Agree. Just within the last decade or so, starting from 2013 to 2015, most of the computer models and most of the software, in particular the web browsers started to get spoiled. Up until about 2015, we had Flash Player to watch videos from the Internet. FP was working fantastically on the old computers. I remember watching 480p even 720p videos easily on my 2005 make 32bit Intel 1.5Ghz IBM ThinkPad but after the HTML5 replaced the FP it became impossible to watch even the 360p or 240p videos on the same ThinkPad. That applies more or less to my Mac mini G4. So it is the newest "crappy" software which put the old computers in trouble.
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Don´t buy a second hand mac !
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But the claim was always apple product s have great resale value.ahoi!
Imortant advice (?), i´ve read today, in this shi.ty newspaper:
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Warum Sie keinen Mac aus zweiter Hand kaufen sollten
Viele kaufen gebrauchte Macs in der Überzeugung, dass sie ein Schnäppchen machen, begehen stattdessen aber einen großen Fehler!www.macwelt.de
Sorry, in german "ignorance" only, but the main facts are:
1. Old Macs are not secure.
2. It´s hard to get spare parts.
3.There is no appropriate Software-Support.
4. The performance will disappoint you.
5. It´s only Intel.
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Oh my God;
If they knew, what we are talking about here...
Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Never mind, have a punkin´weekend !
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I use a 12-inch iBook G4 for writing, and it's a wonderful machine; it's zippy for that task, has a 4:3 screen ratio, and never overheats (mainly because I keep it offline). It has Word 2004 on it and is running Tiger. It has no distractions on it, and the keyboard is lovely to type on.
I could care less what version it's running because it's never gonna be online again. I don't care how 'secure' it is from that point of view. It's not like my iMac or MBP, running Mojave and Big Sur respectively. I keep those up to date and watch myself online on them.
People writing those articles assume that people are going to use the PowerPCs as their only daily driver, which isn't always the case. They can be amazing for doing experiments, niche tasks, running old software/games, etc, even now.
And the few who do still use exclusively a PPC as a daily driver still make sure that they are safe online. They only use verified software, and keep things good. They know what they are doing. They know what to expect.
I could care less what version it's running because it's never gonna be online again. I don't care how 'secure' it is from that point of view. It's not like my iMac or MBP, running Mojave and Big Sur respectively. I keep those up to date and watch myself online on them.
People writing those articles assume that people are going to use the PowerPCs as their only daily driver, which isn't always the case. They can be amazing for doing experiments, niche tasks, running old software/games, etc, even now.
And the few who do still use exclusively a PPC as a daily driver still make sure that they are safe online. They only use verified software, and keep things good. They know what they are doing. They know what to expect.
You've triggered a BSG flashback! Was that your intention?
Journalists will always write asinine, misinformed articles about computing whilst dedicated enthusiasts push back against their misreporting for the betterment of the community. Which is exactly what happens here on a daily basis.
Of course for a 13 year old Mac you will not get any support, security patches, modern software, modern WiFi. So it is likely poor choice for a beginner or for anything online. But for $40 it may be fun to fool around with.
As with ALL used computer equipment, wipe everything from the machine and reload the OS and software from official media. That includes computers, phones, tablets, routers, or basically anything else... regardless of manufacturer.
And if possible, upgrade the RAM and add an SSD to it. You will love the improvements, and they're both cheap. Even if you're using it for light tasks or messing around, it's still good to do.
No, not this time. My knowledge of the BSG remake is very lacking, so any reference is completely unintentional. We've engaged in discussion in other threads that got moved here before is all. I don't see that changing.You've triggered a BSG flashback! Was that your intention?
A lot here I disagree with, but just from a personal preference perspective. I'm not saying you're wrong. It would just seem you and I have very different opinions on certain Mac models and certain apps.
I'm much more of a 17" PowerBook and Word 2008 type person.
I would just caveat that it's not strictly necessary to be using modern software. The standards are really what matter. If you were to send a Word file (DOCX) or an InDesign markup file (IDML), these could be opened on 13+ year old Macs. Word X was the first version of Word for OS X that was able to open DOCX files, while Word 2004 and Word 2008 both open/save them natively. And ID CS4 and above will open IDML files from the current version of InDesign. Same with an Adobe Illustrator (AI) or Photoshop (PSD) file.
Of course it goes without saying that JPG, PNG, PDF, EPS and TIFF would also open on a 13+ year old Mac.
These standards have been tweaked over the years, but they haven't changed yet. When they do, these older Macs are stuck in their time period.
A lot here I disagree with, but just from a personal preference perspective. I'm not saying you're wrong. It would just seem you and I have very different opinions on certain Mac models and certain apps.
I'm much more of a 17" PowerBook and Word 2008 type person.
Haha, fair enough. Nothing wrong with having preferences. What you like, is what you like.
For me, I find that form factor useful for typing documents, but there's nothing wrong with wanting a bigger screen or a bigger surface area/keyboard to type on/ have more applications on the screen. I like how Word 2004 runs on it as well. It just works, and that's all I need for typing documents.
I'm more of a 'use my 17-inch devices to watch movies/Netflix' kinda person.
No, it was posted here - I saw it before there were any replys. Maybe it was promoted to some main feed somewhere (I don't know what that's called.)
The article is no doubt aimed at people who upon seeing the shiny logo think they've hit the jackpot....
Thanks for answering.
I’m gonna look up that thread and read more about it.
My wife still has a 2015 MacBook Pro and it still gets security updates, even if it didn’t get Ventura now.
For simple tasks it’s performs very well.
So if I understand this right, you can absolutely use a Mac even after the last update, but it’s probably not a good idea to use it on the internet. Maybe if you can somehow make it safe?
But you can use it for office use, and lighter productivity. If you have some patience😁
It’s great that Vivaldi still support a 2009 Mac. It does looks good for the future.
A little side note. I’m planning to buy my wife a new MacBook Air M2 now in June on our wedding day.
She had this Mac since 2015 and never complained, so she is worthy of a new one.
And then I can take over the 2015 and use for lighter task, even after the last update.
Sounds like a win-win situation😊
Forgive me if someone already makes note of the following later during the thread, as I’m still browsing it.
The second point is legit, insofar as two areas are concerned:
1) Finding a replacement retina LCD is, basically, unobtanium shy of cannibalizing another Mac with a functioning display. Consequently, cannibalized displays and display assemblies end up being pricey af.
2) The closer one reaches the still-supported Macs, the higher likelihood one runs into problems with either a) soldered consumable components which fail (and whose replacements necessitate folks trained and offering the service of board soldering); and b) components which are either locked due to the T1 chip and/or components which are matched cryptographically at time of assembly.
Both of these areas are completely Apple’s conscious doing, are anti-competitive, and they are not a function of modern tech itself — as similar-spec laptops sold by other companies use the same standards for RAM, displays (including off-the-shelf OLEDs), and solid-state storage without the soldering/cryptography brainworms Apple love to embrace with their Cook-era hardware.
The rest of the piece, especially that fourth point (meaningless unless one is working with editing 4K raw video and/or an esports-level “gamer”) is just a filler piece for a consumer web site whose mandate is to get readers to, well, consume like the world is an all-you-can-eat buffet (which it is not).
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And here's me making music on my underclocked 2005 Powerbook with the same software, in the same way, at the same speed as what runs on an M1 Mac.....what an idiot....
Not so much “common sense” as actually stopping for a couple of hours to consciously and critically think about it.
In other words, do your homework (which, yah, might get a lot of kvetching from folks who hated having homework, to the point of dropping out of secondary school or skipping tertiary school altogether, but sorry, doing your homework — call it consumer diligence if it makes one feel less anxious about it — is an invaluable life skill).
My assumption is that the thread was originally posted outside the PowerPC subforum before it got moved by mods (to this subforum). There were replies to it before it got moved, which explains how quite a few users who do not frequent the PowerPC subforum are involved.
If I am, we have some new users to the PowerPC subforum.
As this thread‘s original post links to an article discussing, implicitly and explicitly, older Intel Macs (though not terribly specific on which Intel Macs in particular), I reported it to the mods as a good thread candidate for a move over to the Early Intel Macs forum.
That thread, for all the valuable info contained within, is a remarkable object lesson on how not to organize and structure information for reader/user accessibility. Going in there to clean it up and make it user-accessible will detonate its chief participant, whose brain is the Rosetta stone on knowing which post numbers contain all the useful content within.
Simple tasks? 😂 2015 i7 MBP's are per core as fast or faster than all Mac Pro's up to 2019 Trashcans. Its more than capable to do more than simple tasks.
Sure, M1/2 will be faster in demanding work but the 2015 is no slouch. Especially 15" models with i7 4 core CPU's are really good and capable machines, even today. I recommend you keep it as a backup.
Ahh....that old chestnut of "lite browsing" Luckily I have a warning that triggers when I stray into "heavy browsing" and change gear accordingly....
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The thing is that this specific MacBook Pro has a duo core i5, so it’s not so fast as the i7.
Idk how fast the i7 is to the i5 in reality, but I’m guessing it’s noticeable.
But i’m gonna keep it, as you say, for either a backup Mac or a daily driver.
Perhaps not connected to the internet🙂
Gotcha. It was just a guess as it's happened before.
Forum Spy is the term I believe, although I'm not sure that's being used now.
LOL!
My work Mac is a 2015 MBP running High Sierra. So, my 2009 Mac Pro is running a newer version of MacOS.
The company is planning on new Macs and I am told it's a matter of weeks now, not months. So we will see.
But good for your wife!