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Yes, it might lead to some malware - but it won’t be Apple’s responsibility anymore. If anything, they can use it as an extra advantage in their marketing - “Apple iCloud+ with extra safe App Store”.

No one would ever blame Apple for what happens with their iPhone.
I love to see this.

We need to start reigning in these big tech companies a bit and forcing some interoperability and more consumer friendly behaviors on their part.
to the point where no app is allowed any unique or competitive features.
 
So… iOS is going to be forced to become android. Nothing bad could ever happen from this. No security loopholes, privacy compromises, backdoors, none of that! I just love that big brother EU is protecting the entire world from evil corporations not even based in the EU. Can’t wait to see what other money grabbing tactics they come up next to ensure my best interests!
 
What defines a “gatekeeper”… tech corporations can be competed with. I’m just so confused why this is happening.
 
"Give sellers access to their marketing or advertising performance data on the platform."

This right here tells you who really is behind this legislation. People don't want this, the data miners do. Apple has been doing a lot to keep tracking to a minimum, and it's cutting in to their bottom line.
 
I don't feel any of this is necessary. I do feel Apple should have a cap on their commission, but forcing them to have iMessage work with other apps is ridiculous. It's like telling Microsoft that Office HAS to work with Google Docs. Sideloading also, shouldn't be able to be forced. It's basically telling a store they must carry every product.
 
Seeing as how no one actually IN the European Union makes smartphones, Apple ought to tell the EU to get bent.
Yeah let's see how that goes...............
You're in their territory now, THEIR rules. Gonna take more than just Apple kicking up a stink to get their way.
 
If the only place you could install a ride was on land owned by disney, and the only way people could buy tickets to your ride is by paying disney, then yes I think they should too.
But you don't have to go to Disneyland, at least not in the US. You can visit Six Flags, Universal Studios, or several other different theme parks.

If you want multiple app stores and sideloading, Android is available. Indeed, that is what most EU customers choose.
 
So to install Microsoft apps, you first have to install the Microsoft app store.
To install Epic games, you have to first install the Epic app store.
To install Google apps, you first have to install the Google app store. This is what will happen. Every big software developer will have its own app store -- thereby circumventing any payment to Apple.

Or many apps will possibly have to be downloaded directly from the web -- and be paid for through various payment processors. So eventually Apple can only make money from hardware sales and from developers that remain on Apple app store, but the bigger app developers will surely leave the Apple app store. Apple will have to let users pay for system upgrades, like in the past, to cover developing costs -- right now the eco system pays for the system upgrades. Developers will have to pay more for Apple developer tools too.

Sure, it is not all bad because it gives consumers more choice. But the cost will be that the phone sphere will get more complex, no more easy install of apps, and the attack vector for malware will surely rise. In the end Apple should have been more proactive in lowering their commissions on iOS app store. They should have done that 10 years ago and then there would have been less problems. I love Apple to bits, but Apple has not been using their brains to foresee the future. Even Phil Schiller saw this coming and he suggested Apple should lower fees more than ten years ago (known from internal email exposed during Epic lawsuit).
This would still happen had Apple lowered the fees.

Europe isn't a place of innovation for tech. Ever since Nokia went kaput, they've been hemorrhaging money to the U.S., China, and the rest of the world. This is their desperate way of trying to recoup some of that lost silver from Big Tech. EU mandarins probably sense that the time is right—public opinion in the U.S. has turned against Big Tech and they're an easy target without politicians fighting for them on the negotiation table.

Equity and freedom of choice are just red herrings. My Android friends, especially those nearing retirement age, can't go through one full month without having strange apps being downloaded to their phones or getting infected by viruses, sometimes by anti-virus apps! Sideloading and allowing alternative app stores are a bad idea. It just is. They could've just demanded that Apple lower its fees, but they want blood, essentially.
 
"Users of small or big platforms would then be able to exchange messages, send files or make video calls across messaging apps, thus giving them more choice."

So this goes to show that no one at the EU legilastive committee have ANY idea how or even what End to End Encryption is.


EU: Make this work
All messenging Devs: You can't it's utterly insecure. How can we protect customer information if it goes outside our servers. That's what e2e Keys are. We cant share them across apps.
EU: I don't care. I am not a geek. Make it work. Stamps feet.

I absolutely luv how with a single thought you claim it "can't be done".
Why?
And why is your interpretation the correct one?

i\Instead we should look at this as a proposal, define the challenges, and see what some very intelligent folks come up with as solutions. This isn't a proposal against Apple. It is broad based and hits Google just as hard or harder.

Don't assume.
 
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The people begging for this are trash. And should not look at iPhones. BRB ruining iPhone for those who secretly want an adroit but wants iPhone status and not android peasantry.
 
I think the most fun solution to this problem is to force the EU to setup and run the call center for support. Let them assist all these crazy use cases they want to enable.

You’re going to have people who, without safeguards, get their phone in unusable states. This is grabbing every tech-vulernable population and throwing them in the deep end of the pool to make a few billionaires happy. I bet within 3 months of the EU themselves having to support this law, it would be stricken from the books and never spoken of again.
 
I don't see the problem with default apps, so long as the user has the option to delete them. Safari is preloaded on iPhone? Don't like it? No problem. Delete Safari if you'd rather use the DuckDuckGoose browser instead LOL. And if you like the BadgerBadgerMushroomMushroom browser instead, go for it.

Apple's Maps is preloaded? No problem. One click and you delete it in favor of Google Maps.

Tried it lately? You can redefine the default for Browser (select another webkit one) and Mail.
That's it.
 
This is a comedy answer. RCS is a crapfest. No native E2E to the point Amnesty International had a go at it publicly. Google had to run a carrier independent RCS network to support it which uses Signal's protocol which is back to ground zero: siloed messaging networks.

ZERO PROBLEMS SOLVED. Again.

That there is the problem.

It very well may be a "crapfest" however it is an option. There are likely hundreds of other options. Let them be developed and then we as customers get to decide which one(s) we want to use.
 
No one would ever blame Apple for what happens with their iPhone.

to the point where no app is allowed any unique or competitive features.
It’s not a matter of blame but if the product is degraded by some government agency then they won’t buy the product. Politicians don’t understand tech.

I could probably find a dozen videos like this but this sums it up. It’s like having your grandma make decisions for an IT company
 
In principle, I support governance that restricts the power of big business. But who is going to restrict the power of the EU? This just sounds way too heavy handed to me. Frightening actually.

But can I still say yes please to ‘iMessage interoperability’? ? Would be nice to see the big players work together on this.
I agree. Apple is a business and will make money hand over fist with or without managing and investing in their App Store that has paid out billion every year for developers. They could create a separate App Store that does not get access to premium features and APIs. It would require interested developers to do the heavy lifting and earn their money.

Apple could invite select developers to partner with them on thousand of app projects that create a better experience than what’s currently available and also the independent version. The new platform would be a all you can eat subscription for apps and would be a separate developer agreement. This would essentially kick the greedy developers that are attempting to take over of undo Apple’s Success out of their App Store market.
 
Take a step back and think about this.

1. This is a proposal.
2. This isn't about just Apple. This actually hits Google harder IMO.

I agree on both counts. The collateral damage will occur in unexpected ways, beyond Apple/Google/Facebook et.al.
 
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But you don't have to go to Disneyland, at least not in the US. You can visit Six Flags, Universal Studios, or several other different theme parks.

If you want multiple app stores and sideloading, Android is available. Indeed, that is what most EU customers choose.
Exactly, lots of theme parks. Only two mobile OS's. You're so close to getting it.
 
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