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Kurwenal

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What I want to know is how they get them so beautiful and shiny!

I was about to write my sarcastic, tongue-in-cheek "coffee is coffee you are all snobs" comment, but I just could not do it.

It would appear friend Scepticalscribe has disappeared into the bowels of London pen shops.......I at least hope there is coffee available!
 
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mobilehaathi

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I was about to write my sarcastic, tongue "coffee is coffee you are all snobs" comment, but I just could not do it.

It would appear friend Scepticalscribe has disappeared into the bowels of London pen shops.......I at least hope there is coffee available!

I'm sure MI6 has equipped her with the latest (top secret) La Marzocco portable. I hear it brings new meaning to the phrase, "killer shot."
 
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S.B.G

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I was about to write my sarcastic, tongue-in-cheek "coffee is coffee you are all snobs" comment, but I just could not do it.

It would appear friend Scepticalscribe has disappeared into the bowels of London pen shops.......I at least hope there is coffee available!

I'm sure MI6 has equipped her with the latest (top secret) La Marzocco portable. I hear it brings new meaning to the phrase, "killer shot."

I wonder where she is also. Perhaps her wallet got the best of her and she's been swept up in a whirlwind of shopping.

Also, our other friend, Shrink, has been under the weather this week. Think happy thoughts and lift a cup of coffee for him.
 

mobilehaathi

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I wonder where she is also. Perhaps her wallet got the best of her and she's been swept up in a whirlwind of shopping.

Also, our other friend, Shrink, has been under the weather this week. Think happy thoughts and lift a cup of coffee for him.

Poor bloke! I'll send some good juju his way (and drink a few cups of coffee, to boot).
 

Shrink

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I wonder where she is also. Perhaps her wallet got the best of her and she's been swept up in a whirlwind of shopping.

Also, our other friend, Shrink, has been under the weather this week. Think happy thoughts and lift a cup of coffee for him.

Poor bloke! I'll send some good juju his way (and drink a few cups of coffee, to boot).

Thanks you, folks, for your good wishes.

Coughing, sore throat, etc. notwithstanding...as soon as my machine heats up...I'll raise an espresso to me, too!:p

I also hope all is well with SS, and that she's just taken a few days off from posting. I miss her presence...
 

mobilehaathi

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Thanks you, folks, for your good wishes.

Coughing, sore throat, etc. notwithstanding...as soon as my machine heats up...I'll raise an espresso to me, too!:p

I also hope all is well with SS, and that she's just taken a few days off from posting. I miss her presence...

Without her, this thread is mostly a few dudes getting together and talking about their grinders, comparing their crema, and ogling Shrink's rather impressive lever machine!:p
 

Kurwenal

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Without her, this thread is mostly a few dudes getting together and talking about their grinders, comparing their crema, and ogling Shrink's rather impressive lever machine!:p

Heh heh, funny.


And best wishes to Shrink as well for a quick recovery.
 

Kurwenal

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Now if we can get him to go see his doc, he can come back and participate more.

I've been married to a doctor for a long time......I can say with complete confidence and zero risk of painting with a too-broad brush that they, as a group, make (by far) the worst patients.
 

Scepticalscribe

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In a coffee shop.
I was about to write my sarcastic, tongue-in-cheek "coffee is coffee you are all snobs" comment, but I just could not do it.

It would appear friend Scepticalscribe has disappeared into the bowels of London pen shops.......I at least hope there is coffee available!

Ah, no. Blushes becomingly…..

Rather than London pen shops, might I suggest Bath Ye Olde Antique Mappe Shoppes?

I have left wonderful London, and have travelled to the south west to visit dear old friends who live in Bristol for some serious R&R.

Duvets, blankets, much sleep, kind souls putting hot water bottles in my bed (in a late Georgian house in Bristol), offering tea (and yes, French press pots of coffee), drives to civilised places such as Bath, Wells (ever heard Evensong in Wells Cathedral? - well, no, neither had I until yesterday)….

Okay. I love ancient maps. (And modern maps, too). Love them. I love to study and examine how the world is ordered on paper (and parchment) and what that reveals about the state of knowledge, and more telling still, the attitudes that underpin the depiction of cartographic representations of countries, continents, and cities…..

I bought a map of the British Isles by the wonderful (German) cartographer Johann Homann, whose maps are works of art; and another (which I had not intended to buy when I entered the shop), also of the British Isles, this one by the (somewhat rather well known) Flemish cartographer Abraham Ortelius. The shop in question is in the wonderful old town of Bath, and actually does go by the name of "The Antique Map Shop Bath"….


I'm sure MI6 has equipped her with the latest (top secret) La Marzocco portable. I hear it brings new meaning to the phrase, "killer shot."

If only. However, were I to be equipped with such a piece of equipment, - if budgets allowed the bureaucracy for which I work to fund such wonders……..I……would not be found wanting…..and nor, would I,…….hesitate…..to use it…..appropriately...

I wonder where she is also. Perhaps her wallet got the best of her and she's been swept up in a whirlwind of shopping.

Also, our other friend, Shrink, has been under the weather this week. Think happy thoughts and lift a cup of coffee for him.

Sorry to hear Shrink has been under the weather.

I have been shopping…..and yes, sleeping…a lot….and coughing..and sneezing……and reading, and resting, and generally doing R&R, and busily avoiding my computer almost entirely (and not even replying to emails) except to check (briefly) for unfortunately absolutely necessary current affairs stuff…...


Thanks you, folks, for your good wishes.

Coughing, sore throat, etc. notwithstanding...as soon as my machine heats up...I'll raise an espresso to me, too!:p

I also hope all is well with SS, and that she's just taken a few days off from posting. I miss her presence...

Join the club. I'm still spluttering. (Yes, I know the reason - this is my first 'proper' holiday - as opposed to a brief break - in three years and I am very tired).

Let us cough, resonantly, hoarsely, and deeply, in unison…..

Hope you recover soon……and take very good care of yourself…..


Without her, this thread is mostly a few dudes getting together and talking about their grinders, comparing their crema, and ogling Shrink's rather impressive lever machine!:p

Well, okay, I don't do dudes talking about their grinders…..and comparing their crema…….

However, I can discuss exquisite fountain pens (in tedious detail along with a few strange anecdotes concerning same), and can describe antique maps in the sort of worshipful tone which only those equally afflicted will ever understand…...
 
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mobilehaathi

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Fortunately for us, a few of them make a decent espresso, though.

Not in my family. :( (espresso or other coffee)

One of them sets their burr grinder to the finest setting, grinds two to three times the necessary beans (let us not speak of what kind of beans), and then proceeds to auto-drip some of the most acrid sludge known to humankind.

Neither calm rhetoric nor gasps of horror have succeeded in convincing this beloved person that they might be over-extracting their coffee.

I promptly gave up after I made the person a proper pour-over and I was met with, "This is utterly tasteless and bland. You didn't use nearly enough beans. I expected better because you know so much about coffee!"

:mad::rolleyes:

Shrink's rule and all that.....

:rolleyes:

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Ah, no. Blushes becomingly…..

Rather than London pen shops, might I suggest Bath Ye Olde Antique Mappe Shoppes?

I have left wonderful London, and have travelled to the south west to visit dear old friends who live in Bristol for some serious R&R.

Duvets, blankets, much sleep, kind souls putting hot water bottles in my bed (in a late Georgia house in Bristol), offering tea (and yes, French press post of coffee), drives to civilised places such as Bath, Wells (ever heard Evensong in Wells Cathedral? - well, no, neither had I until yesterday)….

Okay. I love ancient maps. (And modern maps, too). Love them. I love to study and examine how the world is ordered on paper (and parchment) and what that reveals about the state of knowledge, and more telling still, the attitudes that underpin the depiction of cartographic representations of countries, continents, and cities…..

I bought a map of the British Isles by the wonderful (German) cartographer Johann Homann, whose maps are works of art; and another (which I had not intended to buy when I entered the shop), also of the British Isles, this one by the (somewhat rather well known) Flemish cartographer Abraham Ortelius. The shop in question is in the wonderful old town of Bath, and actually does go by the name of "The Antique Map Shop Bath"….

Okay, I hope you secured a tether to the outside world, because if you're anything like me, that is a place that could swallow me up for weeks...
 

Kurwenal

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Ah, no. Blushes becomingly…..

Great to see your post!

Rather than London pen shops, might I suggest Bath Ye Olde Antique Mappe Shoppes?

Ah, yet another hobby that goes so well with fountain pens, classical music, and espresso. Tip o the hat.

who live in Bristol for some serious R&R.

Ah, beware the vicious Chicken of Bristol.


Not in my family. :( (espresso or other coffee)

Well, next time they fire up and drink a pot of crap, just look at them and say "your breath stinks."
 

S.B.G

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Ah, no. Blushes becomingly…..

Rather than London pen shops, might I suggest Bath Ye Olde Antique Mappe Shoppes?

I have left wonderful London, and have travelled to the south west to visit dear old friends who live in Bristol for some serious R&R.

Duvets, blankets, much sleep, kind souls putting hot water bottles in my bed (in a late Georgian house in Bristol), offering tea (and yes, French press pots of coffee), drives to civilised places such as Bath, Wells (ever heard Evensong in Wells Cathedral? - well, no, neither had I until yesterday)….

Okay. I love ancient maps. (And modern maps, too). Love them. I love to study and examine how the world is ordered on paper (and parchment) and what that reveals about the state of knowledge, and more telling still, the attitudes that underpin the depiction of cartographic representations of countries, continents, and cities…..

I bought a map of the British Isles by the wonderful (German) cartographer Johann Homann, whose maps are works of art; and another (which I had not intended to buy when I entered the shop), also of the British Isles, this one by the (somewhat rather well known) Flemish cartographer Abraham Ortelius. The shop in question is in the wonderful old town of Bath, and actually does go by the name of "The Antique Map Shop Bath"….




If only. However, were I to be equipped with such a piece of equipment, - if budgets allowed the bureaucracy for which I work to fund such wonders……..I……would not be found wanting…..and nor, would I,…….hesitate…..to use it…..appropriately...



Sorry to hear Shrink has been under the weather.

I have been shopping…..and yes, sleeping…a lot….and coughing..and sneezing……and reading, and resting, and generally doing R&R, and busily avoiding my computer almost entirely (and not even replying to emails) except to check (briefly) for unfortunately absolutely necessary current affairs stuff…...




Join the club. I'm still spluttering. (Yes, I know the reason - this is my first 'proper' holiday - as opposed to a brief break - in three years and I am very tired).

Let us cough, resonantly, hoarsely, and deeply, in unison…..

Hope you recover soon……and take very good care of yourself…..




Well, okay, I don't do dudes talking about their grinders…..and comparing their crema…….

However, I can discuss exquisite fountain pens (in tedious detail along with a few strange anecdotes concerning same), and can describe antique maps in the sort of worshipful tone which only those equally afflicted will ever understand…...

Hooray! She's back! You were sorely missed 'round these parts.

I'm sorry to hear you're still not feeling well and I sure do hope that you will get better soon.
 

Scepticalscribe

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In a coffee shop.
Not in my family. :( (espresso or other coffee)

One of them sets their burr grinder to the finest setting, grinds two to three times the necessary beans (let us not speak of what kind of beans), and then proceeds to auto-drip some of the most acrid sludge known to humankind.

Neither calm rhetoric nor gasps of horror have succeeded in convincing this beloved person that they might be over-extracting their coffee.

I promptly gave up after I made the person a proper pour-over and I was met with, "This is utterly tasteless and bland. You didn't use nearly enough beans. I expected better because you know so much about coffee!"

:mad::rolleyes:

Shrink's rule and all that.....

:rolleyes:

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Okay, I hope you secured a tether to the outside world, because if you're anything like me, that is a place that could swallow me up for weeks...

Um, well, yes, I think it may have.

I first visited that shop over seven years ago, and er, sadly drooled. Now, in certain strange places where I have since worked, salivating over their website has been a source of - um - welcome escapism for me (they were delighted and amazed to learn this fact when I informed them of such this week…)

Anyway, I am not entirely certain. That is, because I gave The Old Mappe Shoppe certain……um…..hints about cartographic……um…..interests….of mine (such as, ah, a nice - very nice - map of Europe, by Johann Homann, or maybe by Hondius……) should such ever come their way…….and one or two other such delights…….they took my details…...
 

mobilehaathi

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Um, well, yes, I think it may have.

I first visited that shop over seven years ago, and er, sadly drooled. Now, in certain strange places where I have since worked, salivating over their website has been a source of - um - welcome escapism for me (they were delighted and amazed to learn this fact when I informed them of such this week…)

Anyway, I am not entirely certain. That is, because I gave The Old Mappe Shoppe certain……um…..hints about cartographic……um…..interests….of mine (such as, ah, a nice - very nice - map of Europe, by Johann Homann, or maybe by Hondius……) should such ever come their way…….and one or two other such delights…….they took my details…...

Forgive my nosiness, and feel free not to answer, but is this the fine map you purchased?:)
 

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Scepticalscribe

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In a coffee shop.
Great to see your post!



Ah, yet another hobby that goes so well with fountain pens, classical music, and espresso. Tip o the hat.



Ah, beware the vicious Chicken of Bristol.




Well, next time they fire up and drink a pot of crap, just look at them and say "your breath stinks."

Thank you.

Yes, my thoughts exactly. I agree with you in that I do think that ancient maps go awfully well with fountain pens, espresso, and classical music……

I surprised myself with the Ortelius; I hadn't intended to buy it (I could argue that a little card which is an escape artist leaped chortling out of my wallet but that would be a bit of a distortion of the truth) when I saw it on the website, only to take a good look at it to say that I actually beheld it with my own bespectacled eyes.

So, when - at my request - they had put the Homann out, propped against the wall, nice and informal, along with one or two others (of the British Isles maps from the same era), well, I asked - whether they could actually show the Ortelius, lined up, propped on the floor, against a wall, alongside the other maps of the British Isles; Good God, a genuine Ortelius……..what can I say?

Hooray! She's back! You were sorely missed 'round these parts.

I'm sorry to hear you're still not feeling well and I sure do hope that you will get better soon.

Thank you kindly. Seriously, it is nothing more than (serious) exhaustion…..which tender loving care in a lovely old house with lovely old friends is addressing……

Tomorrow, Gloucester (Cathedral and all) and Cheltenham……..


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Forgive my nosiness, and feel free not to answer, but is this the fine map you purchased?:)

Um, yes. One of two…

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and then a few pints of blood.....

That, too…….I never said that my passion for antique cartography (like my passion for good coffee, wonderful fountain pens, bespoke tailoring) comes cheaply……...
 

Scepticalscribe

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In a coffee shop.
Ahh, I somehow missed that you mentioned the Ortelius too.

Wish I could see them closer...

Actually I know very little about antique cartography, but I can't help but be fascinated by maps for precisely the reasons you mentioned above....

When you look at the dates…….oooof. It is amazing……and the Ortelius was something I hadn't expected that I would…..um…..buy.

Of course, you don't look for absolute (or even relative) accuracy; what is interesting is the depiction of countries (continents and cities, states) and so on.

There are attitudes underpinning cartography - like language, cartography is not always neutral, and nuances in how it is described and depicted can creep in. Early maps of the US or North America depicted California as an island - a large one, granted - (because that is what they thought it was), while more modern maps have understated Africa, and sometimes overstated what used to be the old USSR.

Even aside from that, I find the history of countries, as told by maps, to be fascinating. Hardly any country in Europe has the exact same boundaries in 2000 as they had in 1900 (my students used to be very shocked by this, as they thought that the boundaries of nation states were somehow immutable, even in - or, above all in - 'stable' western Europe, but history will tell you that this is not actually the case….not in the UK, not in France, nor Italy, nor Germany, not Scandinavia, and this is all before you cross the Elbe into the former countries of 'Eastern' Europe…...).

What used to be described as Eastern Europe is an even more telling example of this, and, even in my life time, I have lived through state changes, state creation, state dissolution, and attendant boundary changes in Europe, not all of them peacefully (and here I need hardly mention contemporary events in what is now - but may not always be - Ukraine…)

Odd to say, but - weirdly apt - Sergey Prokofiev is playing on the iPod in the background, the 'Montagues and Capulets' from his ballet, 'Romeo and Juliet'….

 
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Scepticalscribe

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In a coffee shop.
Thank you, Kurwenal.

However, the occupants of the wonderful old house where I am staying sometimes offer services to friends (along the lines of 'I will look after your dog for several days while you sail a boat for charity around the coast of southern England and Up The Thames to Hampton Court' services).

One such beast arrived today for a stay of a few days, a lovely hairy and affectionate adolescent beast, and, as he barked rather volubly while I watched a slightly violent clip on YouTube which depicted a scene from Foyle's War, I dare not watch the ferocious Chicken of Bristol (and Brave Sir Robin) while young Erik thinks I might need protection in the kitchen basement of a Georgian house from dangers unknown (but not, alas, unheard with the sharp ears of a young dog...).

Three floors up, safely ensconced in my own room, and I might risk a peek…...
 

Kurwenal

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Three floors up, safely ensconced in my own room, and I might risk a peek…...

Just a peek.....and then some piques to come later in the post.

Clearly, you are having a highly enjoyable and well-deserved holiday. Coffee, pens, maps, Prokofiev. I am very happy for you. And, you are just one bridge and a bit of a drive away from one of my all-time favorite spots: Tintern Abbey, theme of one of my all-time favorite anythings. Years and years and years ago, when my then-employer sent me on my first trip ever to the UK (to the lovely little industrial town of Swindon.....currently, your neighbor) I hired a driver and car as I absolutely had to visit Tintern. It never disappoints.

Switching back to coffee for a second....

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Ethiopiques.....life is good.

2297.96 grams, I will lose 30% in roasting and inspection....1617.58 remaining, 18g "high" double ristretto shots.....89.87 shots of happiness in the bag right there.

Love this coffee.
 
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Kurwenal

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Composed a few miles.....

And I have felt
A presence that disturbs me with the joy
Of elevated thoughts; a sense sublime
Of something far more deeply interfused,
Whose dwelling is the light of setting suns,
And the round ocean and the living air,
And the blue sky, and in the mind of man;
A motion and a spirit, that impels 100
All thinking things, all objects of all thought,
And rolls through all things. Therefore am I still
A lover of the meadows and the woods,
And mountains; and of all that we behold
From this green earth; of all the mighty world
Of eye, and ear,--both what they half create,
And what perceive; well pleased to recognise
In nature and the language of the sense,
The anchor of my purest thoughts, the nurse,
The guide, the guardian of my heart, and soul 110
Of all my moral being.
 
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