Everything about new Apple's Intelligence

[bmac4]

The RAM situation is real, if you've not worked in AI, it should be easy enough to research and see for yourself, plus various reputable analysts are also saying it.

You can't dismiss the RAM claim, just because it doesn't suit your argument.

Not dismissing it at all. See previous reply. If ram is the big deal you claim, how is a stock MacBook Air with 8gb of ram that can be bogged down pretty easily gonna run with AI on top of that? Your claims of it being so ram intensive, that will completely bog down the air. Seems like a pretty terrible experience.

 

[TimFL1]

Apple was building AI years ago (even from their claims yesterday that it’s been in the works). That being the case, they speak to how powerful their pro phones are. Then brag just a week ago about promising 5 years of iOS and security updates. Now this just proves that it’s 5 years of limited iOS support. Ram isn’t some super expensive thing that would have required a years of tech to wait to put it into the iPhone. Androids have had more ram than 8gb for a while now. So claiming it’s a ram limitation again just proves Apple had a plan all along.

The Mac argument is poor too. Most everyone agrees 8gb of ram is not enough in a computer these days. You can bog down the Mac’s with 8gb of ram pretty easy, if AI is so powerful, the Mac’s with 8gb are gonna be locked down and slow. Seems that would be a huge miss for Apple.

If 8GB Macs (and the 15 Pro lineup in this case) get bogged down by Apple Intelligence / LLM, what do you think happens to devices with 2GB less (or even 4GB less) RAM?

A probably even more terrible experience.

 

[bmac4]

If 8GB Macs (and the 15 Pro lineup in this case) get bogged down by Apple Intelligence / LLM, what do you think happens to devices with 2GB less (or even 4GB less) RAM?

A probably even more terrible experience.

Exactly my point. That’s not the case. My point all along is that the legacy iPhones would have no issues running AI. It’s not as ram intensive as you say.

Also knowing AI was coming, why were the 15s developed with not the right hardware to run AI? Apple clearly knew AI was coming. It’s a pro feature? That total seems like an up sale move from Apple. Also kind of breaks down because nothing that Apple showed in the demo was Pro at all. AI at its core isn’t pro. It’s the exact opposite. It’s to make people’s lives easier and have to do less.

I have been a fan of Apple’s for a long time. Have a bunch of Apple devices, but lately I feel like Apple is losing its luster. This just all put another nail in the coffin for me. Closer to sealing up. I love Apple pushing forward in tech and adding needed features. But this is a first for me. iOS has never been so fragmented before. If Apple couldn’t have figured out a way to bring AI in same shape to all supported iOS 18 devices, they should have just waited. I honestly don’t believe that’s the case because it doesn’t seem very Apple to rush something out just to have it. They wait until it’s fine tuned. Fine tuned AI that brings AI to only a portion of iOS users. Such a big advancement in tech that leaves many iOS users in the dark seems rather poor on Apples part.

 

[Paddle1]

Not dismissing it at all. See previous reply. If ram is the big deal you claim, how is a stock MacBook Air with 8gb of ram that can be bogged down pretty easily gonna run with AI on top of that? Your claims of it being so ram intensive, that will completely bog down the air. Seems like a pretty terrible experience.

The RAM isn't used in the same on macOS as on iOS. The Mac has memory swap which allows it to do more with the same space.

 

[bmac4]

The RAM isn't used in the same on macOS as on iOS. The Mac has memory swap which allows it to do more with the same space.

Still though, the 8gb ram MacBooks get bogged down fast with heavier task. The memory swap won’t help that with AI if it’s that powerful.

 

[Rogifan]

I'm wondering which GPT model (3.5, 4-turbo, 4o) we'll be gettin' for free in iOS18.

I expect at some point there will be an Apple Intelligence+ that will be a subscription, maybe part of Apple One. Wall Street will expect Apple to monetize this somehow.

 

[Ansath]

Apple was building AI years ago (even from their claims yesterday that it’s been in the works). That being the case, they speak to how powerful their pro phones are. Then brag just a week ago about promising 5 years of iOS and security updates. Now this just proves that it’s 5 years of limited iOS support. Ram isn’t some super expensive thing that would have required a years of tech to wait to put it into the iPhone. Androids have had more ram than 8gb for a while now. So claiming it’s a ram limitation again just proves Apple had a plan all along.

The Mac argument is poor too. Most everyone agrees 8gb of ram is not enough in a computer these days. You can bog down the Mac’s with 8gb of ram pretty easy, if AI is so powerful, the Mac’s with 8gb are gonna be locked down and slow. Seems that would be a huge miss for Apple.

I'm giving up trying to explain it to you, as no matter how I explain it, you just seem not to understand it giving it just one last go, see if these facts and rational thinking help you learn about it more, so you can be more informed - as I pointed out, there's enough documentation around LLMs across the board, from experts, that is clear about RAM needed for LLMs. Which you're deciding to ignore because you seemingly know better? What's your qualifications to support that you know more?

As for the RAM in the phones, whilst Apple spent years on the AI, I would suspect that Apple thought/aimed to have it be able to run on lower than 8GB when it was ready to launch (bearing in mind the hardware specs for the iPhone 15s were finalised early 2023 and AI isn't launching officially in beta until the Fall), and failed to meet that goal.

Your point about Android is flawed, as Android is not doing as much on device as Apple will be, and they have delays in coming back with answers, etc, as they rely on your internet connection to go out to the cloud and back again. Whereas, as per Apple's demos, they are doing most of it on Device, and keeping the cloud usage for when absolutely needed. It needs that RAM to be able to work that out.

There's nothing to say that maybe once it comes out of Beta, they can retroactively enable it on some of the 6GB devices like the non-pro 15's, we just don't know for sure yet. We only know what devices support it whilst it's in Beta come the Fall.

Also, promising 5 years support =/= every single feature is guaranteed, same as any Goolge/Samsung. With iOS 18, almost all the devices are getting about 90% of what's demoed (give or take), the only thing that's really not guaranteed to all the devices is Apple Intelligence. So you're misrepresenting the facts to try and make a point.

 

[canyonblue737]

On a new released 4S, that wasnt a mid year iOS update that gave Siri to the 4S. If this had been released on the 16 pros only, that would have been a much different story. I mean lots of people would have been pissed, but it makes more sense than this. I can’t think of another time in iOS history that the current phone gets massive features in an iOS update that the rest of the supported devices don’t. So yes this is precedent that Apple will start only supporting the most high end iPhones for big AI features and potentially more. This is just the start.

I've been an Apple guy since the 1984 Macintosh 128k (I'm old.) Apple is all about the money, marketing and branding... but I just have a gut feeling this take isn't right. I do think this is a rare one off situation where AI exploded 18-24 months ago and Tim Cook and Apple spun the ship hard in its direction when they saw what large language models like ChatGPT were doing and how the public was reacting. The problem was the feature set they wanted for iOS 18 and the desire of Apple to have much of the AI done *on device* for speed and privacy (something very few others are attempting) required processing power that anything other than the A17 Pro and M-series just didn't have. I'm sure that in hindsight they would have wanted a different chip in the iPhone 15 last year to try and more future proof that phone but those decisions and chip orders are made YEARS in advance, and I think this software choice to move to AI was made more recently. Finally I think there likely were ways to put some or all of "Apple Intelligence" on older devices by either 1) eliminating more taxing features like image generation from older models or 2) offloading AI features to the cloud that are done locally on newer models ... the problem with that it makes it confusing what "Apple Intelligence" is to the end user because they can't "see" AI and can only discover features are missing from their particular model when it fails or they just have a negative experience because they ask for something AI processed from Siri and the speed is slow making the feature feel bad. Apple wanted everyone to have the same "Apple Intelligence" experience and be delighted how fast and snappy it felt compared to competitors who do this a different way, and that unfortunately means its very limited to the newest high end iPhones or the iPhones launching this year. I don't think this will become a trend moving forward or is "just the start"... I just think this is the result of a necessary pivot in the direction all technology is going.

 

[Rogifan]

Siri will remain as is, for devices that does not support Apple Intelligence (for now, at least, who knows if that will change down the line)

They didn’t say in the keynote but I wonder if they made improvements to Siri in general (outside of Apple Intelligence) that would come to older devices?

 

[Ansath]

They didn’t say in the keynote but I wonder if they made improvements to Siri in general (outside of Apple Intelligence) that would come to older devices?

I've not seen anything to hint/say there are, maybe there will be, but we'll just have to wait and see. From my usage of iOS 18 so far, nothing yet anyway

 

[canyonblue737]

This 100%. My M3 max MacBook Pro will get advanced Siri, but my 2020 iPad Pro won’t and my iPhone 14pm that was supposedly so advanced by Apples standards won’t either. My wife’s 15pm will get the good Siri. This is an absolute mess. It won’t be a consistent experience across devices which seems like a huge mistake and a huge unapple thing to do.

I know that they had to put their foot into AI, but this is a mess. Wanting on device AI is all well and good, but now you have created a huge mess. Most people won’t have all 3 devices that get the “good” Siri, and as of now no watches get it. Very disappointed with this. First time I have seen an iOS release with the most current only select few devices getting it.

"This is an absolute mess. It won’t be a consistent experience across devices which seems like a huge mistake and a huge unapple thing to do."

I think Apple would say that exact quote too... IF they put these new AI features on the older phones. The problem is in order to get this stuff to work on older phones and processors they likely would have to cut out features, or off load more of the features to the cloud making them slower... that means an inconsistent experience across devices and would make "Apple Intelligence" feel "bad" to some users while being "good" to other users. It would even be hard to know what Siri / Apple Intelligence is even capable of if they needed to cut some stuff out, because AI unlike an app or an icon on the screen often doesn't have anything visible indicating what it is capable of. So let's say on an iPhone 14 Pro you ask it to make a dinosaur riding a surfboard emoji and it says it can't do that, but on a iPhone 15 Pro it says "sure!" and makes a cool one... how do you let the end user know that capability is lacking short of just disappointing them in the moment? Bottom line is Apple wants "Apple Intelligence" to be shockingly good, full featured, and fast when it launches so people have a positive first experience and embrace the new technology... that means limiting it to the newest devices. Like I said, I'm burned too... while my wife and I have iPhone 15 Pros and we are insane and always upgrade yearly, that isn't true for our high school and college kids, who because of timing will have to wait several years for their iPhones to have this tech (although they do have iPads that can do it.) It's not ideal, but it's probably for the best and this is just a period of time we all have to get through. In 2-4 years most people will have new phones and the tech will be deeply entrenched through the entire operating system.

 

[bmac4]

I'm giving up trying to explain it to you, as no matter how I explain it, you just seem not to understand it giving it just one last go, see if these facts and rational thinking help you learn about it more, so you can be more informed - as I pointed out, there's enough documentation around LLMs across the board, from experts, that is clear about RAM needed for LLMs. Which you're deciding to ignore because you seemingly know better? What's your qualifications to support that you know more?

As for the RAM in the phones, whilst Apple spent years on the AI, I would suspect that Apple thought/aimed to have it be able to run on lower than 8GB when it was ready to launch (bearing in mind the hardware specs for the iPhone 15s were finalised early 2023 and AI isn't launching officially in beta until the Fall), and failed to meet that goal.

Your point about Android is flawed, as Android is not doing as much on device as Apple will be, and they have delays in coming back with answers, etc, as they rely on your internet connection to go out to the cloud and back again. Whereas, as per Apple's demos, they are doing most of it on Device, and keeping the cloud usage for when absolutely needed. It needs that RAM to be able to work that out.

There's nothing to say that maybe once it comes out of Beta, they can retroactively enable it on some of the 6GB devices like the non-pro 15's, we just don't know for sure yet. We only know what devices support it whilst it's in Beta come the Fall.

Also, promising 5 years support =/= every single feature is guaranteed, same as any Goolge/Samsung. With iOS 18, almost all the devices are getting about 90% of what's demoed (give or take), the only thing that's really not guaranteed to all the devices is Apple Intelligence. So you're misrepresenting the facts to try and make a point.

You don't need to explain anything to me as I am not arguing that AI requires Ram. Thats exactly my point, if Ram were the limiting factor here, 15pros with just 8gb of Ram would be very hampered by running a software that requires most of it to run. Same for base MacBook airs. If AI is so power hungry, these machines are gonna be slow.

No my point is that AI on android is not relying on on-device AI fully, but does have some. My point with Android is simply that Ram in mobile devices of 8gb plus ram has been around before the 14s or even the 13s were around. Apple knowing AI was coming, but yet decided to only put 6gb of ram seems like it is very planned. Apple had plenty of access to ram at the time for both 13s and 14s. All that said, what's the story as to why the 15s dont have enough ram? That seems the most fishy of all of them.

90% of the features? Come on now, most of what iOS 18 does is merely cosmic. So claiming 90% is pretty lame. The major feature in iOS 18 is AI. The 14s didn't even get 2 years of full iOS support. Thats pretty terrible. That is a first as well.

 

[TimFL1]

Exactly my point. That’s not the case. My point all along is that the legacy iPhones would have no issues running AI. It’s not as ram intensive as you say.

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I‘m fully aware of what hardware requirements LLMs have as I‘ve been developing several proof of concept LLMs for my company, which have all been dropped faster than a hot potato when they realized you can‘t train a model with run of the mill GPUs (they were always RAM / VRAM constrained).

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Also knowing AI was coming, why were the 15s developed with not the right hardware to run AI? Apple clearly knew AI was coming. It’s a pro feature? That total seems like an up sale move from Apple. Also kind of breaks down because nothing that Apple showed in the demo was Pro at all. AI at its core isn’t pro. It’s the exact opposite. It’s to make people’s lives easier and have to do less.

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People fell for that bait? Apple Intelligence has not been in development for years on end. If people read up on the various news sites, it‘s clear that this is a last minute fumble initiative that gained traction roughly a year ago due to shareholders pressuring Apple (and people like Craig realizing it‘s in demand). Apple banked on the wrong AI horse with their subtle (less "chatty" approach) and it backfired.
The keynote undermines this by how half-baked their solutions are (no proper GPT competitor, lightweight LLMs on device that offload heavy tasks to other AI providers, still building their server farms for cloud computing and so on). Not saying that their Intelligence package isn‘t cool, but I can‘t help but feel we‘re missing out cause they hopped on the generative AI train so goddamn late compared to others.

Imagine a world where they started taking this serious and actually poured resources into the initiative half a decade ago instead of roughly a year ago (as confirmed by various reports coming out citing employees furious at the lack of resources / interest Apple has in LLM).

They didn’t say in the keynote but I wonder if they made improvements to Siri in general (outside of Apple Intelligence) that would come to older devices?

There will most likely be no big improvements to classic Siri. ChatGPT integration will probably also require the Apple Intelligence package since their context gathering mechanism requires that hardware setup (the thingy that predefines the data you are most likely to need for a successful ChatGPT response).

 

[canyonblue737]

If 8GB Macs (and the 15 Pro lineup in this case) get bogged down by Apple Intelligence / LLM, what do you think happens to devices with 2GB less (or even 4GB less) RAM?

A probably even more terrible experience.

It will be interesting to see if RAM is a big part of the limitations around on device AI or if it is the neural engine part of the chip that limits this to the newest models. My brand new M4 iPad with 512GB storage has just 8GB of RAM (vs. 16GB in the 1/2TB models but at a $500+ premium for the privilege)... I truly hope this doesn't translate into slower performance or quick limitations in future years.

 

[TimFL1]

It will be interesting to see if RAM is a big part of the limitations around on device AI or if it is the neural engine part of the chip that limits this to the newest models. My brand new M4 iPad with 512GB storage has just 8GB of RAM (vs. 16GB in the 1/2TB models but at a $500+ premium for the privilege)... I truly hope this doesn't translate into slower performance or quick limitations in future years.

It‘s probably RAM, otherwise iPhone 12 upwards should be capable enough to run these frameworks with their NPU roughly equaling the ones found in M1 chips.

One of the taxing parts of LLMs is access to fast memory. On Desktops you usually have very fast GPU memory the models can load into (on Apple devices it‘s an unified memory pool).

The common denominator between all supported Apple Intelligence devices is the 8GB system memory, so it‘s assumed that their on-device model requires a portion of that pool (that would exceed the other devices with 6GB and less memory). It‘s not taking the whole pool (OS etc. takes up a portion) but seems to be enough to run their LLM somewhere in that free portion of the 8GB setup.

 

[bmac4]

I've been an Apple guy since the 1984 Macintosh 128k (I'm old.) Apple is all about the money, marketing and branding... but I just have a gut feeling this take isn't right. I do think this is a rare one off situation where AI exploded 18-24 months ago and Tim Cook and Apple spun the ship hard in its direction when they saw what large language models like ChatGPT were doing and how the public was reacting. The problem was the feature set they wanted for iOS 18 and the desire of Apple to have much of the AI done *on device* for speed and privacy (something very few others are attempting) required processing power that anything other than the A17 Pro and M-series just didn't have. I'm sure that in hindsight they would have wanted a different chip in the iPhone 15 last year to try and more future proof that phone but those decisions and chip orders are made YEARS in advance, and I think this software choice to move to AI was made more recently. Finally I think there likely were ways to put some or all of "Apple Intelligence" on older devices by either 1) eliminating more taxing features like image generation from older models or 2) offloading AI features to the cloud that are done locally on newer models ... the problem with that it makes it confusing what "Apple Intelligence" is to the end user because they can't "see" AI and can only discover features are missing from their particular model when it fails or they just have a negative experience because they ask for something AI processed from Siri and the speed is slow making the feature feel bad. Apple wanted everyone to have the same "Apple Intelligence" experience and be delighted how fast and snappy it felt compared to competitors who do this a different way, and that unfortunately means its very limited to the newest high end iPhones or the iPhones launching this year. I don't think this will become a trend moving forward or is "just the start"... I just think this is the result of a necessary pivot in the direction all technology is going.

So I don't disagree that AI exploded fast that Apple could have ever thought, but that said when has Apple ever rushed out something like this? They are usually always the last to come to market, and do it "better" than everyone else. Why was this different?

So while I agree the hardware is made years in advance, when Apple realized AI was coming fast and they had to do something, why did they not wait for the 16s? Would have made a whole lot more sense to say these new phones that are just releasing are the only iPhones that can run AI? That has been Apples MO all along. Hell they aren't releasing AI likely until close to when the 16s are released. Of course it would still have made people mad, but not as much.

Here's my other big thing. Apple is all about continuity, and this is just a total mess for that. No Apple Watches, Apple TVs, or HomePods run Apple Intelligence. So users that want to use AI will get vastly different experiences across devices. Your 15pro will have smart Siri and AI, but when you ask your Apple Watch the same question, you dont get the same experience at all. I know most of us here are rather tech savvy, but most iOS users aren't. This experience for them will be very confusing and an utter mess. Seems to be a common theme these days with Apple. More and more just half worked out software. Bugs that still exist through a lifecycle of an iOS version. This all seems half thought out.

 

[canyonblue737]

It‘s probably RAM, otherwise iPhone 12 upwards should be capable enough to run these frameworks with their NPU roughly equaling the ones found in M1 chips.

One of the taxing parts of LLMs is access to fast memory. On Desktops you usually have very fast GPU memory the models can load into (on Apple devices it‘s an unified memory pool).

The common denominator between all supported Apple Intelligence devices is the 8GB system memory, so it‘s assumed that their on-device model requires a portion of that pool (that would exceed the other devices with 6GB and less memory). It‘s not taking the whole pool (OS etc. takes up a portion) but seems to be enough to run their LLM somewhere in that free portion of the 8GB setup.

almost makes me wish I paid $500 more for the 1TB model with 16GB of RAM for my new M4 iPad Pro. Oh well, when AI makes it feel slow in a few years I guess I upgrade lol! Tim Cook wins!

 

[bmac4]

"This is an absolute mess. It won’t be a consistent experience across devices which seems like a huge mistake and a huge unapple thing to do."

I think Apple would say that exact quote too... IF they put these new AI features on the older phones. The problem is in order to get this stuff to work on older phones and processors they likely would have to cut out features, or off load more of the features to the cloud making them slower... that means an inconsistent experience across devices and would make "Apple Intelligence" feel "bad" to some users while being "good" to other users. It would even be hard to know what Siri / Apple Intelligence is even capable of if they needed to cut some stuff out, because AI unlike an app or an icon on the screen often doesn't have anything visible indicating what it is capable of. So let's say on an iPhone 14 Pro you ask it to make a dinosaur riding a surfboard emoji and it says it can't do that, but on a iPhone 15 Pro it says "sure!" and makes a cool one... how do you let the end user know that capability is lacking short of just disappointing them in the moment? Bottom line is Apple wants "Apple Intelligence" to be shockingly good, full featured, and fast when it launches so people have a positive first experience and embrace the new technology... that means limiting it to the newest devices. Like I said, I'm burned too... while my wife and I have iPhone 15 Pros and we are insane and always upgrade yearly, that isn't true for our high school and college kids, who because of timing will have to wait several years for their iPhones to have this tech (although they do have iPads that can do it.) It's not ideal, but it's probably for the best and this is just a period of time we all have to get through. In 2-4 years most people will have new phones and the tech will be deeply entrenched through the all operating system.

I explained my thoughts in more detail on this topic in my previous reply, but it's just my point. So your iPhone 15pro will give you that dinosaur you want, but if you ask your Apple Watch to do it, nope it can't. In fast you get a much dumber version of Siri. Hey you want to ask Siri on your HomePod to give that example they did yesterday picking up information from past messages you have had with someone to give you details on events and places. Nope it can't do it. So then your Siri experience (what most not tech people will see AI as) will a total toss up depending on the device you are using.

I get as people upgrade in the coming years, this will become more widely used, but in this moment Apple has created a massive mess. I was the upgrader every year type of guy until the 14pros. Thought maybe I could get another year out of my 14pm, but Apples doing just what they wanted. I am questioning that decision if I want AI features.

 

[bmac4]

I‘m fully aware of what hardware requirements LLMs have as I‘ve been developing several proof of concept LLMs for my company, which have all been dropped faster than a hot potato when they realized you can‘t train a model with run of the mill GPUs (they were always RAM / VRAM constrained).


People fell for that bait? Apple Intelligence has not been in development for years on end. If people read up on the various news sites, it‘s clear that this is a last minute fumble initiative that gained traction roughly a year ago due to shareholders pressuring Apple (and people like Craig realizing it‘s in demand). Apple banked on the wrong AI horse with their subtle (less "chatty" approach) and it backfired.
The keynote undermines this by how half-baked their solutions are (no proper GPT competitor, lightweight LLMs on device that offload heavy tasks to other AI providers, still building their server farms for cloud computing and so on). Not saying that their Intelligence package isn‘t cool, but I can‘t help but feel we‘re missing out cause they hopped on the generative AI train so goddamn late compared to others.

Imagine a world where they started taking this serious and actually poured resources into the initiative half a decade ago instead of roughly a year ago (as confirmed by various reports coming out citing employees furious at the lack of resources / interest Apple has in LLM).


There will most likely be no big improvements to classic Siri. ChatGPT integration will probably also require the Apple Intelligence package since their context gathering mechanism requires that hardware setup (the thingy that predefines the data you are most likely to need for a successful ChatGPT response).

Can’t believe everything you read, but if they did go after the wrong AI, I agree this is a half baked example of AI. This is AI at its simplest.

I will stand behind that pushing this as an 15pro or later was a push to drive some sales late in the 15pros life. Would have made way more sense to just add it to the 16s.

 

[canyonblue737]

I explained my thoughts in more detail on this topic in my previous reply, but it's just my point. So your iPhone 15pro will give you that dinosaur you want, but if you ask your Apple Watch to do it, nope it can't. In fast you get a much dumber version of Siri. Hey you want to ask Siri on your HomePod to give that example they did yesterday picking up information from past messages you have had with someone to give you details on events and places. Nope it can't do it. So then your Siri experience (what most not tech people will see AI as) will a total toss up depending on the device you are using.

I get as people upgrade in the coming years, this will become more widely used, but in this moment Apple has created a massive mess. I was the upgrader every year type of guy until the 14pros. Thought maybe I could get another year out of my 14pm, but Apples doing just what they wanted. I am questioning that decision if I want AI features.

It will be messy, I totally agree. Not sure what Apple could have done about it other than 1) offer crippled or very slow AI on older devices like phones, the Apple Watch, HomePods etc. or 2) develop AI in silence another 3-4 years while releasing hardware right now they know will be AI capable with their plans, so when they do release AI there is a large number of AI capable devices of all types in the marketplace. Of course in the meanwhile Google and others will happily launch AI capable hardware devices. This will be a messy time but by 3-4 years from all of us will hopefully have an even more capable "Apple Intelligence" on our wrists, in out pockets, in our iPads and Macs, and on our HomePods, AppleTVs and wiz-bang Vision Pro googles or whatever else Apple puts out there...

 

[bmac4]

It will be messy, I totally agree. Not sure what Apple could have done about it other than 1) offer crippled or very slow AI on older devices like phones, the Apple Watch, HomePods etc. or 2) develop AI in silence another 3-4 years while releasing hardware right now they know will be AI capable with their plans, so when they do release AI there is a large number of AI capable devices of all types in the marketplace. Of course in the meanwhile Google and others will happily launch AI capable hardware devices. This will be a messy time but by 3-4 years from all of us will hopefully have an even more capable "Apple Intelligence" on our wrists, in out pockets, in our iPads and Macs, and on our HomePods, AppleTVs and wiz-bang Vision Pro googles or whatever else Apple puts out there...

Yes I agree. I guess Apple felt like playing the waiting game wasn’t the right play. Fair, but now the aftermath of not having a consistent experience across devices. People will really go nuts if they update the watch and HomePods and the newest are the only ones that can run AI. That’s an expensive investment.

Honestly the more I read, the more I am not sure I even want AI. I know it’s mostly on device, but there is still the cloud part it. Then we also did have the deleted photos coming back fiasco just a month ago from Apple. I only trust them at an arms length. So maybe it’s a blessing I am not getting it. Or maybe I upgrade to the 16pro. I just hate to be forced to do that when I have a perfectly good phone right now. One that I still have an Apple leather case on. Something I will never be able to get again.

 

[TimFL1]

Yes I agree. I guess Apple felt like playing the waiting game wasn’t the right play. Fair, but now the aftermath of not having a consistent experience across devices. People will really go nuts if they update the watch and HomePods and the newest are the only ones that can run AI. That’s an expensive investment.

Honestly the more I read, the more I am not sure I even want AI. I know it’s mostly on device, but there is still the cloud part it. Then we also did have the deleted photos coming back fiasco just a month ago from Apple. I only trust them at an arms length. So maybe it’s a blessing I am not getting it. Or maybe I upgrade to the 16pro. I just hate to be forced to do that when I have a perfectly good phone right now. One that I still have an Apple leather case on. Something I will never be able to get again.

I agree with the sentiment that a proper upgrade to their AI / Siri efforts would only really be of use to me on the HomePod. I use my HomePods daily for every day stuff like HomeKit controls, timers, Music playback and so on (whatever domains Siri has the least issues with).
I would love to talk to Siri without losing context, while e.g. cooking (for step by step guidance). They‘ll have my money once a new HomePod is capable of using these new flashy tools.

That being said, your whole journey in here is a fast track through 5 stages of grief, with you settling in the acceptance phase (no offense to you, what a rollercoaster).

 

[bmac4]

I agree with the sentiment that a proper upgrade to their AI / Siri efforts would only really be of use to me on the HomePod. I use my HomePods daily for every day stuff like HomeKit controls, timers, Music playback and so on (whatever domains Siri has the least issues with).
I would love to talk to Siri without losing context, while e.g. cooking (for step by step guidance). They‘ll have my money once a new HomePod is capable of using these new flashy tools.

That being said, your whole journey in here is a fast track through 5 stages of grief, with you settling in the acceptance phase (no offense to you, what a rollercoaster).

Well to a point. I still very much think Apple made a poor choice with AI at the cost of their users. Whether or not they knowingly chose handicap the prior processors or it was a total surprise the direction AI went and Apple is playing catchup. This entire Apple Intelligence is such a mess.

I am with you on the HomePod, the one device that truly needs AI still has nothing. It can barely play the right music you ask it too. It just sounds really good when it plays something lol.

I was pissed at the announcement that only iPhone 15pros would get AI, and I still am to extent. But also doing some reading not totally sure of AI and privacy as much as Apple says they are protecting. My real beef is that Apple bet all their chips with iOS 18 on Apple Intelligence. The rest of iOS 18 is just a few nice to have add ons and some cosmetic junk. When betting so much on a feature a very limited number of users can use, that just feels very careless on Apples part. That to me is why I say Apple forced this early before the 16 was announced because they thought it could push some extra 15pro sales. Going with release on 16s would seem way more logical, but still left the ecosystem in a mess. There was no around that for Apple, but to create a little less mess the 16 series seemed like the right choice.

 

[TimFL1]

Well to a point. I still very much think Apple made a poor choice with AI at the cost of their users. Whether or not they knowingly chose handicap the prior processors or it was a total surprise the direction AI went and Apple is playing catchup. This entire Apple Intelligence is such a mess.

I am with you on the HomePod, the one device that truly needs AI still has nothing. It can barely play the right music you ask it too. It just sounds really good when it plays something lol.

I was pissed at the announcement that only iPhone 15pros would get AI, and I still am to extent. But also doing some reading not totally sure of AI and privacy as much as Apple says they are protecting. My real beef is that Apple bet all their chips with iOS 18 on Apple Intelligence. The rest of iOS 18 is just a few nice to have add ons and some cosmetic junk. When betting so much on a feature a very limited number of users can use, that just feels very careless on Apples part. That to me is why I say Apple forced this early before the 16 was announced because they thought it could push some extra 15pro sales. Going with release on 16s would seem way more logical, but still left the ecosystem in a mess. There was no around that for Apple, but to create a little less mess the 16 series seemed like the right choice.

Glass is half-full vs half-empty, all boils down to your individual perception.

Some see this as a hostile cash grab that entices you to buy a 15P, the vast majority sees it probably as a „hey at least they add it to the 15P lineup instead of limiting it to 16P+".
Like I said, could‘ve been worse with them pulling a 4S by limiting the functionality to their upcoming flagship phones when they can actually run it on their current gen devices that sport 8GB of system memory.

 

[bmac4]

Glass is half-full vs half-empty, all boils down to your individual perception.

Some see this as a hostile cash grab that entices you to buy a 15P, the vast majority sees it probably as a „hey at least they add it to the 15P lineup instead of limiting it to 16P+".
Like I said, could‘ve been worse with them pulling a 4S by limiting the functionality to their upcoming flagship phones when they can actually run it on their current gen devices that sport 8GB of system memory.

I think the iPhone 15pro users are happy they added it and not limiting it to the 16, but all other users feel slighted. Well all but those who don't trust it. I may be falling into that category.

What about the camera on the 15pros and 14pros? The 14pros could totally take the 24mp pictures, and have portrait on any photo, but Apple used those as selling points for the 15pros. Thats why I wouldn't be surprised or mad at Apple for waiting on the 16. Holding out on hardware that is capable has never stopped Apple before.