Everything about new Apple's Intelligence

[bmac4]

Without a doubt. It will be a pain point because as an all Apple household it will add some confusion... My wife and I have iPhones that will have AI, my kids will not. My wife's iPad won't have AI but the kids and mine will. The Macs will all have AI. The HomePods and Apple Watches won't (unless that's a feature for the new Series 10 and Ultra 3 this fall?). Siri will be really smart some places, and dumb as a rock elsewhere. I know in a few years the AI will be much more capable still... and useable EVERYWHERE as we upgrade to newer Apple devices, but these first few years will be a bit all over the place.

This 100%. My M3 max MacBook Pro will get advanced Siri, but my 2020 iPad Pro won’t and my iPhone 14pm that was supposedly so advanced by Apples standards won’t either. My wife’s 15pm will get the good Siri. This is an absolute mess. It won’t be a consistent experience across devices which seems like a huge mistake and a huge unapple thing to do.

I know that they had to put their foot into AI, but this is a mess. Wanting on device AI is all well and good, but now you have created a huge mess. Most people won’t have all 3 devices that get the “good” Siri, and as of now no watches get it. Very disappointed with this. First time I have seen an iOS release with the most current only select few devices getting it.

 

[theshoehorn]

This 100%. My M3 max MacBook Pro will get advanced Siri, but my 2020 iPad Pro won’t and my iPhone 14pm that was supposedly so advanced by Apples standards won’t either. My wife’s 15pm will get the good Siri. This is an absolute mess. It won’t be a consistent experience across devices which seems like a huge mistake and a huge unapple thing to do.

I know that they had to put their foot into AI, but this is a mess. Wanting on device AI is all well and good, but now you have created a huge mess. Most people won’t have all 3 devices that get the “good” Siri, and as of now no watches get it. Very disappointed with this. First time I have seen an iOS release with the most current only select few devices getting it.

Agree completely here! Especially on the PM part. You can’t tell me that my a16 can’t touch on device ai when it was so insanely over spec’s already lol. Maybe there will be a “stage manager” moment where the backlash causes them to allow older devices when they “find out they work just fine”

 

[2761216]

Agree completely here! Especially on the PM part. You can’t tell me that my a16 can’t touch on device ai when it was so insanely over spec’s already lol. Maybe there will be a “stage manager” moment where the backlash causes them to allow older devices when they “find out they work just fine”

I don’t know what you’re doing but it’s funny and freaky at the same time.

 

[bk125]

I found the presentation weirdly depressing, as if their goal was to make it so you no longer had to write your emails or read your emails.

 

[one more]

I'm wondering which GPT model (3.5, 4-turbo, 4o) we'll be gettin' for free in iOS18.

Is not their 3.5 model replaced by 4o by now for all?

 

[one more]

I wonder if the older iOS18 compatible devices would be able to just use ChatGPT, without the Apple AI... Could be a way for everyone to be able to use an AI service on their devices...

Why not, since we can use ChatGPT app right now with iOS17. However, it will not be as integrated as AI.

My guess is that Apple will be fine-tuning their AI over the next few years (think Apple Maps initial rollout) and would expect people who are really keen on AI to upgrade their hardware sooner than later. Personally, I am not planning on upgrading my iPhone 15 until iPhone 17 at the earliest.

 

[CrysisDeu]

Actually watching the developer sessions, I am a bit skeptical about Apple Intelligence (iOS18). The demo seemed cool but the actual implementation of Apple Intelligence really.. is nothing new from the existing model they have. App develops need to provide app intents (rarely provided by so many apps) for it to work. So it cannot do things outside of what's coded or learn on itself. And there isn't pure API based plug-ins like chatGPT which you can quickly choose to integrate with, you NEED to download apps for it to work. This doesn't feel AI to me. Still very much limited like the old Siri. And they only have intent for TWO categories at launch sometime later, and only ~10 categories before iOS19.

And the fact that beta 1 doesn't have anything Apple Intelligence related...

 

[Ansath]

Agree completely here! Especially on the PM part. You can’t tell me that my a16 can’t touch on device ai when it was so insanely over spec’s already lol. Maybe there will be a “stage manager” moment where the backlash causes them to allow older devices when they “find out they work just fine”

You're basing solely on processor, but that's not how it works, there's other hardware to consider.

Those devices have 6GB RAM, the minimum RAM needed for on device LLM, which is something that is said within the market, is 8GB RAM.

If those devices had had 8GB RAM, you'd have seen it.

 

[bmac4]

You're basing solely on processor, but that's not how it works, there's other hardware to consider.

Those devices have 6GB RAM, the minimum RAM needed for on device LLM, which is something that is said within the market, is 8GB RAM.

If those devices had had 8GB RAM, you'd have seen it.

So if it’s required to have 8gb of ram, the iPhone 15pros are maxed out. That would eat up all the ram in the phone. So I really can’t believe 8gb of ram is required. The iPad and MacBooks would be the only devices that could handle AI if that was the case.

 

[shenfrey]

It really isn't clear at the moment who gets it and who doesn't, all we have so far is that it's launch in US English and in other languages later on.

So does that mean everyone who switches their phone langue to US English gets it, is it only US users who get it, only English speaking countries who gain access to it?

Need a little more info on this

 

[TimFL1]

It looks amazing but I'm disappointed it only works on iPhone 15 Pro and newer or M1 or newer Macs and iPads (less so by the M1 requirement since that has been out sometime.) No big deal for my wife and I as we have 15 Pros, and I have a M4 iPad Pro (and likely will upgrade my wife's 2020 A14Z iPad Pro at some near point) but it kinda stinks my kids who have a iPhone 14 Pro and a brand new 2 month old iPhone 15 are locked out (and they won't upgrade for some time.) Their Macs and iPads are M2 devices so at least they will have it there but the experience won't be consistent. I know, I know, this is incredibly a 1st world problem but this is the first time I've ever seen Apple completely lock out a current device released in less than the last 12 months (iPhone 15) from a major showcase feature that permeates the very next iOS revision.

The original Siri was iPhone 4S exclusive, this is no precedent.

 

[bmac4]

The original Siri was iPhone 4S exclusive, this is no precedent.

On a new released 4S, that wasnt a mid year iOS update that gave Siri to the 4S. If this had been released on the 16 pros only, that would have been a much different story. I mean lots of people would have been pissed, but it makes more sense than this. I can’t think of another time in iOS history that the current phone gets massive features in an iOS update that the rest of the supported devices don’t. So yes this is precedent that Apple will start only supporting the most high end iPhones for big AI features and potentially more. This is just the start.

 

[TimFL1]

On a new released 4S, that wasnt a mid year iOS update that gave Siri to the 4S. If this had been released on the 16 pros only, that would have been a much different story. I mean lots of people would have been pissed, but it makes more sense than this. I can’t think of another time in iOS history that the current phone gets massive features in an iOS update that the rest of the supported devices don’t. So yes this is precedent that Apple will start only supporting the most high end iPhones for big AI features and potentially more. This is just the start.

Your argument makes no sense. You‘re even agreeing that the situation with the 4S + Siri release was worse. Now Apple gives you their new AI functionality to phones that are a year old (and iPads / Macs that are several years old) instead of just giving it to the new devices in September?

 

[bluegt]

This 100%. My M3 max MacBook Pro will get advanced Siri, but my 2020 iPad Pro won’t and my iPhone 14pm that was supposedly so advanced by Apples standards won’t either. My wife’s 15pm will get the good Siri. This is an absolute mess. It won’t be a consistent experience across devices which seems like a huge mistake and a huge unapple thing to do.

I know that they had to put their foot into AI, but this is a mess. Wanting on device AI is all well and good, but now you have created a huge mess. Most people won’t have all 3 devices that get the “good” Siri, and as of now no watches get it. Very disappointed with this. First time I have seen an iOS release with the most current only select few devices getting it.

Don’t worry, by the time the feature is made available the 16pm will be out and you can upgrade.

 

[bmac4]

Your argument makes no sense. You‘re even agreeing that the situation with the 4S + Siri release was worse. Now Apple gives you their new AI functionality to phones that are a year old (and iPads / Macs that are several years old) instead of just giving it to the new devices in September?

What? You completely missed what I was saying. I think the Siri thing on iPhone 4S was a complete farce, and it was later confirmed when iPhone 4 got hacked and Siri worked. I am not agreeing at all the Siri addition to 4s was worse at all. This is way more of an f you from Apple. At least with a new phone people expect new features. Not in the middle of a cycle for the current phones to get features that set it apart. Clearly it’s Apple trying to push their newest devices.

My whole point is that Apple fragmenting their iPhone and iOS updates, they have created a ton confusion. Now you can own multiple devices that don’t all run the same thing. Your MacBook Pro might have new AI, you iPad doesn’t, and you phone may. Or any combination of those. That’s a total mess. Sure they had to bring AI to the table, but this is a disaster. If they would have waited on the 16s, it would have made some more sense, but the real f’ed up part is not offering any update to Siri on legacy devices. At least try and create some kind of continuity between the older devices and new.

 

[bmac4]

Don’t worry, by the time the feature is made available the 16pm will be out and you can upgrade.

But what if I don’t want to? That’s just it, i could have upgraded to the 15pm last year as I usually upgrade each year, but I chose not to. Like my 14pm and it was running just fine. Thought I could be more financially responsible and just more reasonable.

My plan was to wait and see for the 16pro, but try my best to hold onto the 14pm for another year. I know new phones always get something that the old ones don’t, but never had it been a huge iOS update feature. This was the biggest thing announced for iOS, but now it’s so limited with what can run it. Seems very desperate from Apple.

 

[TimFL1]

What? You completely missed what I was saying. I think the Siri thing on iPhone 4S was a complete farce, and it was later confirmed when iPhone 4 got hacked and Siri worked. I am not agreeing at all the Siri addition to 4s was worse at all. This is way more of an f you from Apple. At least with a new phone people expect new features. Not in the middle of a cycle for the current phones to get features that set it apart. Clearly it’s Apple trying to push their newest devices.

My whole point is that Apple fragmenting their iPhone and iOS updates, they have created a ton confusion. Now you can own multiple devices that don’t all run the same thing. Your MacBook Pro might have new AI, you iPad doesn’t, and you phone may. Or any combination of those. That’s a total mess. Sure they had to bring AI to the table, but this is a disaster. If they would have waited on the 16s, it would have made some more sense, but the real f’ed up part is not offering any update to Siri on legacy devices. At least try and create some kind of continuity between the older devices and new.

Loads of tech savy leakers already came out and claim the potentially limiting factor for AI being introduced is the amount of RAM (minimum of 8GB required), which only the 15 Pro lineup and the M1-4 chips provide.

That should settle your conspiracy theory.

 

[ab2c4]

I have read that when you get ios18 on a device that supports the new AI, it will give you the option of enabling it or not. If you do enable it and don't like it, will you still have the option of disabling it at that point?

 

[kvlq]

Is not their 3.5 model replaced by 4o by now for all?

i would say you;re right, but im not 100% sure.
anyway, there is a rate limit. wondering if that's the case in iOS18 also.

 

[bluegt]

i would say you;re right, but im not 100% sure.
anyway, there is a rate limit. wondering if that's the case in iOS18 also.

I don’t think mine is. How to know for sure?

 

[bmac4]

Loads of tech savy leakers already came out and claim the potentially limiting factor for AI being introduced is the amount of RAM (minimum of 8GB required), which only the 15 Pro lineup and the M1-4 chips provide.

That should settle your conspiracy theory.

What? Wow you don’t get it. And the most reports said some features would be iPhone 15s only. They didn’t say AI in general.

The ram argument is the poorest of the bunch. The iPhone 15pro is maxed out at 8gb of ram. If Apple Intelligences requires 8gb of ram to run, then the 15pros are gonna be bogged down completely. The iPad and MacBook pros would be the only ones that could handle that kind of power.

 

[TimFL1]

What? Wow you don’t get it. And the most reports said some features would be iPhone 15s only. They didn’t say AI in general.

The ram argument is the poorest of the bunch. The iPhone 15pro is maxed out at 8gb of ram. If Apple Intelligences requires 8gb of ram to run, then the 15pros are gonna be bogged down completely. The iPad and MacBook pros would be the only ones that could handle that kind of power.

Entry level Macs come with 8GB, so do 80%+ of all M-Chip iPads.

The 8GB system memory requirement sounds plausible, it doesn‘t mean the models require 8GB of memory to run.

 

[Ansath]

So if it’s required to have 8gb of ram, the iPhone 15pros are maxed out. That would eat up all the ram in the phone. So I really can’t believe 8gb of ram is required. The iPad and MacBooks would be the only devices that could handle AI if that was the case.

The RAM situation is real, if you've not worked in AI, it should be easy enough to research and see for yourself, plus various reputable analysts are also saying it.

You can't dismiss the RAM claim, just because it doesn't suit your argument.

 

[Ansath]

It seems like we will be getting options to use other AI models too, not just ChatGPT, so could use Gemini instead.

I would be heavily amused if Grok isn't an option, just cos it would really wind Musk up even more......

 

[bmac4]

Entry level Macs come with 8GB, so do 80%+ of all M-Chip iPads.

The 8GB system memory requirement sounds plausible, it doesn‘t mean the models require 8GB of memory to run.

Apple was building AI years ago (even from their claims yesterday that it’s been in the works). That being the case, they speak to how powerful their pro phones are. Then brag just a week ago about promising 5 years of iOS and security updates. Now this just proves that it’s 5 years of limited iOS support. Ram isn’t some super expensive thing that would have required a years of tech to wait to put it into the iPhone. Androids have had more ram than 8gb for a while now. So claiming it’s a ram limitation again just proves Apple had a plan all along.

The Mac argument is poor too. Most everyone agrees 8gb of ram is not enough in a computer these days. You can bog down the Mac’s with 8gb of ram pretty easy, if AI is so powerful, the Mac’s with 8gb are gonna be locked down and slow. Seems that would be a huge miss for Apple.