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How in the hell did we get here? Countries deciding how businesses can operate...Sad state.

The favorite company grew into richest company in the world... but did not evolve its business practices to avoid GOVs needing to get involved. History shows how this goes and it goes the SAME way EVERY time.

In Capitalism, the great core love of the system is robust competition. Robust competition spurs sellers to innovate to try to woo share from other competitors... and it pressures prices down for the same goods as competitors try to woo share there too. There's wins for both sellers & buyers when it is able to function correctly.

When the competition thins out and someone is basically roaring into a dominant hold on some part of some market, either that company proactively evolves their business practices towards raising all boats or GOV will come. GOV is the "last resort" play... and this is the last resort play in these countries where these laws are put into play.

Some of "us" will HATE this, rip it to shreds, etc... but it's mostly Apple's own doing. History tells the very same story many times. Pretty much every company in history makes the same (decision) mistake when they ascend into or near the top of this mountain. And then GOV finally drops a generally laissez faire approach to that company in an attempt- or sometimes several/many- to reel them in and re-establish some tangible competition for consumers.

Some freak because Apple is in the cross hairs but I bet they would argue very differently when it is Googles turn, or Microsofts or <other>. I too wish that it did not come to this... I wish GOV was not involved... but that required Apple to recognize they were ascending to the "richest" throne and needed to evolve business practices upwards of a couple of years ago. Now they pay the price where GOVs- instead of Apple- get to decide how that evolution will go.

GOV is the only entity with the resources and endless well of legal power to overpower the deep, deep, DEEP well of Apple's power. GOV could fight this for a thousand years but no corp could stall the inevitable for that long.

Best play is not just comply with the letter of the law (even if technically that is what is required) but comply with the spirit of the law... in very tangible ways... which may have some short-term revenue pain but will likely grow goodwill as the core to the "benevolent king" shift involves raising all boats. In complying with the spirit of the law, they may take the cross hairs off themselves and entities like the EU may shift to others who need the same "spanking"... and other countries who will inevitably follow with similar laws if Apple doesn't evolve... may opt to leave Apple alone and focus on others rapidly ascending to the top of their hills.

Else, keep fighting/testing the law/finagling around the edges/flirting in gray area interpretations... and GOVs will keep responding/amending/fining/amending/fining again/amending/etc until the Corp finally gives in and complies. Get it done ASAP and move on or fight a battle that will almost certainly be lost... as have all before Apple who tried to cling to practices at the root of why the GOV opted to take action.
 
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Didn't I call this? Didn't I say this was going to happen? This was never about consumer rights, or protection. It's corruption. Pockets are being lined. The game is rigged. And until Cook decides to pull an Elon or a Jobs and tells them to go stuff themselves, it's not going to stop. They will keep finding new ways to come after them. One annoying and pointless thing after another.
 
Lemme get this straight. The EU wants Apple to pay for their engineers to develop the OS and APIs, but then let developers use it all for free? They really want a major company to subsidize EU developers, so they can make money, but not recoup any of their expenses? Bwahahahaha. If the EU proceeds, I hope Apple pulls out of the EU entirely. Let’s see how they feel when stores close all over Europe, and billions in tax revenue disappear.
 
What would happen is Apple would never even consider such a dumb thing....
Nope. Because Apple has the leverage, not the EU. People want iPhones and Apple devices, and if the "leaders" forced Apple to leave, they (EU) would cave in less than a week once the population turned on them.

But Cook has shown zero guts, so this is what we get.
 
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Want an Apple product in the future 3rd party resellers will feed your needs!!$$$$$ Hey EU keep shaking the hornets nest!!!
Whether iPhones are distributed by Apple or third-party resellers does not change the fact that iOS and the App Store are offered and operated as core platform services in the EU - and thus subject to the DMA.

I think Apple was waiting for this so they could appeal it in a higher court and maybe get parts of DMA removed.
DMA is the law. Courts don’t “remove” the law.
They decide according to it, sometimes having to interpret it.
It’s not as if Apple were a human being whose human rights were violated..
 
Lemme get this straight. The EU wants Apple to pay for their engineers to develop the OS and APIs, but then let developers use it all for free? They really want a major company to subsidize EU developers, so they can make money, but not recoup any of their expenses? Bwahahahaha. If the EU proceeds, I hope Apple pulls out of the EU entirely. Let’s see how they feel when stores close all over Europe, and billions in tax revenue disappear.

Apple charges a $99 or $299 fee for developing consumer or enterprise software for their platforms. This is in addition to the cost of Apple hardware, which is required as well.

If the issue was about cost of development of the platform, as you say, then they should increase their price.
 
Lemme get this straight. The EU wants Apple to pay for their engineers to develop the OS and APIs, but then let developers use it all for free? They really want a major company to subsidize EU developers, so they can make money, but not recoup any of their expenses? Bwahahahaha. If the EU proceeds, I hope Apple pulls out of the EU entirely. Let’s see how they feel when stores close all over Europe, and billions in tax revenue disappear.
This has already been addressed. The issue isn't that they are trying to charge for their IP but the fact that they are using charging for their IP as a pretence to help maintain their App Store monopoly.
 
Lemme get this straight. The EU wants Apple to pay for their engineers to develop the OS and APIs, but then let developers use it all for free? They really want a major company to subsidize EU developers, so they can make money, but not recoup any of their expenses? Bwahahahaha. If the EU proceeds, I hope Apple pulls out of the EU entirely. Let’s see how they feel when stores close all over Europe, and billions in tax revenue disappear.

Because it's never been done that way? ...Windows, MacOS, Linux, Android... It would be interesting to see what happens if Apple pulls out as many have been calling for. Personally I think Android would then dominate the market, if not them then someone else. No one would miss Apple in a few years. That's why Apple is so afraid of China, they know if they pull out there is already a line of companies who would gladly take over. Some think Apple is indispensable to the world, but really they are just another hardware and OS company which would easily be replaced.
 
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The EU Commission designed these laws following extensive, multi-year lobbying by Microsoft and other competitors of Apple. Recognizing the potential financial benefits, the Commission viewed the legislation and its unprecedented fine structure as a means to enhance EU budgets. They anticipated that the overreach and complexity of the new laws would inevitably lead to companies, in some way, violating the spirit of the regulations.
 
So why would revenue outside of the EU jurisdiction be subject? Shouldn’t it just be the revenue in the EU where this law applies that they should be fined?
No, their global revenue is the sealing to prevent excessive fines. Perhaps eu want to fine them 30% as it’s the tally. But this revenue stopgap prevents that
 
This has already been addressed. The issue isn't that they are trying to charge for their IP but the fact that they are using charging for their IP as a pretence to help maintain their App Store monopoly
and leverage it to get an (anti)competitive advantage over services that they’re competing with.

E.g. Spotify, Netflix, Kindle and competing Fitness and gaming services.
 
Didn't I call this? Didn't I say this was going to happen? This was never about consumer rights, or protection. It's corruption. Pockets are being lined. The game is rigged. And until Cook decides to pull an Elon or a Jobs and tells them to go stuff themselves, it's not going to stop. They will keep finding new ways to come after them. One annoying and pointless thing after another.
EU has become (always was) a corrupt entity suing companies & states left & right. Last Hungary. Theyre working overtime now pocketing the ”politicians” ”running” it. Its VERY easy seeing the pattern & super easy seeing the end game of it all. Well except for the completely brain washed majority NPCing about consumer rights The have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE how/why EU is operating, conveniently missing (= ignorant) 100s of crazy fines & regulations theyre implementing. Accelerating fast now!
 
Apple will raise the price of the iPhones.
I remember reading one EU mac rumors member saying they could buy cheaper apple products by buying a plane ticket to us and buying that way, so apple has already raised prices in other countries.
 
Finally, EU is working!
What is the kind of ** this "Core Technology Fee" is? Seems like simple greed to me.
If AppStore apps are THAT good, I think they will endure slight competition.
A lot of open source developers will benefit from that without needing to pay 100$ a year just for their app to be placed on the AppStore. That's btw how I have been using apps on Mac for years - a lot of them are the open source free ones.

Somehow Apple doesn't see how some developers (Halide, I am looking at you) are circumenting the long-established informal AppStore rule of never asking a fee again from their OG investors. They could have made "Halide 2" instead of locking me from free updates because they introduced subscription tier (lol I bought the app, doesn't seem too fair).
 
They anticipated that the overreach and complexity of the new laws would inevitably lead to companies, in some way, violating the spirit of the regulations
Apple is in violation for their unwillingness and refusal to comply.

There’s nothing complex or difficult about complying with the rules on software distribution. Apple in fact does it themselves with their macOS platform service.

And the EU doesn’t fine companies out of the blue. They (are required by the DMA to) engage in constructive discussion and investigations before issuing fines
 
Apple is in violation for their unwillingness and refusal to comply.

There’s nothing complex or difficult about complying with the rules on software distribution. Apple in fact does it themselves with their macOS platform service.

And the EU doesn’t fine companies out of the blue. They (are required by the DMA to) engage in constructive discussion and investigations before issuing fines
Refusal to comply. Lol. You mean refuse to let developers use their engineering resources for free. Apple spends billions on R&D, and pays their engineers to develop APIs for developers. Sorry, no free rides. If I develop a product and an ecosystem, it’s irrational to say that I can’t charge for its use. It’s one thing if users had no other choice, but they do. It’s called Android and it’s a majority in the EU market. This is purely about the EU losing their tech dominance after Nokia.
 
However, I do agree that standards should be adopted. Standards help make the playing field knowable and makes it easier for competition to connect with others. The USBC thing was awesome but it shouldn’t have to come to regulators. The AppStore thing… I’m still undecided where I stand on it. But I am rethinking my views on double dipping on charges to consumers.

Yes, USB-C and standardized wireless charging those are helpful. The AppStore stuff is tricky, because you can't buy a PS5 game and play it on XBOX or PC as far as I'm aware. Same with buy records, you can't buy something on Amazon and it show in your Apple Music...and vice versa, so you'd have to buy it on both platforms. I think some sort of universal app purchase thing would be interesting...basically if you buy in Apple's App Store, you can use that to get it on another platform if needed. because you can't even transfer your purchases from one account to another on Apple and most others. so its no very thorough at this point. perhaps they take the concept of this open appstore concept to have a more universal thing and each platform Apple App Store (iOS, Mac, etc) have the ability to approve or deny it from their platform based on their parameters and a user can purchase it from whatever App Store they want and are able to access it on whatever device without having to open up all these security and backdoors. idk, I dont have a streamlined thought on it but the basics is I dont want anyplace to be able to just place apps on my devices. I would like Mac to further adopt this and enforce vendors to port to Mac App Store
 
I remember reading one EU mac rumors member saying they could buy cheaper apple products by buying a plane ticket to us and buying that way, so apple has already raised prices in other countries
You can’t.

Unless you’re buying them (legally) from a VAT-free locale and (illegally) import them without paying import tax in the EU.

Apple’s net prices are only about 10% lower in the U.S. than in the EU - and that difference won’t buy you that plane ticket.

At least not for products that ship with iOS (CPS covered by the DMA).
 
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So XCode is going to be $10,000 a seat in the EU. Neat.

Apple has to monetize their investment in development tools somehow. They aren't a charity. One way or another they will (and should) get paid.
 
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You mean refuse to let developers use their engineering resources for free.
No, quite the contrary!

Their allowing developers to publish apps for free was instrumental in shutting out the competition and capturing virtually all of the mobile OS/app market in a duopoly with Google’s Android.
Apple spends billions on R&D, and pays their engineers to develop APIs for developers. Sorry, no free rides.
Uber, Booking, Expedia, AliExpress and Temu and thousands of banking or ticketing apps are evidence to the contrary.

They get free rides.
 
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