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Have a much closer re-read of the original post. Go on. I insist. I’ll wait.

The original poster was summarizing the linked article. They were not the original poster’s opinion or takes on the points listed. It’s a poor look on you for missing that basic detail from the outset.

The post is just dropping a link without any meaningful comment around it. (It's hard to tell whether the text following the summary of the article is supposed to be a comment or a signature.)

In any event, it showed no effort to assess the quality of the article.

This article here goes with the brainworms hack writing of the German article in the original post:

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Lordt,
There is a lot of bad writing around on that site and many others. I think the author, in a roundabout way, is trying to make the point that the quality of macOS has not deteriorated over the years, which I think is right. I've used Snow Leopard for its entire run and can't say that Monterey or Ventura are less reliable.

Either way, Snow Leopard is now ancient history unsupported for more than a decade and cannot be run on any 2012 or later hardware. There is no hardware that is designed to run both Snow Leopard and Ventura. (Yes, I know of OpenCore, hence I bolded "designed".)

One ritual in podcasts shortly before WWDC is to wish for a "no new features" release like Snow Leopard (even though it had new features) and then after WWDC to whine how there aren't enough.
 

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Your retail work experience is interesting, but different companies with different standards exist.

Wow, I had no idea of this. Thanks for enlightening me!

I'll return to this later.

About "truly professional products" not having extended warranties: Last time I checked, server manufactures like HP and Oracle absolutely sold long-term support contracts. If the industry doesn't do that anymore, please let me know.

I wasn't even referring to IT hardware...

I would like to also mention that AppleCare is not just an extended warranty, but also offers support. I have received replacement batteries, instant replacements of iPads, two MBP upgrades and many more things out of it.

Extended warranties in general include everything that you've mentioned. The ones that I was mandated to push onto customers provided much of this and considering that Apple is wealthier than many nations, of course they have leeway for goodwill gestures because of the PR points it affords them. ;)

If someone doesn't see the value, that's absolutely fine with me.

It's nice to know that you're ok with other people making choices that you don't agree with. :D

It's a personal preference and depends on many factors, such as what level of risk someone is willing to accept. Many people I respect never get AppleCare, and many others do. Personally, I always do, and for many CTO Apple products I buy it's more of a rounding error.

Extended warranties - which is exactly what AppleCare is, are by and large, a waste of money and basically provide pure profit for the retailer. In the case of Apple, that's even more profit on top of what they earn on their overpriced products - and given how expensive they are, Apple could very easily include the AppleCare service within the basic sale - especially on the higher-end range.

You're right, it's a personal preference and if you prefer to go that route, more power to you.

I've visited stores like Best Buy and others that work like what you describe many times. Apple Stores are not run like that, which is why I feel comfortable visiting them.

This, is what happens in Apple Stores across the globe:

This is unacceptable: Apple CEO Tim Cook tells employees over racism incident

Apple store employee texted himself a private photo from customer's phone, woman alleges - The Washington Post

Workers at Apple Genius Bar ‘stole and rated nude photos from customers’ phones’

Apple settles with student after authorized repair workers leaked her naked pics to her Facebook page • The Register

Exclusive: Confessions from the Most Corrupt Apple Store in America (Updated)

Exclusive: Corrupt Apple Store Employees Come Forward Across America

Apple fires employee who raised awareness of workplace misconduct allegations at the company | The Seattle Times

NY Apple Store employee charged with using fraudulent card details to buy almost $1M worth of Apple gift cards - 9to5Mac

Female Employees Call Out Apple's Handling of Complaints on Misconduct - The Mac Observer

Apple’s Retail Staff are Second-Class Employees | by Matt Herbst | Medium

Your retail work experience is interesting, but different companies with different standards exist.

My colleagues and I were absolute saints in comparison and never, ever did our standards fall as low as the above examples of what transpires within Apple's very much toxic retail environment. I could've listed many more but that would've been overkill.
 
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There is a lot of bad writing around on that site and many others. I think the author, in a roundabout way, is trying to make the point that the quality of macOS has not deteriorated over the years, which I think is right. I've used Snow Leopard for its entire run and can't say that Monterey or Ventura are less reliable.

Confirmation bias of one.

You ought to spend some time on here.

That notwithstanding, folks on here have addressed, repeatedly, the ever-expanding problem of guff and bloat rushed into each major version iteration of macOS, post-Snow Leopard. That pattern and trend continues.

But the worst of the lot — and for me, just plain unforgivable — is in how each major version of macOS is a mess of under-the-bonnet telemetry and ugly reminders that the customer is no longer a customer, but a product. I didn’t sign up for this paradigmatic shift when I bought my last Mac from the Apple Store, and I don’t sign up for it now.

Never mind how I don’t want a computer tied umbilically to the company which made it a prerequisite for running the OS out-of-the-box. I get reminded of this anytime Little Snitch notes the OS is trying to phone home to Apple.

I mean, come on.

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(I mean, good lordt. And this is only in High Sierra!)




Back during Snow Leopard, this was typically confined to one of two areas: Software Updates and features adjacent to either the App Store or the iTunes Music Store. Aside from from that, there were also prompts when sending a crash report to Apple.

But with each major version since Snow Leopard, that stopped being so, up and to the point where even opting out permanently, with help from a third-party utility like Little Snitch was no longer enough. The article, notwithstanding the alarmist tone (though understandable for anyone who isn’t a U.S. citizen and isn’t living in the U.S.) painstakingly describes how that umbilical cord has only gotten stronger without much of a clear explanation behind why. The above infosec blogger later found Ventura quietly scanning the contents of .dmgs on one’s local Mac and sending info about those contents back to Apple.

“General security improvements” or however Apple describe it doesn’t describe anything. As recently as the PowerPC OS X days, Apple were thorough with an itemized list of changes and updates to the system when one rolled out. That hasn’t been so for a long time.

And as I’ve written in the recent past elsewhere on here, let me pay for a major build of macOS if that means eliding much of the above telemetry, bloat and, well, inexplicable inclusions of guff like the Bitcoin manifesto inside macOS Mojave and later.

Incidentally, eliminate the bloat and the guff and the telemetry, finish the work (instead of sending out a frequently half-baked beta on a strict, arbitrary annual calendar), and suddenly Apple might have an OS which “just works” for all customers, as they need it. But nope. We’re no longer customers. We are their product.

Total dechets.

Either way, Snow Leopard is now ancient history unsupported for more than a decade and cannot be run on any 2012 or later hardware. There is no hardware that is designed to run both Snow Leopard and Ventura. (Yes, I know of OpenCore, hence I bolded "designed".)

All due respect, but have you a point?


One ritual in podcasts shortly before WWDC is to wish for a "no new features" release like Snow Leopard (even though it had new features) and then after WWDC to whine how there aren't enough.

Sorry, that isn’t my camp. I’m in camp “let me get my work done without disruptions, hoop-jumping, instability, and all that blasted phoning home garbage”.

Your remark reminds me of how the hype around any WWDC, post-Snow Leopard (when it became the kick-off for the annual-cycle major version OS, irrespective of how finished that OS was) is mostly a pep rally event to cheer the make-work for update princes and not for focussing on just making a great end product. That’s because, lest I flail a dead horse, the customer is no longer the customer, but the product; whereas today’s customers are an army of shareholders who may or may not use Macs the way longtime power users (“power users” due to the line of work they’re in) have long used them.

And that’s why I keep around very particular Macs with noteworthy and exceptional backward/forward compatibility latitude.
 
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Smartuser

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Wow, I had no idea of this. Thanks for enlightening me!
This is a forum, not just a discussion between two people. I'm responding to the content of your post, not just you. Otherwise I would have sent you a personal message.
Extended warranties in general include everything that you've mentioned. The ones that I was mandated to push onto customers provided much of this and considering that Apple is wealthier than many nations, of course they have leeway for goodwill gestures because of the PR points it affords them. ;)
On one hand, you're saying that other extended warranties, in general, include "everything" AppleCare does and on the other, you say that they only provided "much of this" and that Apple can afford the goodwill gestures others can't. There's a contradiction there.
It's nice to know that you're ok with other people making choices that you don't agree with. :D
There's no need for that kind of angry rhetoric.
Extended warranties - which is exactly what AppleCare is, are by and large, a waste of money and basically provide pure profit for the retailer. In the case of Apple, that's even more profit on top of what they earn on their overpriced products - and given how expensive they are, Apple could very easily include the AppleCare service within the basic sale - especially on the higher-end range.
If you don't like their pricing, don't buy their products. Since for some reason, you're listing your hardware, it looks like you haven't done so in more than a decade.
Everyone can put together a selection of stories like that about Mother Teresa.
My colleagues and I were absolute saints in comparison and never, ever did our standards fall as low as the above examples of what transpires within Apple's very much toxic retail environment. I could've listed many more but that would've been overkill.
It's not a special achievement to not become a criminal.

In sum, it looks like to me like you have an enormous chip on your shoulder against Apple and AppleCare. Collecting some articles to confirm your bias is not the proof you think it is. I'm not going to collect 20 articles now that support my opinion, I'll just say that I have my experiences and others may have different ones, and I'm not seeing my experiences as the absolute and only truth.
 
There's no need for that kind of angry rhetoric.

Nope. You don’t get to do that — to re-direct — when you entered the room, voluntarily and unprompted, in confrontational form, and folks presented the citations to contradict your takes.

Besides, @TheShortTimer wasn’t angry. He was just direct with you, as I’m also being.

If you don't like their pricing, don't buy their products. Since for some reason, you're listing your hardware, it looks like you haven't done so in more than a decade.

Check this forum’s name. :) Embrace it. Take it to heart!


Everyone can put together a selection of stories like that about Mother Teresa.

They’re called citations for a reason. You can refer to the citations and parse them individually, or you can dismiss them pre-emptively and forthright because they inconvenience, if not undermine the bedrock of your limestone argument.


In sum, it looks like to me like you have an enormous chip on your shoulder against Apple and AppleCare. Collecting some articles to confirm your bias is not the proof you think it is. I'm not going to collect 20 articles now that support my opinion, I'll just say that I have my experiences and others may have different ones, and I'm not seeing my experiences as the absolute and only truth.

If Dunning-Kruger was the force, you’d be Rey Skywalker. :D
 

Smartuser

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Confirmation bias of one.
I suggest you look up what that term means. Hint: It doesn't mean "reporting one's own experience".
You ought to spend some time on here.
How funny that thread is.
That notwithstanding, folks on here have addressed, repeatedly, the ever-expanding problem of guff and bloat rushed into each major version iteration of macOS, post-Snow Leopard. That pattern and trend continues.

But the worst of the lot — and for me, just plain unforgivable — is in how each major version of macOS is a mess of under-the-bonnet telemetry and ugly reminders that the customer is no longer a customer, but a product. I didn’t sign up for this paradigmatic shift when I bought my last Mac from the Apple Store, and I don’t sign up for it now.

Never mind how I don’t want a computer tied umbilically to the company which made it as a prerequisite for running the OS out-of-the-box. I get reminded of this anytime Little Snitch notes the OS is trying to phone home Apple.
I'd build a PC.
We are their product.
...
Total dechets.
Hesionalismars.
All due respect, but have you a point?
The point is that there's no way to compare the two OS versions on the same hardware.
Sorry, that isn’t my camp. I’m in camp “let me get my work done without disruptions, hoop-jumping, instability, and all that blasted phoning home garbage”.
Security and other updates are garbage, got it.
Your remark reminds me of how the hype around any WWDC, post-Snow Leopard (when it became the kick-off for the annual-cycle major version OS, irrespective of how finished that OS was)
That any large and complex piece of software can truly be finished is an illusion.
 

Smartuser

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Nope. You don’t get to do that — to re-direct — when you entered the room, voluntarily and unprompted, in confrontational form, and folks presented the citations to contradict your takes.
The "folks" are one person.

I didn't enter any room here, and this this forum doesn't belong to you. Having a different opinion is not confrontation.
Besides, @TheShortTimer wasn’t angry. He was just direct with you, as I’m also being.
Is that your alt account or how would you know if that user was not angry?
Check this forum’s name. :) Embrace it. Take it to heart!
I'm responding to the contents of posts in a thread. I don't have to worship the type of product a thread or subform is about.
They’re called citations for a reason. You can refer to the citations and parse them individually, or you can dismiss them pre-emptively and forthright because they inconvenience, if not undermine the bedrock of your limestone argument.
If you want to get scientific about it, they're not peer-reviewed studies, they're original research and secondary sources.

I could collect articles about all robberies in France over the last 100 years, but that wouldn't prove that France is a comparatively unsafe country.
If Dunning-Kruger was the force, you’d be Rey Skywalker. :D
I must have really hit a nerve here with you that you're stooping to these kinds of remarks.

In sum, it's great that you're enjoying your "Early Intel Macs", but maybe, just as a thought, dial down the condescension to about 10%. I like some old hardware and software as well, but I'm not making it a lifestyle and question the cognitive abilities of everyone who doesn't have the same opinions.
 
I'd build a PC.

That Frame.work laptop is looking better and better by the day.


The point is that there's no way to compare the two OS versions on the same hardware.

Yours is a flaky point, as even you made mention of OCLP making it entirely possible and doable to compare the different OS builds on the same gear. No, Apple didn’t grin and give OCLP their blessing, but Apple aren’t the alpha and omega of how people want to use their computers made by Apple — no matter how hard Apple try to make this so for every user.


Security and other updates are garbage, got it.

🤦‍♀️ Those are your words entirely, not mine. They’re not even in the province of my thoughts.


That any large and complex piece of software can truly be finished is an illusion.

Set objectives. Take the time needed to fulfil those objectives, even if that timeline extends longer than one calendar year. Stay at it until the objectives get satisfied. Freeze it. Release it. Then, refine it, even when doing so takes longer than a calendar year or even three. Refinements include new, minor features, security updates, and thoroughly documented bug fixes.

This was how Apple handled building a complex piece of software through Snow Leopard. This was all under Bertrand Serlet’s watch. Under this model, the OS not only had time to be developed internally, but also had time to be refined through thoroughly documented updates. Each OS was a paradigmatic step forward, as that was the purpose of a major OS version change.

Then Craig Federighi took over and moved major OS development releases to a strict, annual cycle, regardless whether the next release was a paradigmatic step forward or not (spoiler: many were not). The rolling release cycle built around a calendar isn’t organic to setting and meeting software development objectives. What it is designed for is a quarterly earnings report. And with a rolling release cycle comes in the rushed code, the guff, the bloat, and in Apple’s case — steadily — ramping up the telemetry.

As said earlier: I didn’t sign up for Federighi’s (or Cook’s) vision of OS X/macOS. And in matters when I do use their rolling OS builds, I have to strip out a lot of the garbage to make them work more in keeping with the level of stability and, most importantly, finished quality of Snow Leopard (which was, frankly, the last well-crafted OS X/macOS build by Apple from the ground, up; honourable mentions, post-SL, might include Mavericks and maybe High Sierra).

“So just use something else.”

I do. And I plan to continue doing so.
 
Is that your alt account or how would you know if that user was not angry?

Friendo, you’re grasping at straws.

While I can’t know if he was angry (as I’m not him), he, I, and others on here have been daily regulars for enough time to gauge when folks are probably amused, annoyed, or otherwise.

Besides, he’s a guy and I’m not. And he lives over an ocean away from me. :)

I'm responding to the contents of posts in a thread. I don't have to worship the type of product a thread or subform is about.

You should try to stay topical to the forum’s remit. That isn’t a big ask.

If you want to get scientific about it, they're not peer-reviewed studies, they're original research and secondary sources.

Correct. Primary and secondary sources, under a formal, established methodology and a lit review on similar studies sharing that methodology, may be valid for data collection, followed by analysis and discussion in a peer-reviewed study. But seeing how I’m not working as faculty for a university at this time, your point amounts to a self-serving derailment and isn’t really helping to evince your case.

I could collect articles about all robberies in France over the last 100 years, but that wouldn't prove that France is a comparatively unsafe country.

I’m always going to be suspect, pun not intended, whenever someone rolls out the word “proof” so hurriedly when what really matters is a burden of evidence/data/findings to support a thesis.

I must have really hit a nerve here with you that you're stooping to these kinds of remarks.

At most, you’re demonstrating yourself as tedious. Quelle réalisation!


In sum, it's great that you're enjoying your "Early Intel Macs", but maybe, just as a thought, dial down the condescension to about 10%. I like some old hardware and software as well, but I'm not making it a lifestyle and question the cognitive abilities of everyone who doesn't have the same opinions.

OK, “Smartuser”. Whatever you say.

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If someone doesn't see the value, that's absolutely fine with me. It's a personal preference and depends on many factors, such as what level of risk someone is willing to accept. Many people I respect never get AppleCare, and many others do. Personally, I always do, and for many CTO Apple products I buy it's more of a rounding error.
If you don't mind sharing how many times have you purchased AppleCare and how often have you used it?
 

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Extended warranties in general include everything that you've mentioned. The ones that I was mandated to push onto customers provided much of this and considering that Apple is wealthier than many nations, of course they have leeway for goodwill gestures because of the PR points it affords them. ;)
I've always maintained that goodwill is a form of marketing. IMO companies would be wise to set aside some of their marketing budget to apply towards goodwill. After all, how much better marketing can you get than a customer telling someone else how they did something above and beyond?
 
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TheShortTimer

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This is a forum, not just a discussion between two people. I'm responding to the content of your post, not just you. Otherwise I would have sent you a personal message.

Ok, if you quote-reply someone and mention their past employment, they will reasonably infer that you are replying to them. :)

There's no need for that kind of angry rhetoric.

There was none, as @B S Magnet already pointed out to you - and no, we're obviously not the same person. That kind of snarky accusation is unnecessary.

If you don't like their pricing, don't buy their products.

I usually don't buy them at full price - or even pay for them at all in some cases but regardless, I'm allowed to criticise the pricing of a product. Freedom of opinion, freedom of expression. Important values in a healthy society.

Since for some reason, you're listing your hardware...

Many of us list our hardware in our signatures because this is basically a retro enthusiast corner and we share this information because we're curious about each others hardware. Is that ok with you?

Actually I was reminded not too long ago that I need to update the signature to include more Macs. ;)

...it looks like you haven't done so in more than a decade.

My posts and threads would indicate otherwise. :D

Everyone can put together a selection of stories like that about Mother Teresa.

In her case, two is enough.



#RIP Christopher Hitchens

It's not a special achievement to not become a criminal.

Uh ok. Moving on...

In sum, it looks like to me like you have an enormous chip on your shoulder against Apple...

Personal attacks against someone you don't even know on behalf of a corporation? Oh dear. Temper, temper.

Anyway, do you not see how much Apple hardware is listed in my signature? That's not even the entire lot!

As it goes, I'm a huge admirer of what Apple once represented and I never looked back after making the switch from Wintel Land to Macs.

...and AppleCare.

Ok, you missed this in my earlier reply to you so I'll reiterate - you're happy with it, good for you. :)

Collecting some articles to confirm your bias is not the proof you think it is.

Damn it! :(

I'm not going to collect 20 articles now that support my opinion, I'll just say that I have my experiences and others may have different ones, and I'm not seeing my experiences as the absolute and only truth.

Good for you. Enjoy the rest of your Sunday. :)
 

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Most of my Macs I bought or acquired second-hand, especially since I work for an electronics recycling/reselling company, and if certain user-serviceable parts need replacing I would do so to get them running fine again (like a battery or something). Generally they run very well, and I think I've only had one or two fail on me. My only Mac I bought new in the box so far is my M1 MacBook Air.
 

PowerPC Punk

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The computing industry is getting like the 'Arms Race'..there's always someone coming out with something better.

Don't buy a second hand Mac,
Steal a new one instead!!!
Steal a new one instead!!! - The Movie
Screenplay - Work version.
-------
Back in the Ebbel store.
-
Excuse me, i just noticed at home, that i have stolen the wrong one.
I wanted the M2 13` inch, but this is the M1 15` inch.
-
Well, no problem, we want satisfied customers.
Just steal the one you need, but we have to make a new
AppleCare+ Steal plan.
Sorry for the circumstances.
-
Fanx, very kind.
---
Thief walks out of the store, into the sinking sun.
Music fades in, "What a Wonderful World"...
 
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Steal a new one instead!!! - The Movie - Scratch 2
Of course, the screenplay is rather archaic.
But the "sympathetic" thief must be played by young John Cusak.
Because of Hollywood, we also need some kind of lovestory,
and the good old oldschool - Underdog wins in the end.-
How about:
Jennifer (played by Kirsten Dunst, who else) owns a second hand computerstore,
and the evil ebbelstore manager tries to destroy her business.
-
Ebbelstore manager is played by Bela Lugosi
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John, didn´t like her in the beginning, because she sold him
a pci-firewire card, but he wanted a pci-e.
(This misunderstanding is solved in the middle of the movie)
and then:
Surprising glorious finale, John`s grandpa Willi, (played by guess who ?)
is the owner of the house and kicks out the evil ebbelstore manager.
Cut.
...They walk into the sinking sun.
Music fades in...to
main soundtrack of the movie.

 

mortlocli

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Steal a new one instead!!! - The Movie
Screenplay - Work version.
-------
Back in the Ebbel store.
-
Excuse me, i just noticed at home, that i have stolen the wrong one.
I wanted the M2 13` inch, but this is the M1 15` inch.
-
Well, no problem, we want satisfied customers.
Just steal the one you need, but we have to make a new
AppleCare+ Steal plan.
Sorry for the circumstances.
-
Fanx, very kind.
---
Thief walks out of the store, into the sinking sun.
Music fades in, "What a Wonderful World"...

Excellent choice of music.!
Louie Armstrong version .

My choice of actor if it were possible : John Belushi
But hey..Tis your movie.
 
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PowerPC Punk

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Excellent choice of music.!
Louie Armstrong version .

My choice of actor if it were possible : John Belushi
But hey..Tis your movie.
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ahoi! mortlocli,

i want you as Co-writer.
Brilliant idea, Jennifer is played by John Belushi !
(His outing at the very end of the movie)
That way we also get the Queer community into the cinema. ;-)
Some kind of good old screwball comedy, with some speedball.
(Bad joke, i know...)
Anyway, possible soundtrack:
And just because some actors are dead, seems to be no problem,
i´ve made some "inquiries" in the web, we need a
"AI visual editor"...................
Possible soundtrack again:

Have a nice day.
PowerPC Punk
 
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Brilliant idea, Jennifer is played by John Belushi !
(His outing at the very end of the movie)
That way we also get the Queer community into the cinema. ;-)
Some kind of good old screwball comedy, with some speedball.
(Bad joke, i know...)

Dude, wth… 👎

“Satire” or not — do you even know how to satire? — all of that above is such a tell of your born station, despite all your fronting with the cutesy “punk” fauxscrabble creds.

Stay on topic and… just… don’t be like that. Grow, or something.
 
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PowerPC Punk

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Fanx, i just bought the book "How to really Satire" Part 1.
Including, the lesson, satire and how to do it or not.
Plus lesson 2, what if people don´t like or understand it,
and lesson 3, how to deal with morons.
I hope i learn something, and grow and maybe i write again.
In mean time, is this satire, or Punk or whatever ???

 
Fanx, i just bought the book "How to really Satire" Part 1.
Including, the lesson, satire and how to do it or not.
Plus lesson 2, what if people don´t like or understand it,
and lesson 3, how to deal with morons.
I hope i learn something, and grow and maybe i write again.

It’s real simple:

If you find yourself from a base station of punching down at populations of folks who you know, on some level, are (or have been) under literal siege for merely existing, all to eke some yuk-yuks from their lesser/outnumbered station, then it’s not “satire”. It’s being a douchefrigate.

Put another way: if you’re trying to make a joke/satire/laugh out of people because you think they’ll be out of earshot (or too intimidated to say anything to counter it), then it’s a sign you need to go back to Humour 101 or, better yet, leave it and stick to what you already know how to do best.

Put even another way: I can tease your punk performativity, because you chose to embrace being a punk as something you enjoy. You, on the other hand, can’t tease my being a woman, or my being in the LGBTQ family, as these are things about who I am which I didn’t choose. But there are structures in this society — the very society a punk ethic should be challenging — which designate either my being a woman or, combined, my being both a woman and LGBTQ, as “lesser”, “secondary”, “inferior” and so on. Subsequent, everyday hostility, through no making or perpetuation on my behalf, reinforces that designation in ways both subtle and blunt. Same goes for when you’re being racialized by others whose skin is five shades lighter than yours; when your family line is pilloried, century after century, by horrific caricatures and bloody consequences; when someone gets displaced from where they were born and struggle to establish new grounding where it’s less dangerous to exist; or when someone is disabled.

Please. Learn to read the room. This is something a professional humourist has to learn to do in order to succeed.

/meta_discussion

In mean time, is this satire, or Punk or whatever ???


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No. That’s Jeff Lynne with his forever-manperm, giving us sweetly-melodic pop as only Jeff Lynne could do.

tl;dr: It’s not “satire” if one has to preface it as “satire”. 🤦‍♀️
 
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ahoi! mortlocli,

i want you as Co-writer.
Brilliant idea, Jennifer is played by John Belushi !
(His outing at the very end of the movie)
That way we also get the Queer community into the cinema. ;-)
Some kind of good old screwball comedy, with some speedball.
(Bad joke, i know...)
Anyway, possible soundtrack:
And just because some actors are dead, seems to be no problem,
i´ve made some "inquiries" in the web, we need a
"AI visual editor"...................
Possible soundtrack again:

Have a nice day.
PowerPC Punk
Co-writer??
..erm..do you mean .so we could write a movie with something to dis-please every body?
 

mortlocli

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It’s real simple:

If you find yourself from a base station of punching down at populations of folks who you know, on some level, are (or have been) under literal siege for merely existing, all to eke some yuk-yuks from their lesser/outnumbered station, then it’s not “satire”. It’s being a douchefrigate.

Put another way: if you’re trying to make a joke/satire/laugh out of people because you think they’ll be out of earshot (or too intimidated to say anything to counter it), then it’s a sign you need to go back to Humour 101 or, better yet, leave it and stick to what you already know how to do best.

Put even another way: I can tease your punk performativity, because you chose to embrace being a punk as something you enjoy. You, on the other hand, can’t tease my being a woman, or my being in the LGBTQ family, as these are things about who I am which I didn’t choose. But there are structures in this society — the very society a punk ethic should be challenging — which designate either my being a woman or, combined, my being both a woman and LGBTQ, as “lesser”, “secondary”, “inferior” and so on. Subsequent, everyday hostility, through no making or perpetuation on my behalf, reinforces that designation in ways both subtle and blunt. Same goes for when you’re being racialized by others whose skin is five shades lighter than yours; when your family line is pilloried, century after century, by horrific caricatures and bloody consequences; when someone gets displaced from where they were born and struggle to establish new grounding where it’s less dangerous to exist; or when someone is disabled.

Please. Learn to read the room. This is something a professional humourist has to learn to do in order to succeed.

/meta_discussion



No. That’s Jeff Lynne with his forever-manperm, giving us sweetly-melodic pop as only Jeff Lynne could do.

tl;dr: It’s not “satire” if one has to preface it as “satire”. 🤦‍♀️
Oops oops - sorry mag, my clowning around may have mis-lead punk.
Ya gotta admire his enthusiasm once he gets an idea though...even if some wot mis-guided.

If you find yourself:

 

Ataman Honcho Honchev

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And the same time one of the authors of the article suggests buying a refurbished Mac:


They seem to contradict each other - but the original article is not without merit.
I seen countless time people without any clout selling / buying Macs on fee-Bay.

Or other things like cameras, lenses, PC-s, and so on.

If you look at eBay listings you may even find SSD / NVMe drives claimed to be "refurbished".

I am sure, the seller has access to the newest microcode, checked and replaced worn out cells and so on.
Riiiight? 😂

Macs aren't any different. One can make money from "grey market", "retro market", "refurb market" if there is some extra (like inside information, technical skills, being a skilled repairman, have good coding skills and so on).

Buying / selling something one has no inside info is very risky.

At least in this forum quite a few people are well-informed and technically gifted.
The general public is less so.

Where the author of these articles is not right: the audience of "MacWelt" is certainly more technically gifted, than the general public.
 
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