You say this as if Spotify were asking for posters in the Apple Store or a banner ad on Apple.com.
Apple were telling Spotify that they couldn't even advertise their own promos in their own software.
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EU Fines Apple $2 Billion for Anti-Competitive Behavior Toward Spotify
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You say this as if Spotify were asking for posters in the Apple Store or a banner ad on Apple.com.
Apple were telling Spotify that they couldn't even advertise their own promos in their own software.
These analogies are getting progressively worse.
Why quote me? I didn’t write an analogy- I corrected the original posters false information.These analogies are getting progressively worse.
Because I thought your rebuttal of the analogy was bad.
Well not all reports are saying Apple have to pay while appealing...
And when you look at the words of the finding:
‘Higher prices’
“Apple's conduct, which lasted for almost ten years, may have led many iOS users to pay significantly higher prices for music-streaming subscriptions because of the high commission fee imposed by Apple on developers and passed on to consumers in the form of higher subscription prices for the same service on the Apple App Store,” the commission stated.It added that Apple's provisions led to “a degraded user experience”, as iOS users either had to engage in a cumbersome search before they found their way to relevant offers outside the app, or never subscribed to any service because they did not find the right one on their own."
Spotify app hasnt taken payments in app for ages so it can hardly be charging more.
As for "CUMBERSOME SEARCH" ... geez that makes EU app users look very simple. Cant find a website?
The number of users of Spotify would indicate that millions of users arent finding it too cumbersome...
Perhaps Spotify should look at the number of free accounts they have rather than paid ones. Turn them into paid consumers rather than ad supported and Spotify might make a real profit for once.
Spotify and all apps have a link in the app store tot he Developer website.
They could open the browser window and tell consumers about anything the like.
They dont mention prices when I click on the link.
They show me just my playlists because I have an account.
Why not tailor their webpage to a pricing and signup for non account users at that point?
The link has existed forever in the app store and would overcome the CUMBERSOME SEARCH that apparently EU app users have to endure
It’s already like that. I barely have ever paid for Apple Music with all the free trials they give out . Normally advertised from within either the os or one of apples apps. (Which they forbid others to do)Apple should make Apple Music free to all iOS users for a month and Spotify can see what real anti-competitive action would be like
They do hand out free trials excessivley. I probably had close to a year of free Apple Music and Apple TV 😂.
it's not nonchalant to pick a purchase path based on other factors. Like trust.
I have Android devices as well.
If I want to but an app I will go to a physical store and buy a gift card to pay for it.
I dont trust Google to keep my credit card safe or not use my personal information and sell it on.
It's well known Android app stores make considerably less money for app devs.
The apps are there, including alt app stores, and yet consumers still dont use it to the same degree...
No one wants Spotify to post billboards in the App Store, Spotify wants to post links within their own app to do so...Apple doesn't own the apps nor(apparently in the EU) does it have the right to prevent companies from linking to alternative payments from within their apps.
What use is a link to the website on the App Store after I open the App?Spotify and all apps have a link in the app store tot he Developer website.
They could open the browser window and tell consumers about anything the like.
They dont mention prices when I click on the link.
They show me just my playlists because I have an account.
Why not tailor their webpage to a pricing and signup for non account users at that point?
The link has existed forever in the app store and would overcome the CUMBERSOME SEARCH that apparently EU app users have to endure
Apple should make Apple Music free to all iOS users for a month and Spotify can see what real anti-competitive action would be like
People would still ask for a refund.
You’re being misleading here. Apps are not forbidden from advertising in their own app. They just have to use IAP like Apple Music app.
If you want to do business in the EU, you have to follow the EU's rules. Nothing more there is to say. If Apple doesn't like it, leave.
iPhones are not PC's. Everyone has known that for years.
Apps are developed and distributed with the knowledge that you make a sale on the platform, there's a fee to be paid.
If the terms were not enticing enough to the majority of developers no-one would have started developing for the platform and it would go the way of the windows phone.
No developer went into the arrangement blindfolded and the only ones really kicking up a fuss are the ones who sell the most IAP's or simply not abide by rules.
Only because Spotify did not want to pay any kind of commission for quick and easy sales via the platform they chose to develop for.
You don't walk into a store, browse around and then ask the clerk where you can buy the item somewhere else cheaper.
The "limits" you talk about being imposed on Spotify is due to them wanting to ride the Coat tails of Distribution system, while not paying any kind of finders fee when it becomes time for a potential customer to become a paying customer.
What do you mean "integrate" with the iPhone ? Siri Control ?
It's on Spotify's developers (who seem to be doing sitting on the asses the past number of years) that spotify doesn't work on the HomePod. The HomePod Siri API has been available for the best part of a year.
I don't believe the (failed) Spotify car thing was never going to work with another music service either. IMHO Apple is being generous in allowing the use by other streaming services.
They basically work the same, from a technological point of view, only in a smaller form factor.
No - there are tons of apps that make in-app sales without fees being paid to Apple.
I can book and pay for a thousand-dollar flight or holiday in apps, without Apple charging a fee.
Subscribing to Spotify in the Spotify app after I downloaded and installed it isn’t the equivalent of asking the store clerk.
The store’s sale ends with me walking home with item I purchased from it - or chose to give away for free to me.
The rest may be between me and the manufacturer (if we keep with the physical store analogy) and isn’t the store’s business.
When I download the app, I’ve found it.
Not when I make a subscription in it.
When I buy a printer from Walmart, Walmart deserves a fee - if they so chose to charge one.
They do not deserve a yearly fee for me merely owning that printer and having it sit around unused in my home.
And they do not deserve a fee based on how many toner cartridges I buy (or subscribe to) from HP afterwards.
👉 So much for the physical store analogies!
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Awe, poor Apple. Terrible luck for the 3 trillion dollar company.
Maybe not but you could walk into a store, browse around, pick up a product that has copy promoting an alternative and possibly cheaper way to buy that product through the company's website. HP, for example, promotes its Instant Ink subscription and website on packaging for its products found in retail stores.
Spotify and others are looking for a similar way to be able to promote alternative methods to get/subscribe to their product found in the App Store.
Hmmm not sure why but I don’t have any option to do so. I just checked and it is supposed to be there, I wonder if my account is bugged in some way.
Check the App Store page of the app. You can see all in-app purchase options. on the bottom Mine shows $6.99/mo after free trial.