EU Reportedly Planning to Charge Apple for Violating Digital Markets Act

[I7guy]

Great example!
Particularly since OJ wasn’t found innocent - he was found liable for the murders.

And also: Failing to prove beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law that someone’s guilty does not mean that someone’s innocent. Same is true for the Epic trial: Epic failing to prove it on more counts does not mean that Apple is innocent of behaving anticompetitiv.

It is a great example. A civil action is not the same as a criminal action. He still walked. Bringing this back to apple, they haven’t been found for any infringement for an App Store monopoly anywhere. Apple had the OJ equivalent of some regulations prohibiting certain vertical integration.

Either Apple is acting anticompetitive or not.

The fluidity of the term “anti-competitive” is amazing. Just like in court one can be found guilty for x of y counts, this is the same and a minor point at that. The app store “monopoly” was not found.

If they legitimately aren’t acting anticompetitive, they wouldn’t be challenged (by so many competitors, regulators and lawmakers in jurisdictions around the world).

Finding? Challenging is not the same as a guilty verdict, except in the EU.

We both agree. 👍


I fail to see any “conclusion” - you didn’t provide any reasoning to arrive at that.

Not surprised at the above statement even after points were stated.

I mean… since the law neither explicitly mentions “American” companies, nor are the gatekeepers all American, your mere opinion isn’t “proof”.

If the shoe fits…yes the eu must have had their best and brightest working on the verbiage.

It proves your previous claim wrong that Apple never acted anticompetitively.

Nope.

And of course does that have to do with the App Store - given that the anti-steering clause is part of their conditions for access to the App Store.

Nope again. Hang your hat on that one point. That’s all you got. 1 out of 9 with this being the most minor. Most Fortune 500 have some judgments against them at some point, this is a normal course of business and a grain of sand in the wind.

 

[JimmyHook]

Nah. We can perceive the difference.

And totally irrelevant when addressing a complaint about what behavior should be legal.

This is a terrible argument and is only hsed when someone has no better argument. If someone believes that some practice should not be illegal, it doesn't satisfy their goal to just avoid the people who engage in that practice.

Right. Instead, we support these laws because we think they are good.

Ok. Y’all can do what you want. But guess what? You will always be late getting Apple’s latest tech, if you ever get it. You’re never going to see Apple’s AI system, and you’ll never get other interesting features as they roll out. Just remember, y’all asked for this.

 

[AppliedMicro]

But guess what? You will always be late getting Apple’s latest tech, if you ever get it. You’re never going to see Apple’s AI system, and you’ll never get other interesting features as they roll out.

So?

It‘s not as if Apple is a leading company in the AI sector. If Apple don‘t provide (AI or other) features important to consumers, someone else will. Samsung is certainly advertising it a lot. And I wouldn’t count out Microsoft either, given how they don‘t have a relevant smartphone OS or platform.

The DMA in fact encourages and enables competitors to bring their product to iOS - due to the acts fair access and interoperability requirements.

 

[chmania]

Ok. Y’all can do what you want. But guess what? You will always be late getting Apple’s latest tech, if you ever get it. You’re never going to see Apple’s AI system, and you’ll never get other interesting features as they roll out. Just remember, y’all asked for this.

Well, have you checked HyperOS? Been playing with wife's Poco X6 Pro, with has that much acclaimed AI. HyperOS has more options and gestures than iOS, having an iPhone myself, I can tell. Xiaomi had sold more devices than Apple this August. Both iPhones and Xiaomi phones are made in China, while Xiaomi is based in China itself, so has quicker access to new technologies, China being the top technological country in the world today.

 

[I7guy]

Well, have you checked HyperOS? Been playing with wife's Poco X6 Pro, with has that much acclaimed AI. HyperOS has more options and gestures than iOS, having an iPhone myself, I can tell. Xiaomi had sold more devices than Apple this August. Both iPhones and Xiaomi phones are made in China, while Xiaomi is based in China itself, so has quicker access to new technologies, China being the top technological country in the world today.

The iPhone has a 27% market share in the EU. So that xiaomi some more devices is not surprising. That’s what y’all maybe using in the future if this keeps up.

 

[chmania]

The iPhone has a 27% market share in the EU. So that xiaomi some more devices is not surprising. That’s what y’all maybe using in the future if this keeps up.

Do you think anyone would care about the future of one company/product, when there are so much to choose from? Anyway, everything is created and made in China. 👍

 

[I7guy]

Do you think anyone would care about the future of one company/product, when there are so much to choose from? Anyway, everything is created and made in China. 👍

Yes I do. Much more than any other brand.

 

[chmania]

Yes I do. Much more than any other brand.

Good for you. I like to have choice, and be free!

 

[I7guy]

Good for you. I like to have choice, and be free!

You can have all the choice you want. Be free. Choice is good.

 

[chmania]

You can have all the choice you want. Be free. Choice is good.

That's the spirit! 👍

 

[I7guy]

That's the spirit! 👍

Ya vote with your $$$. Down with the DMA.

 

[chmania]

Ya vote with your $$$.

That's not our currency! 😏

 

[avz]

That's not our currency! 😏

"And the honeymoon ends."

 

[Fred Zed]

EU is fast becoming the DoJ fining corporations to fund their own agendas. Aka cash cow.

 

[AppliedMicro]

EU is fast becoming the DoJ fining corporations to fund their own agendas

Apple is being given ample opportunity to comply - and avoid a fine.

 

[Fred Zed]

Apple is being given ample opportunity to comply - and avoid a fine.

That’s true.

 

[mikelets456]

Apple is being given ample opportunity to comply - and avoid a fine.

And guess who will end up paying for that fine? We will---prices will go up to offset the cost, then you'll complain they're "evil rich people" always raising their prices....government is far more greedy than Apple---I hate corporations, don't get me wrong, but the consumer ALWAYS gets screwed in these scenarios and government always gets their greedy paws greased.

 

[macfacts]

And guess who will end up paying for that fine? We will---prices will go up to offset the cost, then you'll complain they're "evil rich people" always raising their prices....government is far more greedy than Apple---I hate corporations, don't get me wrong, but the consumer ALWAYS gets screwed in these scenarios and government always gets their greedy paws greased.

If apple increases prices and you continue to buy, you're an accessory to the crime and encouraging that behavior. No one is forcing you to buy.

 

[mrochester]

If apple increases prices and you continue to buy, you're an accessory to the crime and encouraging that behavior. No one is forcing you to buy.

Buy what instead? The competition isn’t to be found.

 

[I7guy]

If apple increases prices and you continue to buy, you're an accessory to the crime and encouraging that behavior. No one is forcing you to buy.

What kind of nonsense is this? There is no crime. Apple is a lawful corporation. Unlike Enron for example.

 

[mikelets456]

If apple increases prices and you continue to buy, you're an accessory to the crime and encouraging that behavior. No one is forcing you to buy.

But these stupid fines are causing the prices to go up---that's not my fault---in this case it's not Apple's fault---it's more government overreach. Are you making a case for government causing prices to rise to feed its ego? The bottom line is "we the consumer" will pay for this one way or another---and I'm not going to Android. I have a lot invested in Apple--
Phones, tablets, Apple Tvs, Homepods, Apple music, Macbook pro, etc. If you don't believe the costs will be passed on to us, you're being naïve....or dishonest.

 

[mikelets456]

What kind of nonsense is this? There is no crime. Apple is a lawful corporation. Unlike Enron for example.

Find me the man and I'll show you the crime---it's all corruption. They see a company making money and now government wants a piece of it....most laws are fabricated to simply gain power and control.

 

[chmania]

But these stupid fines are causing the prices to go up---that's not my fault---in this case it's not Apple's fault---it's more government overreach. Are you making a case for government causing prices to rise to feed its ego?

What you can do in your backyard, you just can't do in someone else's backyard, so the fines...😏

 

[chmania]

They see a company making money and now government wants a piece of it....

The EU does not have a government...😏

 

[mikelets456]

What kind of nonsense is this? There is no crime. Apple is a lawful corporation. Unlike Enron for example.

Find me the man and I'll show you the crime---it's all corruption. They see a company making money and now government wants a piece of it....most laws are fabricated to simply gain power and control.