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I agree with you about devices to a certain degree.

While both my kids did not get phones with active lines until much older, they have always had access to computers. I'm Gen-X, so a computer has been in one house or another since 1980 when I was 9-10. Additionally, my mother was a teacher and one of her classes was Computer Science. So just about every form of computer you could imagine came and went through our house over the years.

By the time I had kids old enough to use a keyboard there were multiple computers in my own house. My son got his first Mac when he was 5. An old iBook G3 with a broken Airport antenna. We'd go to Starbucks and I'd run an ethernet cable from my Mac to his and share internet. So he could go off to nickelodeon.com and play the games from the cable TV shows we allowed him to watch.

In 2012-2013 or so, both my kids were playing with an iPhone 3GS that had no cellular connection.

I trust my kids. That doesn't mean we (my wife and I) have never checked up or not had to enforce the rules. But for the most part my kids have been good. When my wife got back into school for her teaching degree, my son was able to help her with Google Docs because that was what they used in his high tech-oriented high school. He's 19 now and pursuing an IT degree. He prefers PC/Windows. :(

Having both Macs and PCs in the house has created 'bilingual' kids that are able to move between macOS and Windows with no difficulty. It's all second nature to them and as this stuff is just a natural part of regular life they aren't behind their peers.

When they have kids, IDK what they have planned. But they know that their parents (us) did not allow device play at the table or as something to substitute for dealing with actual human conversation.

hey man, the sprint guy! you're still posting here!
 
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I am dismayed how many young parents use their phones and tablets as distracting devices for children as young as 2 years old--you see kids in shopping carts mesmerized by a screen while the parent(s) peruse the grocery or department store aisles. There has been a massive decrease in the cognitive abilities of school age students as well as an increase in the signs and symptoms of attention deficits over the years. There has also been a marked decrease in the physical fitness of the younger generations, decreased athletic skills, decreased outdoor activity, as well as decreased real life physical interactions (this started well before Covid).

Much of the blame can be laid at the feet of hand held electronic devices like smart phones, tablets as well as gaming consoles.

If one hasn't seen it, I highly recommend viewing "Social Dilemma" available on Netflix--it should put a pause on providing young kids with smart devices. For much deeper dive I recommend reading "The Shallows--What the Internet is Doing to Our Brains" by Nicholas Carr.

Not sure what the appropriate age would be for children to have smart phones or other electronic devices in an unsupervised environment, but I heard someone give an answer in a form of a question--"At what age to you want your child to have access to porn?"

I guess I am taken aback by the OP's concern not by the image but the fact that young kids are allowed to interact with electronic devices without supervision.
Personally, I think the fact that everyone’s mind jumps to porn whenever it’s even thought of letting a child use an iPhone or iPad really says more about them than it does the child or the Internet.
First of all, it is insanely easy to set up an iPhone or an iPad in such a way where those sites will never find their way on the screen.
Focus, ScreenTime, parental restrictions, children safe applications… All of these things exist!
Use them!
The problem isn’t children having access to technology. Children *should* have access, not unrestricted access, but access nonetheless, to technology.
It’s just the world that we live in, technology is everywhere, used for almost everything, restricting children from it is frankly extremely stupid.
It’s a major part of society, it’s important to show children the proper ways of using it, getting them interested in it, because who knows. Maybe in the future, it’ll be them developing and introducing new technology.
Steve Jobs didn’t get into computers by not using them, and neither will future generations.
Also, it’s just the way of life. It’s how people interact, it’s how people get from place to place, etc.
I would honestly feel safer if I had a child with a smart phone then if I didn’t. I can see where they are, I can more easily keep tabs on what they’re up to, and I know that if I or they ever need to get in contact, we always can immediately.
But the thing is, as you say, a lot of parents these days have a completely hands off approach to how they treat technology with their children. They give them a phone with absolutely no restrictions on it and say “go nuts”. And that’s where the problem is.
As for what age, i’m also not entirely sure. But one thing I do know is that these days the Apple Watch can be set up for a child, and they can use it to make calls, send messages, and I can still see where they’re at at all times. And I know they’re not using an Apple Watch to browse the web completely unrestricted, I don’t even think that’s possible on the Apple Watch.
The point is, there are solutions to these problems. There are responsible things you can do while still allowing your child to live in our modern world.
Keeping them safe from the Internet does not mean forcing them to live like it’s still 1977.
 
I am dismayed how many young parents use their phones and tablets as distracting devices for children as young as 2 years old--you see kids in shopping carts mesmerized by a screen while the parent(s) peruse the grocery or department store aisles. There has been a massive decrease in the cognitive abilities of school age students as well as an increase in the signs and symptoms of attention deficits over the years. There has also been a marked decrease in the physical fitness of the younger generations, decreased athletic skills, decreased outdoor activity, as well as decreased real life physical interactions (this started well before Covid).

Much of the blame can be laid at the feet of hand held electronic devices like smart phones, tablets as well as gaming consoles.

If one hasn't seen it, I highly recommend viewing "Social Dilemma" available on Netflix--it should put a pause on providing young kids with smart devices. For much deeper dive I recommend reading "The Shallows--What the Internet is Doing to Our Brains" by Nicholas Carr.

Not sure what the appropriate age would be for children to have smart phones or other electronic devices in an unsupervised environment, but I heard someone give an answer in a form of a question--"At what age to you want your child to have access to porn?"

I guess I am taken aback by the OP's concern not by the image but the fact that young kids are allowed to interact with electronic devices without supervision.

Dolly Parton in a Christmas outfit does not come close to the images and verbiage that kids find in parts of the internet, even with software or app guardrails.

Also, some of the material that young kids (starting at least in kindergarten) are exposed to in public school as part of the normal mandated curriculum would not be allowed in R rated movies (at least not now).

I have seen many women out in public with much more inappropriate revealing attire.

not a parent and it sounds like you aren't either, but parents shoving their kids off onto entertainment is nothing new. were you not often cross-legged on the living room floor in front of the tv either by yourself or with (in my case, several) siblings in your youth? while parents did parent things? like work? or try and relax after a long day at work? understanding is free.
 
I just hadn't seen one of your posts in probably years, and the memories of your sprint problems came flooding back 🤣
Well…as many here can attest, I have been annoying them for a very long time with my opinions about certain iDevice issues. :D

EDIT: As to Sprint, all those problems went away in late 2015. I even got my old Sprint iPhone 5 unlocked in 2017 (two years after joining T-Mobile).
 
Personally, I think the fact that everyone’s mind jumps to porn whenever it’s even thought of letting a child use an iPhone or iPad really says more about them than it does the child or the Internet.
First of all, it is insanely easy to set up an iPhone or an iPad in such a way where those sites will never find their way on the screen.
Focus, ScreenTime, parental restrictions, children safe applications… All of these things exist!
Use them!
The problem isn’t children having access to technology. Children *should* have access, not unrestricted access, but access nonetheless, to technology.
It’s just the world that we live in, technology is everywhere, used for almost everything, restricting children from it is frankly extremely stupid.
It’s a major part of society, it’s important to show children the proper ways of using it, getting them interested in it, because who knows. Maybe in the future, it’ll be them developing and introducing new technology.
Steve Jobs didn’t get into computers by not using them, and neither will future generations.
Also, it’s just the way of life. It’s how people interact, it’s how people get from place to place, etc.
I would honestly feel safer if I had a child with a smart phone then if I didn’t. I can see where they are, I can more easily keep tabs on what they’re up to, and I know that if I or they ever need to get in contact, we always can immediately.
But the thing is, as you say, a lot of parents these days have a completely hands off approach to how they treat technology with their children. They give them a phone with absolutely no restrictions on it and say “go nuts”. And that’s where the problem is.
As for what age, i’m also not entirely sure. But one thing I do know is that these days the Apple Watch can be set up for a child, and they can use it to make calls, send messages, and I can still see where they’re at at all times. And I know they’re not using an Apple Watch to browse the web completely unrestricted, I don’t even think that’s possible on the Apple Watch.
The point is, there are solutions to these problems. There are responsible things you can do while still allowing your child to live in our modern world.
Keeping them safe from the Internet does not mean forcing them to live like it’s still 1977.
This thread though has nothing to do with above, which is one persons opinion on some issue relating to young kids and the internet.

The issue at hand is Apple providing a safe app environment for youngsters based on that Dolly Parton picture in the Apple Maps Guide?
 
I'm trying to figure out if I'm overreacting here. I open up the Apple Maps app and search for something, and this Guide pops up.

Dolly Parton in a skimpy low-cut red outfit, with her huge fake breasts. Right in my face.

Ads are annoying, sure. Apple ramping them up on a platform which has historically been relatively clear of them, even more annoying.

Calling this 'porn', a bit of a stretch, no? It's a human body, we all have them.

Funny what other things our society tolerates but some cleavage... No Sir!
 
I'm trying to figure out if I'm overreacting here. I open up the Apple Maps app and search for something, and this Guide pops up.

Dolly Parton in a skimpy low-cut red outfit, with her huge fake breasts. Right in my face. Apple Maps is rated for ages 4+.


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I'm trying to keep this sort of porn-y content away from someone in my family for as long as I can. I know it's a losing battle and I'm probably wasting my time. I think I'll have to move everyone in my family off of Apple products if this keeps happening.

Am I overreacting or do you think this is a bit over the top on a Maps app?

Is there any way to disable Apple's forced Guides?
Well, I do think
I'm trying to figure out if I'm overreacting here. I open up the Apple Maps app and search for something, and this Guide pops up.

Dolly Parton in a skimpy low-cut red outfit, with her huge fake breasts. Right in my face. Apple Maps is rated for ages 4+.


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I'm trying to keep this sort of porn-y content away from someone in my family for as long as I can. I know it's a losing battle and I'm probably wasting my time. I think I'll have to move everyone in my family off of Apple products if this keeps happening.

Am I overreacting or do you think this is a bit over the top on a Maps app?

Is there any way to disable Apple's forced Guides?
You know, I not only think you are overreacting, but I think this is part of the whole shaming women ethos in North America. I don’t mean that in an accusatory way at all, it’s just an observation. I don’t know Dolly Parton, but evidence to the contrary she is reported to be a very kind and caring woman. Her breasts are fake, but if this was a naturally large breasted woman does her bra size preclude her from wearing what smaller breasted women do all the time? View attachment 2118268

Maybe it is just time to sit down and educate your children about breasts. They see them on the beach, on the street, on tv; indeed, every time they see a woman. Chances are that you fed your children with them. Some are big, some are small - they’re breasts. I think it highly unlikely that seeing cleavage will harm your children unless they come to believe that cleavage defines them, so you have a teachable moment here. Breast size has nothing to do with who a woman is as a person, her intelligence, her moral rectitude, her attractiveness, or her worth as a human being. Breasts have the obvious function of feeding babies, a purpose without which humanity could not exist. However, they have a sexual social function, the nature of which has varied through different periods of history, but has always existed in some form. Lord, the Victorians had boobs on full display, but hid ankles - go figure. That is also a discussion for you and your kids, the when, only you can discern. It is a discussion that is relevant to both your sons and daughters.

So, Dolly likes her large breasts, natural or not (I personally don’t) but that doesn’t make her porn-y at all. By the by the only way I have managed to find that picture is by searching for Nashville. It doesn’t even appear when I search Dolly World. I’ve been to Nashville … no shortage of boobs on display everywhere.

Finally, you cannot hide your children from today’s social milieu, better you should teach them to understand and navigate it. Teach them to know the difference between reality and fantasy, imbue them as best you can with strong moral and ethical values and when it is time be confident in releasing them to the world.
 
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not that it matters, but her cleavage has clearly been photoshopped here too. it's been flattened and has less definition that it would IRL. which may be the first time in the history of DP that's happened.
 
Funny what other things our society tolerates but some cleavage... No Sir!
Oh, that's hilarious!!!!

Sorry, not laughing at you. I am just recalling some comments that Barbara Eden made about I Dream of Jeannie. She stated that showing your belly button was verboten and network censors absolutely would not allow it. But hey, Jeannie could show ALL the cleavage the writers and costume designers could fit in.
 
Ads are annoying, sure. Apple ramping them up on a platform which has historically been relatively clear of them, even more annoying.

Calling this 'porn', a bit of a stretch, no? It's a human body, we all have them.

Funny what other things our society tolerates but some cleavage... No Sir!
I'm actually amazed it took so long for someone to address the ad in a Map App instead of what it is for, directions
 
They see them on the beach, on the street, on tv; indeed, every time they see a woman. Chances are that you fed your children with them. Some are big, some are small - they’re breasts. I think it highly unlikely that seeing cleavage will harm your children unless they come to believe that cleavage defines them, so you have a teachable moment, here.
I would just add that there are certain cities in the US that have equality in 'top freedom'. Namely, New York City has ordinances that allow women to walk around topless as men do. So, bare naked breasts in public places.

There's been fights and legal drama over it because a lot of NYC cops (and citizens) are ignorant of the ordinances.
 
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To the Iran jokes: If you have a right to do something (freedom) it doesn’t mean you can’t still act responsibly or with dignity. Yes women should be able to choose how they dress, but that doesn’t mean it’s cool to dress like sluts just because you can. Same like it’s not cool to drink too much and vomit everywhere just because you can. Or be rude to people just because you have freedom or speech. My point is that while there is nothing wrong with that image from law point of view, I think it’s tasteless and kids shouln’t see that kind of content.
 
Just to clarify, the child is quite a bit older than 4, I just mentioned Apple's age rating, that they technically think the image is ok to be forced on a 4 year old child.

No offense meant to Dolly Parton I'm sure she's a great person.

Ok fair enough, it seems I'm being a bit silly here, sounds like the image isn't that bad. Thanks for the replies.

Personally, I would be more concerned about having any form of religion forced down your kids throat.
 
I'm trying to figure out if I'm overreacting here. I open up the Apple Maps app and search for something, and this Guide pops up.

Dolly Parton in a skimpy low-cut red outfit, with her huge fake breasts. Right in my face. Apple Maps is rated for ages 4+.


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I'm trying to keep this sort of porn-y content away from someone in my family for as long as I can. I know it's a losing battle and I'm probably wasting my time. I think I'll have to move everyone in my family off of Apple products if this keeps happening.

Am I overreacting or do you think this is a bit over the top on a Maps app?

Is there any way to disable Apple's forced Guides?
They aren’t fake. She’s been in the music business since the 1960’s.
 
Your child is lucky enough to be eligible for Dolly Parton’s Imagination Library. She will send out free books to children 6 and under, and has given out like 175 million books so far! She is a national treasure!

The rule in our house is no smartphones until freshman year of high school. Flip phones or gizmo watches until then if we need to get a hold of one of our free roaming children.
 
I'm trying to figure out if I'm overreacting here. I open up the Apple Maps app and search for something, and this Guide pops up.

Dolly Parton in a skimpy low-cut red outfit, with her huge fake breasts. Right in my face. Apple Maps is rated for ages 4+.


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I'm trying to keep this sort of porn-y content away from someone in my family for as long as I can. I know it's a losing battle and I'm probably wasting my time. I think I'll have to move everyone in my family off of Apple products if this keeps happening.

Am I overreacting or do you think this is a bit over the top on a Maps app?

Is there any way to disable Apple's forced Guides?
I'm telling ya, I couldn't use that pic for prn if i wanted to.
 
I'm trying to figure out if I'm overreacting here. I open up the Apple Maps app and search for something, and this Guide pops up.

Dolly Parton in a skimpy low-cut red outfit, with her huge fake breasts. Right in my face. Apple Maps is rated for ages 4+.


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I'm trying to keep this sort of porn-y content away from someone in my family for as long as I can. I know it's a losing battle and I'm probably wasting my time. I think I'll have to move everyone in my family off of Apple products if this keeps happening.

Am I overreacting or do you think this is a bit over the top on a Maps app?

Is there any way to disable Apple's forced Guides?
Since you asked, YES, you are overreacting.
 
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