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No. Maybe in 2007 but not in 2024. A smartphone is just a small computer which fits into your pocket.



No we are not. After Android came out with apps Apple had no real choice, only to make it better.

Sometimes you have to force Apple to do what is right.
Even in 2024, a PC/Mac still uses physical keyboards and mice for most users.
Huge difference in interaction and usability... huge
 


Epic Games today announced plans to bring the Epic Games Store to iOS in the European Union, with Apple reinstating the company's developer account.

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In its 2023 Year in Review, Epic said that it received its Apple Developer Account and would soon start developing an alternative app marketplace. The Epic Games Store will launch on iOS in the EU at some point in 2024, and it will provide a way for Epic Games to bring a Fortnite app to iOS once again.

Fortnite was removed from the iOS App Store at the start of the Epic Games v. Apple feud in 2020, and it has been unavailable since then. Epic Games did bring it to iPhones and iPads through Xbox Cloud Gaming and GeForce NOW, but the game has only been accessible through these browser-based services.

Shortly after Apple's alternative app marketplace plan was announced, Epic Games promised that Fortnite would "return to iOS" in Europe, and at the same time, Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney lambasted Apple's plan to comply with the DMA. He called it a "devious new instance of Malicious Compliance" and said that the company "strongly reject Apple's twisting this process to undermine competition and continue imposing Apple taxes on transactions they're not involved in."

While working to implement the Epic Games Store on iOS, Epic also plans to continue to "argue to the courts and regulators that Apple is breaking the law."

Article Link: Epic Games Plans for Alternative App Marketplace in EU as Apple Reinstates Developer Account
Do you think, Epic would be interested in the domain appstore.eu? I own it and I don't know what to do with it or who to turn to. I have been offered to sign a blind contract with Sedo for 16m by 20% provision, but I don't trust them. Apple does make 87b a year with the App Store worldwide, 6b from the EU.
 
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i would bet more users would love a Nintendo Switch media player than forcing iOS to do what you want ;)
If it was that big a concern it would be opened up but it’s not haha 😛
And who says I would download the epic store anyway I dont play games
 
i get you might LIKE to play but why apart from the "i can change things" kudos?

Maybe we’re misunderstanding each other. I’m not arguing for the other 98% of the OS to be opened like Android.

SO many things iOS now were done earlier via jailbreaking. Home screen wallpapers (iOS 4), App switchers (iOS 4), Control Center (iOS 7), custom lock screens, widgets, etc. But now that Apple added those fundamentals, the necessity for true openness is more of a niche. I wouldn’t jailbreak my iPhone today if I had the option, but man, it was fun and useful.

I’d totally jailbreak my AVP though.

years ago every man and his dog wanted to change screens and ringtones. i never hear a nonOS ringtone when out ;)

Many of the original ringtones sucked. They’re still all on iOS, but how often do you hear the originals anymore?

Not to mention that simply: More options = less demand for alternatives.

Still think Android is your solution... :)

Why? I like nearly every aspect of iOS more. And my primary complaint is all-but resolved by paying $100/year for a Dev account.

To be honest, I would at least try Android for my primary device if it meant keeping my iMessage conversations and using iMessage on Android. But we know how Apple feels about that… Based on comments I see on relevant threads, I’m the only iPhone user who cares about this, and iMessage lock-in isn’t real. It’s so real.
 
SO many things iOS now were done earlier via jailbreaking. Home screen wallpapers (iOS 4), App switchers (iOS 4), Control Center (iOS 7), custom lock screens, widgets, etc. But now that Apple added those fundamentals, the necessity for true openness is more of a niche. I wouldn’t jailbreak my iPhone today if I had the option, but man, it was fun and useful.
Now if Apple (and Google for that matter) added a real firewall to iOS (and android), I would have zero reason to jailbreak/root or sideload😘. Of course, that will never happen because people will abuse the firewall and block ads. Not me though, I like ads😳😗😄😂🤣🤣🤣. I can't even say that with a straight face.😉 Yeah, I use a firewall to block ads, but mainly to keep apps from sending out my info.🤨
I’d totally jailbreak my AVP though.
And Apple will break your jailbreak with the next .0.x update.😓 Come on, Apple. Not every user needs to be coddled.😒 Just void the warrenty if they jailbreak. If jailbreak user breaks something, that's 1000% the user's fault.
 
Now if Apple (and Google for that matter) added a real firewall to iOS (and android), I would have zero reason to jailbreak/root or sideload😘. Of course, that will never happen because people will abuse the firewall and block ads. Not me though, I like ads😳😗😄😂🤣🤣🤣. I can't even say that with a straight face.😉 Yeah, I use a firewall to block ads, but mainly to keep apps from sending out my info.🤨

And Apple will break your jailbreak with the next .0.x update.😓 Come on, Apple. Not every user needs to be coddled.😒 Just void the warrenty if they jailbreak. If jailbreak user breaks something, that's 1000% the user's fault.
Apple has 2 billion iOS users. They have to do what’s best for their user base at large, imo.
 
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Then why no firewall on iOS? A firewall benefits 100% of the user base. It's only bad for hackers others who want access your phone without your permission.
Who controls the firewall? What happens if you want to make tweaks or it doesn’t work for you. For the non-technical who does that? Does that benefit all iOS users then.
 
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Who controls the firewall? What happens if you want to make tweaks or it doesn’t work for you. For the non-technical who does that? Does that benefit all iOS users then.
Apple could use the same application based firewall they have for macOS
 
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Who controls the firewall?
You do, just like on your computer. I'm sure a lot of folks have Little Snitch as well as the built in firewall on their Mac. If you don't, you've got some brass balls playing on the Internet without protection.
What happens if you want to make tweaks or it doesn’t work for you.
You fine tune and if you screw up, reset to default. It ain't rocket surgery. You can set it so that an app has zero network access to having access to a particular port. While it ain't rocket surgery, it could be intimidating to the uninitiated.
For the non-technical who does that? Does that benefit all iOS users then.
Leave it at the default setting and hope Apple didn't screw you over.😅 Y'all trust Apple right?
 
Just void the warrenty if they jailbreak. If jailbreak user breaks something, that's 1000% the user's fault.
Again with this nonsense. It is extremely difficult to brick a device due to jailbreaking. Has Apple ever denied people warranty service due to being jailbroken previously?
 
You do, just like on your computer. I'm sure a lot of folks have Little Snitch as well as the built in firewall on their Mac. If you don't, you've got some brass balls playing on the Internet without protection.

You fine tune and if you screw up, reset to default. It ain't rocket surgery. You can set it so that an app has zero network access to having access to a particular port. While it ain't rocket surgery, it could be intimidating to the uninitiated.

Leave it at the default setting and hope Apple didn't screw you over.😅 Y'all trust Apple right?
Hmm. It's not about trusting apple. It's about what apple believes is the best for it's customer base, in my opinion.
 
Again with this nonsense. It is extremely difficult to brick a device due to jailbreaking. Has Apple ever denied people warranty service due to being jailbroken previously?
Rooting your Android phone voids the warrenty. Why should it be different for Apple?

I don't believe in double standards. Jailbreaking/rooting is modifying your device to do what the manufacturer did not originally intend. Apple should not be responsible for damages or potential damage caused by using a device outsided of originally intended purpose. A lot of small appliances manufacturers state that they don't honor the warrenty on their consumer appliances if used in a commercial setting. They sell heavier duty versions for commerical use.

I've rooted every single android phone I've ever owned. I've bricked a few. Luckily for me, Samsung has a jib that lets you boot into fastboot a bricked Galaxy S series.

Apple shouldn't have to pay for your foolish decision. If you find the risk/rewards tipped in favor of reward, go for it.
 
Rooting your Android phone voids the warrenty. Why should it be different for Apple?

I don't believe in double standards. Jailbreaking/rooting is modifying your device to do what the manufacturer did not originally intend. Apple should not be responsible for damages or potential damage caused by using a device outsided of originally intended purpose. A lot of small appliances manufacturers state that they don't honor the warrenty on their consumer appliances if used in a commercial setting. They sell heavier duty versions for commerical use.

I've rooted every single android phone I've ever owned. I've bricked a few. Luckily for me, Samsung has a jib that lets you boot into fastboot a bricked Galaxy S series.

Apple shouldn't have to pay for your foolish decision. If you find the risk/rewards tipped in favor of reward, go for it.
Can you please explain what “damage” can be done by jailbreaking that a simple device restore couldn’t fix?

In what world is it in Apple’s best interest to charge a repair fee or refuse service on a device that was jailbroken?

If I remember correctly, “rooting” android devices is a lot different. You can install custom firmwares and bootloaders — something you cannot do on iOS with jailbreaking — and don’t have easy solutions like restoring with a PC.

You can argue that, on paper, jailbreaking “voids” the device warranty — but in practice, it essentially pauses support for software, if anything.

I’ve never heard of Apple refusing service for a jailbroken device, and I’m really not sure why they would.
 
Can you please explain what “damage” can be done by jailbreaking that a simple device restore couldn’t fix?

In what world is it in Apple’s best interest to charge a repair fee or refuse service on a device that was jailbroken?

If I remember correctly, “rooting” android devices is a lot different.
Rooting and jailbreaking are both gaining access to administrative privileges. You have total control over the phone then. It is possible--not very probable--to disable safeguards that normal users cannot. A common problem is when a user deletes a seemingly insignificant system app only to find it causes the massive battery drain. I'm guilty of that one during a debloating session.

Not common, but it's possible to overclock your android phone. If you don't know what you're doing, you can damage your phone.
You can install custom firmwares and bootloaders — something you cannot do on iOS with jailbreaking — and don’t have easy solutions like restoring with a PC.
Custom ROM is a different animal altogether. You're replacing the OS completely.
You can argue that, on paper, jailbreaking “voids” the device warranty — but in practice, it essentially pauses support for software, if anything.
There are plenty of way to restore stock ROM complete with stock, locked bootloader. A completely factory restore. I know a few people who do this to get their rooted phone fixed under warranty. Sleazy move, IMO.
I’ve never heard of Apple refusing service for a jailbroken device, and I’m really not sure why they would.
I never said Apple refused warranty service on jailbroken devices. Their policy is rather generous, IMO. Like how Costco has a rather generous return policy. What I'm saying is that they have every right to deny warranty coverage on jailbroken devices. And they should.

If they want to prevent jailbreaking, they should void the warranty on jailbroken devices instead of breaking jailbreak with subsequent updates. Those of us with jailbroken iPhones knew the risk. I accepted the consquences. I just want be able to update the OS without losing root priviledges.
 
So? It is not about how a device being used but what for.
you pick the right tool for the right job,
sure you COULD do things on a phone BUT who would want to enough to make it a positive feature?

Apple wont even release a Magic Keyboard for iPad mini because the form factor would feel too cramped.
At best these hardware (and software) tools are for "in a pinch" situations. Not every day tools.
 
If it was that big a concern it would be opened up but it’s not haha 😛
And who says I would download the epic store anyway I dont play games
Nintendo and all games consoles are very tightly controlled.
Why doesnt the EU look at that?
How much is gaming worth worldwide? and these companies "dare" to keep them closed :)
 
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Maybe we’re misunderstanding each other. I’m not arguing for the other 98% of the OS to be opened like Android.

SO many things iOS now were done earlier via jailbreaking. Home screen wallpapers (iOS 4), App switchers (iOS 4), Control Center (iOS 7), custom lock screens, widgets, etc. But now that Apple added those fundamentals, the necessity for true openness is more of a niche. I wouldn’t jailbreak my iPhone today if I had the option, but man, it was fun and useful.

I’d totally jailbreak my AVP though.



Many of the original ringtones sucked. They’re still all on iOS, but how often do you hear the originals anymore?

Not to mention that simply: More options = less demand for alternatives.



Why? I like nearly every aspect of iOS more. And my primary complaint is all-but resolved by paying $100/year for a Dev account.

To be honest, I would at least try Android for my primary device if it meant keeping my iMessage conversations and using iMessage on Android. But we know how Apple feels about that… Based on comments I see on relevant threads, I’m the only iPhone user who cares about this, and iMessage lock-in isn’t real. It’s so real.
I dont get the whole iMessages anger... blue or green bubbles.
I cant see why anyone would want to send large video files or high res images on iMessages.

Use WhatsApp or any other messaging app.
Or Dropbox or something.

The whole thing just sounds like another beat up really.
 
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I dont get the whole iMessages anger... blue or green bubbles.
I cant see why anyone would want to send large video files or high res images on iMessages.

Use WhatsApp or any other messaging app.
Or Dropbox or something.

Because I use iMessage for like 99.9% of communications from my phone? Why on earth, especially if I have an iPhone and use iMessage all the time, would I send something to somebody on a different app? I don’t know which friends use other apps.

Because I don’t want to ask my mom and all of my friends to use a different app if I want to send them something in higher quality? Hoping RCS makes it better.

Because I don’t want to manually upload a video to dropbox, wait for it to process to stream, or download locally?

I have years of conversation histories which I often search back on, and I don’t want to lose easy access to those messages.

Am I crazy for thinking these are valid reasons to be annoyed by the lack of iMessage on Android?
 
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