Work must have issued me the 2015 stepchild MBP?
It's getting slower and slower each day and more and more petulant, while none of my work has changed.
Maybe it's just tired, IDK.
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It's getting slower and slower each day and more and more petulant, while none of my work has changed.
Maybe it's just tired, IDK.
Ok, yes - the i5 is not as fast as i7 but its still not slow. It has only slightly less single core performance as 2017 3.7GHz Mac Pro. I mean like 10% or so. Multi core performance difference is obviously bigger as it has less cores. But, still I would say its not a bad machine in any way.
I would not worry about the internet stuff. The reality is not as bad as media likes to tell us. As long as you don't install malware (download and install software from unknown sources) on you computer you are quite safe. And if you want an extra layer of protection install a security package with antivirus and www-shields.
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Haven't read your thread yet, will do later. But, here is my 2 cents: clean the dust bunnies out, reapply thermal paste, use drivedx to check that your SSD is still ok, then do a complete clean reinstall of OS and everything. And maybe also replace the original SSD with an NVMe for additional boost (I did on my 2014 MBP and it really is faster than the original).
Provided he’s allowed to do that on a work-issued machine.
All very good to do.
But as I said, this is my work Mac. I am not authorized, nor do I have the kind of access required, to do what you state. I am also not buying parts for a Mac that does not belong to me.
Frankly, this is my employer's problem - not mine. And that is going to be solved in a few weeks when new Macs are issued to us employees.
Is this true? As there is no 2017 Mac Pro I assume you're referring to the 2013 Mac Pro?
Yes, they were made and sold new until end of 2019, except the one model which was discontinued in 2017, according to everymac.com. And I based my comments of single core CPU -performance on their Geekbench scores for each computer in question. Obviously Mac Pros usually have more cores and RAM and more powerful GPU etc.
Yes, I know of this workaround. But at least the workaround exists. The problem with all (not just some) Apple devices is that this obsolesence is planned and systematic. Now of course I understand that for Apple to keep alive an ever-growing number of devices means mounting costs but it's also by not doing that they keep up the sales of new devices. There is literally every incentive to keep on making new stuff and selling more of it.
But thar goes completely against the customer's wallet as well as any environmental concerns anyone may have. The "use and discard" situation is hardly alleviated by Apple who claims to be ever more effective at recycling their old stuff.
The computing industry is getting like the 'Arms Race'..there's always someone coming out with something better.
Don't buy a second hand Mac,
Steal a new one instead!!!
Don't buy a second hand Mac,
Steal a new one instead!!!
Sidebar: the 2002–2009 BSG canon is absolutely brilliant script and story writing, with a truly legendary cast of both past and future.
I‘ve watched the entire series, in order (yes, this means watching Caprica first!) thrice. I may do so again when autumn returns.
It was the most exhilarating teevee I've ever witnessed - the Exodus episode left me literally shaking and pumped with adrenalin! Too many high points....
I have the DVD-boxes. Should watch it again. 👍🏻
I don't think it was televised here. So, I bought the DVD-boxes as they came out. Had to wait for the next one to be released to be able to see where the story goes.
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Man I came to this thread all riled up & itching for this fight, but OP is A-OK.Oh dear. Some of the points the article makes are just plain stupid. Nice clickbait though.
They’ll let any idiot write an article.
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Oof, yep. I’ve never quite figured out Apple’s software support cycle. It seems to flex and bend kinda at a whim.
Still, 2013 MBPs are getting security updates which is pretty darn solid. Can’t complain about a ten year life cycle for a MacBook.
Still, 2013 MBPs are getting security updates which is pretty darn solid. Can’t complain about a ten year life cycle for a MacBook.
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The answers to all your questions are maybe here:
The answers to all your questions are maybe here:
On the system software side, the mostly tacit/occasionally explicit reminder by Apple is they support the current OS and the prior two major versions of OS builds, before dropping them. As of this writing, Ventura is current, so Monterey and Big Sur are what Apple are supporting with software, firmware, and security updates.*
This has been the case since at least when Snow Leopard was the current OS (and the oldest Apple supported was Tiger). The obvious issue here is, starting from Lion (the first version of OS X/macOS to be overseen completely by Tim Cook**), Apple began rolling out their major version OS builds on a strictly annual basis, regardless of how “finished” that major version was.
And Apple could do this because consumers were no longer buying the OS and, as consumers should, expecting the OS product to be a finished quality product becoming of a purchased product. That’s because the consumers who once bought the OS stopped being treated by Apple as consumers and were re-designated b the company (and backed by shareholders) as being the product. This is evidenced by the significant telemetry and umbilical corded-nature of what OS X/macOS became from Lion, forward, which has only escalated with each new major version since.
Consequently, building and releasing a relatively tidy product, the OS, stopped being the priority since consumers no longer could consume it via purchase of an upgrade. As the OS’s tidiness was also deprecated, so too was the imperative to keep the OS free of guff and garbage development contents, such as the inexplicable appearance of the Bitcoin manifesto, post-High Sierra, and other contents which bear no relationship or purpose for the end-user (i.e., the “former consumer”, now the “current product”).
* This typically gets treated separately from hardware-specific fixes which need addressing, as Apple’s hardware support is dependent on whether a product is designated as either “supported”, “vintage” or “obsolete”. This often goes back as far as seven or eight years for particular Macs, and less so for others. So long as a product is in “vintage” status, there is still the possibility of a fix being released for something to come up in particular — often matters pertaining to things like component firmware.
** Yes, I completely have a bee in my bonnet about Tim Cook, and yes, this bee is living in my bonnet forever
Feel you on this. I wish it were always explicit. Sometimes Apple will go back and patch a massive security hole. But not always. What is that bar and why?
Truly the best way to stay secure is to stay current but my personal turnover time for hardware is 4-5 years which generally works but there is no guarantee from Apple.
It’s kinda frustrating. Oh, there’s that bee you mentioned…
Doesn’t everyone format devices before using them?
New or used
It’s like buying a new or used spoon and putting it in your mouth without washing it first
New or used
It’s like buying a new or used spoon and putting it in your mouth without washing it first
Your title is about "second-hand Macs," yet these points only make sense (assuming an intelligent person said them) if you're talking about really, really old Macs that are like 10+ years old—and even then not all are necessarily true.
1. Why aren't old Macs secure? This is some bogus ignorant silliness. You need to define "old" before making this claim. Security often comes down to the software available, too. Is a 2019 Mac "old"? You could certainly buy one used. That doesn't make it "not secure."
2. No? It's literally easier to find spare parts for older Macs, especially because many older Macs are easier to repair. The 2012 Macs, for example, are widely known to be amazing for their repairability and upgradeability.
3. Again, depends on the Mac. But this has 100% nothing to do with buying used. I bought my current 2021 Mac used and it works great. And obviously has years of software support left.
4. Depends on the Mac.
5. Aha, so this is assuming some definition of "old" that means "Intel," and therefore has nothing to do with "second-hand Macs."
What a dumb post.
EDIT: Realized this is in the PowerPC thread - even so, rebuttals to points 1, 2, and 4 all stand. And the more important point is that people buying PowerPC Macs are either doing so for very niche use cases, in which case these old Macs are better than anything new, or they are doing them as hobbyists or collectors, in which case none of this matters.
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The bar for those edge cases is probably one predicated on burden of company liability, especially for those products still “vintage” in some locales and “obsolete” in others.
The best way to stay secure is to have good, preventive measures in place (products like Little Snitch and clamXav); good hygienic practices online (including using browser add-ons which have blacklists for blocking known phishing and malware sites); making sure the Firewall systemPref pane is active and configured; and running all the security updates for your system’s OS (whatever OS you decide to use).
The rest is largely the company preferring you, the product, to use their latest updates to improve data aggregation on your for marketing purposes.
(I wish I didn’t sound so cynical as this last passage, but that’s where we are now.)
When shareholder prices for AAPL show a steady, ebbing trend and/or a downward one, shareholders may get restless enough to look for a fresh skipper. Until then, the bee buzzes.
Always, whether it be a new system or a "new" hard drive / USB drive / what-have-you.
Have a much closer re-read of the original post. Go on. I insist. I’ll wait.
The original poster was summarizing the linked article. They were not the original poster’s opinion or takes on the points listed. It’s a poor look on you for missing that basic detail from the outset.
This thread was moved to the Early Intel Macs forum days ago.