Everything about new Apple's Intelligence

[TimFL1]

I think the iPhone 15pro users are happy they added it and not limiting it to the 16, but all other users feel slighted. Well all but those who don't trust it. I may be falling into that category.

What about the camera on the 15pros and 14pros? The 14pros could totally take the 24mp pictures, and have portrait on any photo, but Apple used those as selling points for the 15pros. Thats why I wouldn't be surprised or mad at Apple for waiting on the 16. Holding out on hardware that is capable has never stopped Apple before.

I think holding back functionality where it‘s achievable is sleazy. I get that you‘re salty that your 14PM doesn‘t get these features but you have to admit it‘s better that they don‘t "planned obsolescence" all of their devices by making this 16P+ exclusive like they do with loads of other software or hardware elements (like 80% charging limits or the camera stuff).

With your rants you come off as „hey I don‘t get this on my 14PM so you 15PM folks shouldn‘t have fun either! This should be 16P+ only so no fun for all!“ which is what ignited this thread in the first place.

 

[gwhizkids]

Elon isn’t too thrilled about OpenAI.. not sure if anyone saw his responses.

Yeah. Very over the top. OpenAI is not even the centerpiece of Apple Intelligence. There’s no way he’s cutting off 2/3 of his X user base over this though. That would be phenomenally stupid.

 

[gwhizkids]

I found the presentation weirdly depressing, as if their goal was to make it so you no longer had to write your emails or read your emails.

I’ve had those capabilities on Spark and via Grammarly for a year now. I just ignore them as the prompt you need to type to get a good result is probably harder to do than just writing the email itself.

I do like Spark’s summarization of long emails/email threads. Some people just write too much in an email and threads can be tedious to go through, particularly for deliverables. So very helpful there.

 

[gwhizkids]

What? You completely missed what I was saying. I think the Siri thing on iPhone 4S was a complete farce, and it was later confirmed when iPhone 4 got hacked and Siri worked. I am not agreeing at all the Siri addition to 4s was worse at all. This is way more of an f you from Apple. At least with a new phone people expect new features. Not in the middle of a cycle for the current phones to get features that set it apart. Clearly it’s Apple trying to push their newest devices.

My whole point is that Apple fragmenting their iPhone and iOS updates, they have created a ton confusion. Now you can own multiple devices that don’t all run the same thing. Your MacBook Pro might have new AI, you iPad doesn’t, and you phone may. Or any combination of those. That’s a total mess. Sure they had to bring AI to the table, but this is a disaster. If they would have waited on the 16s, it would have made some more sense, but the real f’ed up part is not offering any update to Siri on legacy devices. At least try and create some kind of continuity between the older devices and new.

Apple sells hardware. All of its software is designed to get people to buy that hardware. They pay for the development of that (very expensive) software with revenue largely produced by selling that hardware.

That’s the cold cruel reality here.

No one is losing features, they’re just not gaining new ones.

 

[gwhizkids]

It seems like we will be getting options to use other AI models too, not just ChatGPT, so could use Gemini instead.

I would be heavily amused if Grok isn't an option, just cos it would really wind Musk up even more......

It’s all part of the negotiation process. Musk just happens to negotiate out in the open.

He needs Apple more than Apple needs him, however.

 

[mdinxcore]

wish it could work in other devices with A13, A14, A15, A16, and A10(X?), A11, and A12

 

[gwhizkids]

Apple was building AI years ago (even from their claims yesterday that it’s been in the works). That being the case, they speak to how powerful their pro phones are. Then brag just a week ago about promising 5 years of iOS and security updates. Now this just proves that it’s 5 years of limited iOS support. Ram isn’t some super expensive thing that would have required a years of tech to wait to put it into the iPhone. Androids have had more ram than 8gb for a while now. So claiming it’s a ram limitation again just proves Apple had a plan all along.

The Mac argument is poor too. Most everyone agrees 8gb of ram is not enough in a computer these days. You can bog down the Mac’s with 8gb of ram pretty easy, if AI is so powerful, the Mac’s with 8gb are gonna be locked down and slow. Seems that would be a huge miss for Apple.

‘Getting new features” is not the equivalent of “five years of support”.

If I buy a Mercedes E Class, I expect more “features” than if i buy a Toyota Corolla. You want the goods, pay for them.

 

[bmac4]

I think holding back functionality where it‘s achievable is sleazy. I get that you‘re salty that your 14PM doesn‘t get these features but you have to admit it‘s better that they don‘t "planned obsolescence" all of their devices by making this 16P+ exclusive like they do with loads of other software or hardware elements (like 80% charging limits or the camera stuff).

With your rants you come off as „hey I don‘t get this on my 14PM so you 15PM folks shouldn‘t have fun either! This should be 16P+ only so no fun for all!“ which is what ignited this thread in the first place.

This thread was ignited before I ever posted. The internet was ignited. You do realize the portion of iPhone users that have 15pros are not the majority?

I am not here saying just because the 14pm didn't get the AI stuff that I dont want 15pros to get it. Clearly I have said that I believe it negates some of the mess making the iPhone 16s the start of AI. Especially since Apple hasn't even set a date for when this will release, nor said when all the features will be added. This is half baked at best, and I realize they needed to get it out for fear of being left behind, but rushing it also isn't the correct approach.

I could get an iPhone 15pro if I truly wanted AI, but that to me just plays right into Apple's hand. I wanted to see what the 16pro offered, whether it was worth the upgrade. AI seemed exciting to me, but still very skeptical. Now it seems the 16pro will be another boring upgrade with a few AI integrations at launch.

 

[bmac4]

Apple sells hardware. All of its software is designed to get people to buy that hardware. They pay for the development of that (very expensive) software with revenue largely produced by selling that hardware.

That’s the cold cruel reality here.

No one is losing features, they’re just not gaining new ones.

True, but this is the first time I have seen iOS mid cycle had a feature exclusively to the newest and most expensive phones to push revenue.

 

[redbeard331]

Why were you expecting to try it out today? they clearly said the Apple Intelligence stuff is coming later in the summer.

I don’t know, they went so fast I missed some things, just figured we’d get something, like the new Siri. After all the hype, beta one just has the redesigned photos app, control center, and the icon coloring thing and being able to move icons around. Lots of hype, little actual new stuff.

 

[bmac4]

‘Getting new features” is not the equivalent of “five years of support”.

If I buy a Mercedes E Class, I expect more “features” than if i buy a Toyota Corolla. You want the goods, pay for them.

Uh, that doesn't make sense. I did paid for the E class. Got the most powerful iPhone at launch.

It wasn't just "five years of support", it was iOS updates. Yes it's getting updates, but not the full version of the software. This is the first time ever that iOS has been updated and left a not even 2 year old "pro" device behind.

Instead of Apple saying we f'ed up (never gonna happen) and banked on the wrong AI, they rushed AI and left their devices fragmented. Sure 3 years from now all devices will have AI, but currently they didn't have an option for adding a "not as good" model of AI to the iPhone that don't meet the Apple Intelligence standards. It is best and most expensive hardware or you're out.

 

[bmac4]

I think holding back functionality where it‘s achievable is sleazy. I get that you‘re salty that your 14PM doesn‘t get these features but you have to admit it‘s better that they don‘t "planned obsolescence" all of their devices by making this 16P+ exclusive like they do with loads of other software or hardware elements (like 80% charging limits or the camera stuff).

With your rants you come off as „hey I don‘t get this on my 14PM so you 15PM folks shouldn‘t have fun either! This should be 16P+ only so no fun for all!“ which is what ignited this thread in the first place.

The funny thing is, with much of the features being added before iOS 19, from what I am seeing that means later into next year. It sure seems like they are just releasing some of the AI to the 15pros to not completely piss all the iPhone users. The 16pro will be the real "AI" phones for Apple. So wait until September when there are AI features announced that the 15pros have every ability to run, but Apple held out for the 16s exclusively. You get AI, but just the half baked version.

 

[Ansath]

I posted this in the other AI thread, but good for here too.. What's interesting, in MKBHD's new video, he asked about the integration with OpenAI, and how much is done on device, etc.

He was told that almost everything is done on device (so this is clearly why RAM is a factor in things), from Apple built models, and that gives fast responses, etc (whereas the Android devices pushing most of it to the cloud will have slower responses and poor signal will make that even worse) - so to me, it's clear they're aiming for a best user experience with this..... they say that anything that is too complex to run on device, or outside of Apple's on device model's expertise it can try and use Apple's Private Cloud Compute.

If it thinks it's something ChatGPT can do better, it will ask the user if you want to use ChatGPT - and it will ask each individual time. It's not a 'say yes once and it will use ChatGPT whenever', it asks you every single time to confirm if you want to use ChatGPT - which is nice to know, if you never want to use ChatGPT, you just say no. Also, OpenAI is not allowed to ever store any of the requests and your IP address will be obscured, so OpenAI cannot connect multiple requests to profile you.

 

[Ansath]

Uh, that doesn't make sense. I did paid for the E class. Got the most powerful iPhone at launch.

It wasn't just "five years of support", it was iOS updates. Yes it's getting updates, but not the full version of the software. This is the first time ever that iOS has been updated and left a not even 2 year old "pro" device behind.

Instead of Apple saying we f'ed up (never gonna happen) and banked on the wrong AI, they rushed AI and left their devices fragmented. Sure 3 years from now all devices will have AI, but currently they didn't have an option for adding a "not as good" model of AI to the iPhone that don't meet the Apple Intelligence standards. It is best and most expensive hardware or you're out.

You're getting 5 years of iOS updates, just that not every feature can be supported by older hardware. You're conflating 2 things into 1, either not realising or purposefully misrepresenting for the sake of complaining.

 

[Ansath]

Also, thought this post in another thread might also add further context.

I would also add this - Apple's white paper on running large language models on limited memory devices (ie: 8GB) was published in December 2023, after the iPhone 15 came out. The research on this paper was likely occurring well after the iPhone 15 family's specs were locked in. It's entirely possible Apple thought 6GB of RAM would have even been sufficient, allowing the AI features to go back all the way to the 12 Pro, but found during its research and testing that it was inadequate.

 

[bmac4]

You're getting 5 years of iOS updates, just that not every feature can be supported by older hardware. You're conflating 2 things into 1, either not realising or purposefully misrepresenting for the sake of complaining.

What are you saying? I am not, clearly I said you get iOS updates, but I then said not full iOS updates. It's only part of the iOS updates that either Apple deems best for your device, or Apple says the hardware can't handle. I will say this again, this is the first time that beyond new hardware that iOS has limited what features certain devices receive in an iOS update. Everyone expects new hardware to come with new features, but it comes as a very big surprise that an entire headline feature of iOS doesn't get released to devices that are not even 2 years old. Not even a partial version of the feature.

 

[gwhizkids]

This thread is going a bit tiresome.

 

[Ansath]

This is interesting….

https://twitter.com/x/status/1800277157135909005

 

[Tagbert]

Yeah. Very over the top. OpenAI is not even the centerpiece of Apple Intelligence. There’s no way he’s cutting off 2/3 of his X user base over this though. That would be phenomenally stupid.

Isn’t this the person who fired the whole Supercharger team?