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When the iPads first came out I was thinking "Great, cool. When I find a use for it I'll get one." Years later, I'm still trying to find that use case.
 
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bro still can't afford $10 usd for PCalc 🤣

Sad, isn't it. There's even a FREE version of pCalc for those who would be forced into bankruptcy spending that $10.

More likely: Getting pCalc or some other calculator would remove the wee bit of joy some have from constantly being upset about Apple. And not acceding to their calculator demands. BAD APPLE!
 
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come on Apple, can't you at least try to bring something new and innovative to the table instead of just rehashing old technology like a broken record?
That’s because they refuse to completely rewrite and redesign their archaic software. Their hardware is great. It’s the OS that runs on top that’s so mediocre and limiting. IpadOS is still designed for their intended audience of kindergarteners.
 
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Nice hardware upgrades with excellent new hardware, but it is still just an iPad using iPadOS for the cost (at the upper end) of a 15" MBA which has better specs and a much more usable OS. I have the M1 Pro 11" and 12.9" and cannot see any reason to upgrade. They certainly do not replace my laptops and for me I suspect my existing iPads will last until either I expire or they do. As I have said for the iPhone, iPads are fast enough (with the current apps and OS) but they need to be thinner (they are getting there), lighter (they are missing this target) and have a battery that lasts for ever (or at least a week, which they are nowhere near getting).

Iterative hardware but with a use case that is not justified for the price of the new Pro devices, is marginal for the Air and reasonable for the original iPad. Now let's see what the M4 can do in a decent system with an OS we can use.
 
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The iPad is, for me, a single-application device. I use it to control AV hardware, ForeFlight and occasionally, e-mail or playing a video.

The purpose, therefore, is to be fast and simple to use. My existing iPad is plenty fast, if old, and does not justify the Apple Tax on current models. The iPad seems terribly overpriced, and I find no reason to feed the beast.
Thats how it is for me. Right now, I have my 4th gen iPad Pro with magic keyboard that I got for $600 total 2 years ago being used for youtube...and that's it. I've tried to use it as a laptop and it just doesn't work.

The only reason I want a newer one is because of a minor crack on this one.
 
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I agree.
It was a very strange ad… but I guess that's the "new" Apple Inc.

That hydraulic press ad is absolutely awful. Demoralising. Horrifying

At a time of war and destruction, do we want to see all these symbols of human creativity and achievement crushed under the violence of mindless technology?

The meme is real: Steve Jobs would have never allowed this

Apple is finished
Horrifying? Really? It was the most creative thing of the whole event. LOL!

And I have to say, some of you guys are miserable.
 
So Apple is still releasing new M2 products. I’ve not heard news on this recently so forgive me if I’ve missed something on it. But - any fixes for the GoFetch vulnerability? Logically, only the M4s can be patched, but it'd reduce performance considerably
GoFetch is a hardware flaw that isn't patch-able, however it only impacts the performance cores. Apple could shift cryptographic work to run solely on the efficiency cores in an OS update and bypass the flaw.
 
Apple is coasting on past successes, and it ain't gonna last much longer.
Yup. Apple isn’t Steve Jobs’ company any more. No bold risky moves. They killed the Apple Car because Tim Cook couldn’t stop their in-fighting. Terrible management, honestly.
I think the only new intro since we lost Steve has been the vision glasses, and they are in need of many generations of updates.
 
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I use an iPad Pro as a laptop replacement. I didn't really plan it like that but the more and more I used my M1 iPad Pro, the more I realized I really didn't need to lug my laptop around. Hence not upgrading my 2016 MacBook Pro (with no plans to do so)

But if I were in the market. Even as someone who uses an iPad Pro as my main portable computer these days (Even for light video/photo editing), I cannot imagine paying $3,000 for it over a Mac. The OS still has too many shortcomings. For example; it would absolutely work perfectly fine for all of my photo and video editing; it's got more horsepower than my MacBook Pro. But the file system makes it too much of a pain to work with for the bulk of that work.

I'm sure someone will buy it (probably someone who has pockets deep enough not to have to choose between the two, and can have both). Certainly the lower spec ones are a great value. But wow, $3k fully loaded!

The lack of mmWave 5G is a bit frustrating. Apple always seems to be a bit behind on implementing cellular features. I also use my iPad on cellular data a lot; it's virtually always faster to use its built in cellular modem over hotel Wi-Fi or similar. And more speed is never a bad thing. Of course the number of places that have mmWave are limited but; I tend to own my iPads for a while so I would be frustrated to spend a bunch and not be 'future proofed'.

What are you even talking about? How was he dressed like a 14 year old headed for the skate park?

Did he accidentally watch a video of Mark Zuckerberg and get confused?

He's dressed like my grandpa. An untucked polo, neutral jeans, and a cardigan is hardly the peak of skater fashion...
 
When the iPads first came out I was thinking "Great, cool. When I find a use for it I'll get one." Years later, I'm still trying to find that use case.
Sometimes it's all about getting your own hands on th8ings and get a step back to have a look at the bigger picture.

I have had a similar situation with roon - why would anyone use roon instead of music from Apple.

Both seem to do the same but one is free and fully integrated in the eco-system and the other one seems cumbersome and most of all costs a fortune.

Only until I changed my perspective and had look at the bigger picture i recognized that the basically quite similar functions differ a lot and roon delivers a much better output, experience and a similar ecosystem with a few different tweaks that bring a lot of value - sso much value that I bought the lifetime license and I love it - best music software ever and far more suitable to listening to music than Apple Music - which is in comparison like walking instead of flying ;)

The iPad works for me in areas the LapTops cannot address and I am willing to pay more for less weight too and last but not least Sunday morning in a cafe or at a hotel in the morning this is the only device I am taking with me - plus it's extremely convenient in a plane - in general for traveling this is a must have class of devices.

In case you don't travel a lot it also makes a lot of sense at home e.g. in combination with roon to administrate music and videos.

Last but not least at work - much less obtrusive than an open laptop in a meeting and harder to read the display from far away.

I find more reasons for a tablet than any other electronic device in my life.
 
The iPad is, for me, a single-application device. I use it to control AV hardware, ForeFlight and occasionally, e-mail or playing a video.

The purpose, therefore, is to be fast and simple to use. My existing iPad is plenty fast, if old, and does not justify the Apple Tax on current models. The iPad seems terribly overpriced, and I chose not to feed the beast.
Seems like the now cheaper base iPad 10 is made for you.
 
It boggles the mind that Apple can't be bothered to support MacOS on the iPad Pro w/ the Magic Keyboard.

Why? It's pretty clear that Apple wants consumers to purchase multiple devices. It's a real shame because MacOS on these would be pretty incredible. Apple certainly isn't adverse to having a bazillion different products, so why not just make an iPad Pro Extreme edition with MacOS, charge an extra $700 for it and have done with it?

It seems that their past reluctance to hinder Macbook sales might not necessarily matter much anymore with how expensive iPads have become, I'm curious to what the actual sales figures would show and exactly how many consumers buy an expensive $2k+ iPad AND an expensive Macbook.
 
That hydraulic press ad is absolutely awful. Demoralising. Horrifying

At a time of war and destruction, do we want to see all these symbols of human creativity and achievement crushed under the violence of mindless technology?

The meme is real: Steve Jobs would have never allowed this

Apple is finished
Do you have a link to that ad? I missed it, but am also interested in overreacting.
 
...and that would work fine as long as the magic keyboard was attached so you could use the trackpad to move the MacOS pointer around. Problem is, full MacOS is a long way from being usable with a touch screen, so you'd need to switch back into "iPad OS" mode to use it handheld. You might get away with operating MacOS with a pencil.

That's not a fundamental problem, and it may even be the long-term goal - but it would need quite a bit of work to make MacOS touchscreen-friendly and even more work by application developers to offer both pointer- and touch-based UIs. When you get into the UI design there are a lot of subtle differences in the affordances of touch vs. pointer, and the original iOS vs. MacOS principle was that it was better to have two distinct products optimised for the different interface than one compromise. Bear in mind that one of the problems with the flop that was Windows 8 was it tried to be both a touchscreen and pointer OS (and that's not entirely solved with Windows 10/11).

It's a bit out of date now, but years ago I put my iPad in a keyboard case - and a few months later wondered why I wasn't using my iPad any more. It had turned a great handheld device into a rubbish laptop. Now, since then iPad OS has improved its keyboard & pointer support & the magic keyboard has acquired a trackpad so that's improved but I still think that if you want a laptop, a laptop is better.

...and, of course, you can pretty much get a MacBook Air and a non-pro iPad for the price of an iPad Pro and Magic Keyboard & use each of them for what it is best at - and Apple have been working on seamless inter operation between iPad and laptop/desktop. OK, you have to take two bottles into the shower ...but if you're old enough to get that reference you'll probably also remember carrying around the likes of the G3 Powerbook and 90s cellphones & not see carrying two modern thin-and-crispy devices as a chore.

I think the problem with the new range is that the iPads Pro sound cool (but spendy) but there's nothing particularly new and exciting about the more affordable models that are closer to the original iPad price point.

This isn't an problem which is that difficult to solve, at least with Apple's almost limitless resources. I use Win 10/11 on a daily basis in a touch based paradigm and have zero issues, and I specifically choose NOT to use Windows tablet mode. I never really understood the need for simplifying things to where they became more complicated, but then again I don't use my tablet one handed while standing on the subway and can see why that crowd likes the choice of either a big red button or a big green button UI/UX. Much of the issue is that MacOS is kind of not great from a UI/UX standpoint even with a mouse/keyboard/trackpad, but that may just be the decades of Windows use in me, I've just never found it particularly appealing or functional.

But if Apple is going to stick with iPadOS they should at least push the functionality more than they have. I think a prime example of this is user accounts, and of course, the file system.

PS I loved Windows 8, but they did go too far into the touch paradigm with it. What they are doing now is really great, making things still optimized for desktop but subtly improved for touch, works really well IMO.
 
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Nice hardware upgrades with excellent new hardware, but it is still just an iPad using iPadOS for the cost (at the upper end) of a 15" MBA which has better specs and a much more usable OS. I have the M1 Pro 11" and 12.9" and cannot see any reason to upgrade. They certainly do not replace my laptops and for me I suspect my existing iPads will last until either I expire or they do. As I have said for the iPhone, iPads are fast enough (with the current apps and OS) but they need to be thinner (they are getting there), lighter (they are missing this target) and have a battery that lasts for ever (or at least a week, which they are nowhere near getting).

Iterative hardware but with a use case that is not justified for the price of the new Pro devices, is marginal for the Air and reasonable for the original iPad. Now let's see what the M4 can do in a decent system with an OS we can use.

Thinner than the 5.1/5.3 mm of the IPP? I can totally understand weight, but I don't see what being so thin helps with. I'd rather see it thicker with some more battery life, although that certainly would mean more weight. Or maybe thicker with a kickstand, which would only add a tiny bit of weight and a couple of mm, but increase functionality significantly (still baffled how you all use a case-less, magic keyboard-less iPad without a kickstand).

Totally agree on not needing this AND a macbook unless you really need/want a touchscreen, then you run into the limitations of iPadOS. I have a feeling that more and more users who want a macbook AND an iPad are going to begin to be priced out, hopefully pushing Apple to consider a MacOS iPad in the future.
 
Yup. Apple isn’t Steve Jobs’ company any more. No bold risky moves. They killed the Apple Car because Tim Cook couldn’t stop their in-fighting. Terrible management, honestly.
I think the only new intro since we lost Steve has been the vision glasses, and they are in need of many generations of updates.
Ever heard of Apple Watch? AirPods? ATV+? Just asking...
 
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Do you have a link to that ad? I missed it, but am also interested in overreacting.
Horrifying? Really? It was the most creative thing of the whole event. LOL!

And I have to say, some of you guys are miserable.
Compare it with the famous 1984 ad
The new ad tells the opposite story: the screen has won. Humanity must surrender to the gray slab. All past creativity and invention must be crushed and reborn as one mighty brutalist solution. An ode to technofascism
 
This isn't an problem which is that difficult to solve, at least with Apple's almost limitless resources.
No, but it's still something that needs solving and good design work. It also needs support from third party developers which isn't so easy.

but then again I don't use my tablet one handed while standing on the subway and can see why that crowd likes the choice of either a big red button or a big green button UI/UX.
Well, yeah, that's the issue. I don't see the point of a tablet that you can't use one-handed when you need it, nor do I see the point of a laptop that doesn't run a full-blown desktop OS.
 
When the iPads first came out I was thinking "Great, cool. When I find a use for it I'll get one." Years later, I'm still trying to find that use case.
I have had a couple iterations of iPad over the years, and I agree. iPads are too limited to replace a computer, and too big to be portable instead of a phone. I have found iPhone and MBP to be the best combo year after year, especially as iPhones have gotten bigger.

Even with this recent refresh, Apple seems to focus iPad marketing on artists who want a digitized canvas, and not much else.
 
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