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EU Reportedly Planning to Charge Apple for Violating Digital Markets Act

atomic.flip said:
You mean like the ones the Bush, Obama and Trump administrations tried to force on Apple the past 20 years???? LOL

I’m American but honestly I’m dumbfounded by the attitudes so many of my compatriots take on stuff like this.

As if the US is insulated from any regulatory stuff.
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The US has never passed a law demanding that Apple build a backdoor into encryption. Those administrations have certainly asked Apple to do things, but never been able to force them.

I am all for smart regulation. In fact, I think the US could use more regulation. I work in the government space, for regulators. BUT, I personally think this EU regulation is terriblely written, probably intentionally aimed to hurt US tech companies at the expense of (or most charitably, not thinking about the impacts) European users. See all the Europeans complaining about how Google has gotten worse not realizing its because their government made Google do it.

I know others disagree. And my opinion doesn't matter one iota anyway.
 
ItsASpider said:
No. They just cannot hinder other developers from using their platform. That's the point. You don't see Microsoft or Google pull this kind of nonsense. And even disregarding that; let's not pretend that even that isn't an investment for Apple's own benefit too.
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So you're saying yes. Apple has to spend their engineering resources to provide developers ways to use their intellectual property for free. Because asking them to pay is hindering.
 
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AlexJaye said:
The EU is also “charging” European nations for not allowing massive influxes of people across the globe who hate Europe & Western civilization.

EU needs to be disbanded.
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Both India and Brazil force Apple to make devices in the country if they want to sell there is Ok. Apple bends over backward to obey China laws and doesn’t play games like with the EU.
 
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jumpcutking said:
If a lot more large companies left stifling markets, those politicians would loose revenue and would have to reassess their positions. If the company can take the hit - I don’t know many that could.
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Again you have 0 clue what you are talking about. You are mad because markets actually look out for their people unlike the US who lets companies s**t all over the consumer.
 
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surferfb said:
So you're saying yes. Apple has to spend their engineering resources to provide developers ways to use their intellectual property for free. Because asking them to pay is hindering.
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As I have repeatedly pointed out, Apple already provides access to their IP for free to the vast vast majority of developers. The CTF is unfair precisely because it is an IP fee that has the effect of steering developers away from the new DMA compliant terms and conditions. The CTF could be more fair than the current IP licensing structure (in the sense that it is applied more evenly) but because the old IP structure still exists as an option (in which many of the highest revenue devs pay $0 for the IP) the CTF cannot be viewed as a fair and evenhanded approach.

If Apple wants to charge for their IP they need to do so evenly and without prejudice, they can't choose not to charge for IP access for identical apps that stick with the old terms vs the new terms.
 
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Premium1 said:
Again you have 0 clue what you are talking about. You are mad because markets actually look out for their people unlike the US who lets companies s**t all over the consumer.
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I’m sorry, that’s an untrue statement. I’m actually using this forum - if you follow to ask questions and learn as a forum is a collaborative experience.
 
I’m not a fan of corporate fleecing of their customers, but I’m even less a fan of government overregulation and oversight. What was Apple supposed to do, ask the EU what Apple should charge for an acceptable core technology fee?? If they asked the EU, they would always say that it’s too much. Apple was smart not to ask the court to define this, and the courts were foolish not to.
 
EU acting like Apple, and other corporations, are their endless wallet they can just "sue" anytime they're feeling short on other peoples money. I'm happy to see more and more European countries waking up to the idea of going back on their own and leaving the union.
 
ifxf said:
Both India and Brazil force Apple to make devices in the country if they want to sell there is Ok. Apple bends over backward to obey China laws and doesn’t play games like with the EU.
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EU basically realized too late they were getting steamrolled by U.S. tech giants. DMA is already too little too late. China realized this outcome early on and prevented this from happening with legislation. Today, China has everything from Baidu, ByteDance, DJI, to Huawei and SMIC. EU ended up with zero tech presence in hardware and software or AI. Yet, they have nearly 500 million customers acting as cash cows.
 
jumpcutking said:
I’m sorry, that’s an untrue statement. I’m actually using this forum - if you follow to ask questions and learn as a forum is a collaborative experience.
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It's not wrong though. Y'all are eating and drinking stuff that's banned here. And then wonder why so many Americans are obese and diabetic. Your cars are poor made and a security hazard, and so on. I like you Americans but you need to start using your brain and not trust companies on everything. They want your money and not your well-being. And so does Apple.
 
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hesoba said:
It's not wrong though. Y'all are eating and drinking stuff that's banned here. And then wonder why so many Americans are obese and diabetic. Your cars are poor made and a security hazard, and so on. I like you Americans but you need to start using your brain and not trust companies on everything.
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lol. I’m actually a well informed vegetarian… but I see your point. I’m also in business myself, so I see both points. Legislatively like this kind of scares me personally for innovation purposes - kind of feels like through the baby out with the bath water. In Apple’s case they have healthy competition - so I don’t see any anticompetitive behavior however I do see anti-steering and other things that do affect a customers well being.
 
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jumpcutking said:
It sounds terrible, but what would happen if Apple left the EU market? A solid billion is a lot to be fined for non-compliance. I respect the spirit of EU regulations to open up closed systems, to promote standards, and to protect user privacy. I wonder if the EU is too ambitious; their regulations are sometimes challenging to comply with. I’m referring to GDPR… this I’m unsure of. I hear many battles with the EU and anti-competitive practices, but at some point, switching to leave a market will become a viable option.
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to me theyre not managing it properly, if a system like Apple, who has been notoriously wall garden wants to do that, that should be OK....the EU can say we'd at least prefer you to meet certain criteria; limit user data exposure, security within that ecosystem, etc. not hey you have to punch holes into your system to allow other people to take advantage of it. it seems like theyre messing up a good opportunity to let things be while maintaining the original intent of user advocacy but not everything needs to be advocated like that. I mean are they going to do something similar for banks, card issuers, and card networks? like whats the point of having services that are unique and better or innovative if everyone ***** in the same pool?
 
JPack said:
EU basically realized too late they were getting steamrolled by U.S. tech giants. DMA is already too little too late. China realized this outcome early on and prevented this from happening with legislation. Today, China has everything from Baidu, ByteDance, DJI, to Huawei and SMIC. EU ended up with zero tech presence in hardware and software or AI. Yet, they have nearly 500 million customers acting as cash cows.
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That’s true, I haven’t seen many EU tech companies. Although I think I use a few apps from EU app makers. Do you think this legislation will open up competition in EU? Or at least open the EU market?
 
Dulcimer said:
Apple should just pay them out of pity. Europe has absolutely zero technical or business leadership in the world due their overly regulated markets. It’s rare to see successful startups there.
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As you point out, that’s because EU laws and regulations stifle innovation and risk taking. It’s clear EU regulators don’t believe in markets. They want guaranteed outcomes. If developers don’t want to pay core technology fees, they can go somewhere else. Specialize in Android and Windows.

Honestly, Apple blew their chance to nip this kind of thing in the bud last year. When the Netherlands came down on them, they should have pulled out of that single country. That would have gotten everyone’s attention. But Apple no longer will take risks itself and so will never call the EU’s bluff.
 
JPack said:
forums.macrumors.com

EU Reportedly Planning to Charge Apple for Violating Digital Markets Act

Yes, it was codified very clearly in the text of the DMA. Apple just chose to pull a Hail Mary.
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Thanks. But you think this clearly indicates that the CTF should not be levied?
  • 'disproportionate', 'similar', 'business user'? Is the 'business user' a developer, or a regular Joe Shmoe user like me?
  • "...prices charged or conditions imposed for the same or similar services" Who defines similar services? At a high level, Android might be considered a similar service, but the deeper you dig, the differences become more apparent. How different do they have to be to no longer be 'similar'?
  • "Prices charged or conditions imposed by the provider...for the same service the gatekeeper provides to itself." Great. So Apple charges itself the CTF per device in Europe.
 
delsoul said:
EU acting like Apple, and other corporations, are their endless wallet they can just "sue" anytime they're feeling short on other peoples money. I'm happy to see more and more European countries waking up to the idea of going back on their own and leaving the union.
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Or you know, Apple could follow the law and not have to pay any of this. It is funny, when apple does something that makes them $$ and shuts out others its not an issue, but once someone levels the playing field the apple loyalists come running and blame everyone else. Don't act like apple hasn't been bending over backwards to governments for years now, this is nothing new. This time though they tried to pull a quick one and the EU said nope.
 
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ThirteenXIII said:
to me theyre not managing it properly, if a system like Apple, who has been notoriously wall garden wants to do that, that should be OK....the EU can say we'd at least prefer you to meet certain criteria; limit user data exposure, security within that ecosystem, etc. not hey you have to punch holes into your system to allow other people to take advantage of it. it seems like theyre messing up a good opportunity to let things be while maintaining the original intent of user advocacy but not everything needs to be advocated like that. I mean are they going to do something similar for banks, card issuers, and card networks? like whats the point of having services that are unique and better or innovative if everyone ***** in the same pool?
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However, I do agree that standards should be adopted. Standards help make the playing field knowable and makes it easier for competition to connect with others. The USBC thing was awesome but it shouldn’t have to come to regulators. The AppStore thing… I’m still undecided where I stand on it. But I am rethinking my views on double dipping on charges to consumers.
 
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