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mbell1975

macrumors 6502a
Mar 17, 2012
737
0
Funny thing is I am typing this from my iPad thats running iOS :eek: So much better implementation on the iPad than the iPhone.
 

lordofthereef

macrumors G5
Nov 29, 2011
13,161
3,721
Boston, MA
Your concerns are secondary to irrelevenf if the demands on power are so high that a person needs extra juice on the go.

And slipping on a Mophie takes about as much effort as changing your battery and subjecting your phone to more handling wear and tear.

My demands are irrelevant based on what, your own opinions? There are plenty of people that do work with their phones and need their phone not to die.

Please also don't simply skip over my other issues I had with the mophie (added bulk). I also didn't mention the fact that you barely get a full charge out of the largest mophie they offer and it's 2-3 times the cost of a standard battery. The mophie is no better than my portable battery. I prefer neither. Others do to. The fact that you don't care doesn't make my opinion any less valid, even as much as you seem to want it to be so.
 

nuckinfutz

macrumors 603
Jul 3, 2002
5,542
406
Middle Earth
You say "have to", I say "have the option to". There is a VERY big difference there, though I won't go anywhere as far as claiming the iPhone isn't a real phone. I am saying I would find utility in both of those options if they were made available to me.

I agree. Often I think the same. After all we live in a world of excess often. But then i'm confronted with Apple minimalism. Once I come back to the middle I realize that Apple is correct in their own ways.

Removable batteries to them hamper their ability to deliver a strong chassis. Hampers their ability to make a device thin without having to flatten the phone out over 4.6 inches.

I had a woman with an Asus Tablet tell me that the HDMI port on her tablet was a plus feature. I politely disagreed. Although it offers convenience it's yet another open port on my device that may collect something it's not supposed to and needlessly tethers me to my HDTV.

I paid for an Apple TV to give me freedom and the purchase was well worth it to me. Glad choice exists really even if Apple errs on the side of caution.
 

Technarchy

macrumors 604
May 21, 2012
6,753
4,927
My demands are irrelevant based on what, your own opinions? There are plenty of people that do work with their phones and need their phone not to die.

You established the priority as being power. According to Maslow's heirarchy of needs pyramid that would make everything secondary to irrelevant by default.

Not a difficult concept, and I'm just following your words.
 

lordofthereef

macrumors G5
Nov 29, 2011
13,161
3,721
Boston, MA
You established the priority as being power. According to Maslow's heirarchy of needs pyramid that would make everything secondary to irrelevant by default.

Not a difficult concept, and I'm just following your words.

You are trying to apply a psychological theory to the fact that there are people out there that uses their phones enough to need more juice throughout the day? Ridiculous. That is all.
 

DodgeV83

macrumors 6502a
Feb 8, 2012
879
6
comparing it to big boy phones. You don't find it sad that $50 Android phones have bigger screens, 4G, SD card slots, removable batteries etc..and a so called premium phone doesn't? You don't think its sad that a cheap POS Android phone can be customized a million ways but you can't even do something as simple as change the default browser or manage your files on an iPhone? I find it ridiculous. Thats why its the only Apple product (aside from the Mac Pro) that I got rid of and no longer own.

Hey, maybe you missed my response, so I'll ask again. You have a tendancy of ignoring my questions when I call you out, but I'd really like to discuss this:

If you were an app developer and wanted to maximize profits, but could only choose a single platform, would you choose iOS or Android?
 

batting1000

macrumors 604
Sep 4, 2011
7,464
1,874
Florida
So you guys buy electronics that have limited or no options on them? You watch your TV on the setting that comes from the factory because they know best? You don't customize your computers at all? You just run them as they come? Must be great fun.

Sure. The most customization I do on my computer is change the wallpaper. There's nothing else to do and to be honest, I spend more time on the Internet than my desktop or whatever else. I also keep my TV the same settings pretty much. The only thing I've evert changed was probably making it widescreen or whatever but as long as it displays my shows I'm fine.
 

batting1000

macrumors 604
Sep 4, 2011
7,464
1,874
Florida
FWIW I don't do any of that. I have to take many phone calls, and answer a couple hundred texts and emails a day. I am simply saying I can see things from other's point of view is all. Nobody is asking Apple to develop a phone that is pleasing to everyone in every way, shape, and form. That doesn't mean that a person who would like a removable battery shouldn't voice his/her opinion, does it?

I agree with you. I was just exaggerating a little but there.

Sorry about all these posts. The Tapatalk app doesn't let you multi quote.
 

Technarchy

macrumors 604
May 21, 2012
6,753
4,927
You are trying to apply a psychological theory to the fact that there are people out there that uses their phones enough to need more juice throughout the day? Ridiculous. That is all.

And for those that need more juice on an iPhone and android phone there are perfectly viable solutions except Apple's design gives the iPhone better integrated engineering and more streamlined manufacturing.

Everything else is splitting hairs and/or psychological.
 

lordofthereef

macrumors G5
Nov 29, 2011
13,161
3,721
Boston, MA
And for those that need more juice on an iPhone and android phone there are perfectly viable solutions except Apple's design gives the iPhone better integrated engineering and more streamlined manufacturing.

Everything else is splitting hairs and/or psychological.

Sorry, but you missed the point entirely. Power is not my number one issue. With iOS, there are NO other options in terms of battery replacement. So no, it's not fair to say "get an Android" (which I have, by the way). Yes, I am talking about convenience factors. But guess what, the iPhone for the vast majority of users, the iPhone is a tool of convenience. Nothing necessary about it. All psychological. So kindly take your psychobabble elsewhere good sir.
 
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Vegastouch

macrumors 603
Jul 12, 2008
6,182
991
Las Vegas, NV
It's not a bad thing but iPhones have NEVER had removable batteries and people have gotten along just fine.

Sure but there are those who have had bad batterys and when your phone does get upgraded, most likely it will draw more power like mine did and the battery life stunk.

The issue with mbell is that he apparently wants everything to be more difficult. A phone isn't a "real" phone unless you have to manage SD cards and removable batteries.

Sorry. That crap works for geeks but the average American just wants the device to do what they want without making them jump through flaming hoops.

I agree, ...i prefer a micro card slot and its a deal breaker if a phone doesnt have one. The battery you can change out is just a plus. I dont think you need to be a geek at all to be able to do those things. They are convienient imo.
 

blackhand1001

macrumors 68030
Jan 6, 2009
2,600
37
I agree. Often I think the same. After all we live in a world of excess often. But then i'm confronted with Apple minimalism. Once I come back to the middle I realize that Apple is correct in their own ways.

Removable batteries to them hamper their ability to deliver a strong chassis. Hampers their ability to make a device thin without having to flatten the phone out over 4.6 inches.

I had a woman with an Asus Tablet tell me that the HDMI port on her tablet was a plus feature. I politely disagreed. Although it offers convenience it's yet another open port on my device that may collect something it's not supposed to and needlessly tethers me to my HDTV.

I paid for an Apple TV to give me freedom and the purchase was well worth it to me. Glad choice exists really even if Apple errs on the side of caution.

You sound like a complete jerk for telling somebody that.
 

nuckinfutz

macrumors 603
Jul 3, 2002
5,542
406
Middle Earth
You sound like a complete jerk for telling somebody that.

No..it was totally amiable. We just chatted about what was important to both of us.

Sometimes i'm a prick to some Android owners but I really don't harbor any ill feelings. It's kind of like rooting against a sports team. I like to root against Android like they're the opposing team. :D
 

Vegastouch

macrumors 603
Jul 12, 2008
6,182
991
Las Vegas, NV
Again, Apple will replace it for you for free.

In warranty yes. If you get a nice genius bar guy, maybe. They dont have to and batterys are cheap for Android on eBay.
Id just rather be able to change mine. I dont need the hassle of making an appointment with the genius bar and going down there to get it done.

That is just an advantage for Android. Those who dont care about it, great.

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No..it was totally amiable. We just chatted about what was important to both of us.

Sometimes i'm a prick to some Android owners but I really don't harbor any ill feelings. It's kind of like rooting against a sports team. I like to root against Android like they're the opposing team. :D

Well thats mature of you :rolleyes:

I dont root against Apple. In fact, id like them to keep up to make everything better. You never know, i may get another iPhone someday but right now, they are lagging behind more and more.
 

matttye

macrumors 601
Mar 25, 2009
4,957
32
Lincoln, England
I agree. Often I think the same. After all we live in a world of excess often. But then i'm confronted with Apple minimalism. Once I come back to the middle I realize that Apple is correct in their own ways.

Removable batteries to them hamper their ability to deliver a strong chassis. Hampers their ability to make a device thin without having to flatten the phone out over 4.6 inches.

I had a woman with an Asus Tablet tell me that the HDMI port on her tablet was a plus feature. I politely disagreed. Although it offers convenience it's yet another open port on my device that may collect something it's not supposed to and needlessly tethers me to my HDTV.

I paid for an Apple TV to give me freedom and the purchase was well worth it to me. Glad choice exists really even if Apple errs on the side of caution.

The galaxy S2 was thinner than the iPhone (at most points) and only had 4.3" screen. Try again.
 

depths

macrumors regular
Apr 17, 2012
112
0
The non removable battery in the iPhone is likely a tradeoff. Jobs and Ive often favoured form over function, clean lines over customer convenience.

And they hated people getting into their shiny things and messing them up.
 

Gatecrasher1875

macrumors member
Jun 11, 2012
72
0
Siri response:


Thanks for that, as an iPhone 4 user i havent had the chance to use siri yet and the only thing i didnt like compared to the google one was that siri could sound more human. I'm sure apple will attach siri to a search engine at some point in order to allow things to appear within the siri programme.
 
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