractor of the ipad I am definitely (slightly) impressed with iOS11 features. It's interesting that Apple is now moving towards the ipad as a PC, when they swore off of that for so long. I still don't think an ipad comes ANYWHERE close to my surface pro, but that's just my personal opinion. At least Apple finally has some slight understanding that the ipad was just way too dumbed down.
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iOS takes little steps, but they are still steps. And while I think it's too slow, each iteration is no question better and better in their own Apple-way. Now that Apple is also expecting to catch up on some of the hardware fronts, the iPhone is going to continue being an amazing, albeit expensive, smartphone.

I think there's still some key areas for iOS to go before I'm personally ready to return to the iPhone, but for the iPad, I'm actually willing and ready once they add a better typing solution. iOS 11 makes the iPad look amazing again. I'm looking forward to updating my iPad Air in a year or so. I do actually have a tablet-void I'd like to fill to use for lighter traveling. Recently explored Chromebooks and even looked at the Surface, but I'll try to hold out for an updated iPad.

I've always said, as a consumption device, the iPad + iOS reign supreme. I don't think it works the same with iPhone + iOS mainly because I need my smartphone to do more as a daily device.

I still disagree that the ipad reigns supreme as a consumption device. I think that argument had some merit when the surface pro 4 didn't have as much battery life, but my new surface pro 2017 is much better and right up there with the ipad. Other than that I never really got the sentiment that the ipad was in any way, shape or form a better consumption device. If anything in many ways it's much worse as a consumption device. Once again mainly my own personal use preference, as everyone uses their devices differently.

 

[epicrayban]

As the main detractor of the ipad I am definitely (slightly) impressed with iOS11 features. It's interesting that Apple is now moving towards the ipad as a PC, when they swore off of that for so long. I still don't think an ipad comes ANYWHERE close to my surface pro, but that's just my personal opinion. At least Apple finally has some slight understanding that the ipad was just way too dumbed down.
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I still disagree that the ipad reigns supreme as a consumption device. I think that argument had some merit when the surface pro 4 didn't have as much battery life, but my new surface pro 2017 is much better and right up there with the ipad. Other than that I never really got the sentiment that the ipad was in any way, shape or form a better consumption device. If anything in many ways it's much worse as a consumption device. Once again mainly my own personal use preference, as everyone uses their devices differently.

Perhaps I need to do more research on the Surface Pro.

Is there a review you can share that you really agree with?

 

[spinedoc77]

Perhaps I need to do more research on the Surface Pro.

Is there a review you can share that you really agree with?

I haven't read many reviews so am not sure which one would be the most accurate, although I've always had faith in Anandtech's reviews. http://www.anandtech.com/show/11538/the-microsoft-surface-pro-2017-review-evolution

It's amazing to me that they got an i5 full processor in it with no fan, mine runs without getting hot in the least or slowing down. AnandTech puts battery life at close to 10 hours web browsing and also for movies at 200 nit, and that's for the i7. You can choose (with a convenient slider) if you want power or battery efficiency. Couple this with the gigantic strides Windows 10 has made in touchscreen capability and you get an extremely powerful and versatile device.

 

[epicrayban]

I haven't read many reviews so am not sure which one would be the most accurate, although I've always had faith in Anandtech's reviews. http://www.anandtech.com/show/11538/the-microsoft-surface-pro-2017-review-evolution

It's amazing to me that they got an i5 full processor in it with no fan, mine runs without getting hot in the least or slowing down. AnandTech puts battery life at close to 10 hours web browsing and also for movies at 200 nit, and that's for the i7. You can choose (with a convenient slider) if you want power or battery efficiency. Couple this with the gigantic strides Windows 10 has made in touchscreen capability and you get an extremely powerful and versatile device.

Thanks. I'll check it out.

This may be an ignorant question, but do you have to worry about viruses with the Surface Pro?

 

[spinedoc77]

Thanks. I'll check it out.

This may be an ignorant question, but do you have to worry about viruses with the Surface Pro?

Sure, it's still Windows 10. IMO viruses and such is grossly overblown on Windows, but I can't say it's not a concern. I run Windows Defender and have had no issues on multiple PC's in years and years of using them.

 

[epicrayban]

Sure, it's still Windows 10. IMO viruses and such is grossly overblown on Windows, but I can't say it's not a concern. I run Windows Defender and have had no issues on multiple PC's in years and years of using them.

Eep. The starting price is at a whopping $899. I understand it probably does a lot more than the iPad to warrant the price, but that is a bit of a deterrent.

 

[spinedoc77]

Eep. The starting price is at a whopping $899. I understand it probably does a lot more than the iPad to warrant the price, but that is a bit of a deterrent.

The starting price is $799, not $899. For comparison the 12.9" ipad pro starts at $799 as well.

 

[epicrayban]

The starting price is $799, not $899. For comparison the 12.9" ipad pro starts at $799 as well.

Right, that makes sense. For my uses, I would be aiming for that iPad 9.7" price range.

BTW, does anyone know why the starting price of the iPad 9.7" is so low at $329? Don't they usually start at $499 or something?

EDIT: Oh, cause of the iPad Pro 10". Hm, Apple's iPad line up is a bit confusing/weird these days. The iPad Mini is almost a better buy, but it's a smaller screen.

EDIT 2: Wow, the iPad 9.7" specs are pretty lackluster. No wonder it's priced at $329. (That front facing camera is pathetic).

Oh, the Apple premium.

 

[Wildo6882]

I've been looking at either the 10.5 Pro, Surface Pro, or XPS 13. The lowest level 10.5 with keyboard and pencil will run me $908 at B&H. The SP with keyboard is $960 and the XPS is $900. To me, the iPad is overpriced by comparison just for the overall capabilities of the devices. Not saying it's bad at all, but I feel like it should at least be $100-200 less than those other devices.

 

[AlphaGuitarist]

I have the $329 iPad 9.7" - it's actually the first iPad I've ever owned. I use it as my gaming/media consumption device while traveling and it serves that purpose perfectly. Needless to say, I'm not a power user when it comes to tablets, so I don't need all the bells and whistles of the Pro models and the expense that comes with them. The 9.7" iPad's target audience are casual tablet users who don't want to spend a lot on a device that won't see much use past its basic functions.

 

[epicrayban]

As real as it's going to get:

Question: From what I understand, the FPS issue is having the FPS working under the display technology of the screen, and not necessarily under the glass. So does this mean if Apple doesn't figure it out, they could still do a FPS up front under the glass panel (without display tech) and make that entire width a function bar so that at least the sides of the FPS could have display tech and allow for a dynamic/interactive bar. The center portion would just be a capacitive FPS under glass.

Any takers on that being the end result?

 

[Radon87000]

With the release of tablet friendly iOS 11 and the OLED iPhone my wallet is about to take a serious pounding this year. Getting both the 12.9 pro and the iPhone 8. Almost 2k spent on just a phone and tablet.

 

[tbayrgs]

As real as it's going to get:

Question: From what I understand, the FPS issue is having the FPS working under the display technology of the screen, and not necessarily under the glass. So does this mean if Apple doesn't figure it out, they could still do a FPS up front under the glass panel (without display tech) and make that entire width a function bar so that at least the sides of the FPS could have display tech and allow for a dynamic/interactive bar. The center portion would just be a capacitive FPS under glass.

Any takers on that being the end result?

My guess is that if it's in fact under the glass/display, that Apple has figured it out fully, else it wouldn't be implemented. I just don't see Apple using a 'halfway there' solution that would then be iterated upon with the next version (assuming that problem was solved) and result in signficant iOS UI changes two years in a row. Just my $0.02.

 

[malikkamran]

Is there any phone that has 10 hour battery life on LTE

 

[spinedoc77]

As real as it's going to get:

Question: From what I understand, the FPS issue is having the FPS working under the display technology of the screen, and not necessarily under the glass. So does this mean if Apple doesn't figure it out, they could still do a FPS up front under the glass panel (without display tech) and make that entire width a function bar so that at least the sides of the FPS could have display tech and allow for a dynamic/interactive bar. The center portion would just be a capacitive FPS under glass.

Any takers on that being the end result?

Let's not forget the function bar, whatever that ends up being. They may just center the fp sensor in the function bar, with function bar use only on the left and right side of it. It's less of a stretch if you also note the strongest rumors say the top bezel will have that cutout for the camera, so most likely they will also split the status bar into left and right portions instead of losing that screen real estate.

I do still have the tiny hope that the function bar will be retractable/software based, because if it's not then that means they wasted a 5.8" display into a 5.15" display area. That function bar better cook me dinner and wash my car, because otherwise I'll be bummed at the waste of display. Of course my fingerprint sensor theory above dashes my hopes for a retractable function bar.

 

[jamezr]

Very interesting....

KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo released a report earlier this morning also claiming the iPhone 8 will use face detection features to replace Touch ID functionality.

https://9to5mac.com/2017/07/03/iphone-8-touch-id-3d-face-detection/

 

[epicrayban]

Very interesting....




https://9to5mac.com/2017/07/03/iphone-8-touch-id-3d-face-detection/

Wow, if it's from Bloomberg, gives it real credibility. Interesting indeed. I'm not sure people will appreciate the removal of touch ID. It's like losing the headphone jack all over again. Courage?

Facial unlock is amazing though, so if they feel confident in their 3D sensing tech, then so be it.

I have to bring this up again, if true, that means the iPhone 7S models will retain touch ID but not the iPhone 8. Again, all this tech is exciting from Apple (finally) but it's only being offered in a higher and more expensive tier that will likely be in extreme limited supply. Makes their flagship lineup just a little weird.

But whatever, so be it. Better than another year of just an S update.

 

[tbayrgs]

Wow, if it's from Bloomberg, gives it real credibility. Interesting indeed. I'm not sure people will appreciate the removal of touch ID. It's like losing the headphone jack all over again. Courage?

Facial unlock is amazing though, so if they feel confident in their 3D sensing tech, then so be it.

I have to bring this up again, if true, that means the iPhone 7S models will retain touch ID but not the iPhone 8. Again, all this tech is exciting from Apple (finally) but it's only being offered in a higher and more expensive tier that will likely be in extreme limited supply. Makes their flagship lineup just a little weird.

But whatever, so be it. Better than another year of just an S update.

Removal of Touch ID with facial detection as the only biometric (presumably because they couldn't get it to work properly under the display) will absolutely ensure I don't buy this iPhone.

I can certainly appreciate facial detection that works quickly and accurately but I don't want to have to actually position the phone properly to look at the front to ensure authentication. I use the FP sensor all the time without having it directly in front of my face and won't be happy with an alternative solution requiring me to do so.

 

[epicrayban]

Removal of Touch ID with facial detection as the only biometric (presumably because they couldn't get it to work properly under the display) will absolutely ensure I don't buy this iPhone.

I can certainly appreciate facial detection that works quickly and accurately but I don't want to have to actually position the phone properly to look at the front to ensure authentication. I use the FP sensor all the time without having it directly in front of my face and won't be happy with an alternative solution requiring me to do so.

It would be courageous of Apple indeed.

There's always the 7S "flagships." =T