Everything Announced at Today's Apple Event

[jo-1]

The thing is, barely no one buys an iPad AND a Macbook anyway.

I own the M1 Max MBP 2021 and an iPad mini and the iPP 2018 and ordered yesterday the iPP 2024 - they all serve different purposes and make sense in their very own space.

I know quite a lot of people owning a Mac(Book) and an iPad - one works best with touch and the other one with mouse.

 

[MacBH928]

• The ipad hardware is more powerful than my MBP 2015, yet my my macbook 2015 is much more capable because of the software.
• The keyboard + pencil costs $430 😂😂

 

[MacBH928]

thats the best sponsor injection I have seen on the interweb

 

[John_Blackthorne]

Dear Tim Cook,

You are the CEO of a gazillion dollar company.

You are a billionaire.

You are also in your 60's.

Why do you continue to dress like you're a 14 year old headed for the skate park?

 

[dbwie]

It boggles the mind that Apple can't be bothered to support MacOS on the iPad Pro w/ the Magic Keyboard.

I agree. I do hope it happens. I would have preferred that Apple share some features of the new iPadOS with this announcement rather than wait for next month. At least talk about stage manager updates, hopefully they will offer that at least. The software seems far behind the hardware for iPad at this point. The AI stuff can wait a month.

 

[tomchr9]

Interesting iPad Pro. It is great that Apple did not equip the iPad Pro with a notch or Dynamic Island. I am looking forward to seeing and handling it in person.

However, I look at this as having 1st gen tech in some ways, i.e. the tandem OLED screen, and I prefer to wait another generation for the flaws to surface, and eventually be ironed out.

Bummed about the removal of the ultra-wide camera, storage vs M4 chips and downgraded 5G and and microphone removal.

In any case, I will not buy ANY new Apple products until they make iOS more capable.

 

[jo-1]

Interesting iPad Pro.

indeed!

It is great that Apple did not equip the iPad Pro with a notch or Dynamic Island. I am looking forward to seeing and handling it in person.

Me too - will get my hands on mine as early as next Wednesday

However, I look at this as having 1st gen tech in some ways, i.e. the tandem OLED screen, and I prefer to wait another generation for the flaws to surface, and eventually be ironed out.

It's by no way a 1st gen in terms of hardware in any perceivable way other than the enhanced 3 nm cluster node from TSMC - which is a direct successor to the first gen 3 nm chip design they did previously e.g. in the M3
OLEDs have been on the market for a decade in huge volumes and having two of them stacked doesn't bring any further complexity other than the assembly process - which should be manageable.

Bummed about the removal of the ultra-wide camera, storage vs M4 chips and downgraded 5G and and microphone removal.

agreed - you can now only speak to 4 instead of 5 microphones and can't photography documents in ultra wie angle with 5 cm distance to capture everything. And we do not have mm wave 5G in Europe too - I guess limiting to some 1 Gbit/second can be perceived as a huge downgrade in areas where you'd have under best conditions probably 1.2 Gbit/second

In any case, I will not buy ANY new Apple products until they make iOS more capable.

So be it!

I bought two - one for my spouse and one for me

edit - just had a look at the iPhone 15 technical data and they had already 2000 nits in HDR - very likely that the OLED in the iPhones are already secretly tandem OLEDs - thus even that should already be a proven technology.

 

[nikaru]

The iPad is now so powerful and versatile that we are not far away from seeing OSX and iPadOS being merged together. In my mind, this is the next big transition for Apple. Really don't see the point of having two different operating systems running on basically the same hardware/architecture. I strongly believe that even today, 90% of Macbook users can replace their device completely with an iPad and never look back. With a couple of more iPadOS updates, this % will go even higher. I can even get further and say that Macbook in its current state and form will one day just disappear. For me, it's obvious.

 

[jo-1]

The iPad is now so powerful and versatile that we are not far away from seeing OSX and iPadOS being merged together. In my mind, this is the next big transition for Apple. Really don't see the point of having two different operating systems running on basically the same hardware/architecture. I can even get further and say that Macbook in its current state and form will one day just disappear.

both the iPad and the MacBook will disappear at some point in time and they will be replaced with spatial computing

 

[fourthtunz]

No issues here.

Probably just the older gear that I have I was trying to get the iPad Pro to connect to a QSC mixer. I had to switch back to my iPad Air for get it to work.

 

[Cwoods]

I know it’s not that big a deal but I’m truly disappointed the new iPads don’t have MagSafe.

 

[nikaru]

And now Air is heavier than Pro 🙄

I think their marketing department didn't get the memo on product dimensions and weights...

They are the wrong way round Apple.. you should have thinned the Air and Bulked the Pro 😆

The iPad Air name was stupid from the beginning. The "Air" naming scheme only made sense for the first generation Macbook Air. I guess Apple needed a name for the device that sits in the middle between the best and most expensive iPad and the budget iPad. Get prepared for this thin iPhone Air later this year, its coming!

 

[Liquid Galaxy]

As nice as it is, personally I can't justify the cost. My 2020 iPP is still completely fine for what I use it for now. My workhorse is now my MacBook Pro, however had I still been using the iPP for video editing etc. I likely would have upgraded. That M4 sounds super slick.

 

[jo-1]

As nice as it is, personally I can't justify the cost. My 2020 iPP is still completely fine for what I use it for now. My workhorse is now my MacBook Pro, however had I still been using the iPP for video editing etc. I likely would have upgraded. That M4 sounds super slick.

I did not upgrade since the iPP 2018 since I did not see any need for it with my use case either - that's the first upgrade to write home about in six years IMHO

 

[InnSuu]

"iPad Nano"?!

 

[rustygh]

The question on everyone's mind:

Did the finally add a g*****n Calculator?

bro still can't afford $10 usd for PCalc 🤣

 

[theluggage]

It boggles the mind that Apple can't be bothered to support MacOS on the iPad Pro w/ the Magic Keyboard.

...and that would work fine as long as the magic keyboard was attached so you could use the trackpad to move the MacOS pointer around. Problem is, full MacOS is a long way from being usable with a touch screen, so you'd need to switch back into "iPad OS" mode to use it handheld. You might get away with operating MacOS with a pencil.

That's not a fundamental problem, and it may even be the long-term goal - but it would need quite a bit of work to make MacOS touchscreen-friendly and even more work by application developers to offer both pointer- and touch-based UIs. When you get into the UI design there are a lot of subtle differences in the affordances of touch vs. pointer, and the original iOS vs. MacOS principle was that it was better to have two distinct products optimised for the different interface than one compromise. Bear in mind that one of the problems with the flop that was Windows 8 was it tried to be both a touchscreen and pointer OS (and that's not entirely solved with Windows 10/11).

It's a bit out of date now, but years ago I put my iPad in a keyboard case - and a few months later wondered why I wasn't using my iPad any more. It had turned a great handheld device into a rubbish laptop. Now, since then iPad OS has improved its keyboard & pointer support & the magic keyboard has acquired a trackpad so that's improved but I still think that if you want a laptop, a laptop is better.

...and, of course, you can pretty much get a MacBook Air and a non-pro iPad for the price of an iPad Pro and Magic Keyboard & use each of them for what it is best at - and Apple have been working on seamless inter operation between iPad and laptop/desktop. OK, you have to take two bottles into the shower ...but if you're old enough to get that reference you'll probably also remember carrying around the likes of the G3 Powerbook and 90s cellphones & not see carrying two modern thin-and-crispy devices as a chore.

I think the problem with the new range is that the iPads Pro sound cool (but spendy) but there's nothing particularly new and exciting about the more affordable models that are closer to the original iPad price point.

 

[rustygh]

I agree. I'm thinking of switching to Android and Windows now that Google promises updates for 8 years.

I use them all, spent way more time on Windows 11 registry hacks then tweaks on Mac OS

 

[bodhisattva]

The question on everyone's mind:

Did the finally add a g*****n Calculator?

That's a software update likely coming in the next OS. Nothing to do with a hardware release/announcement. I suspect that will be announced at WWDC.

 

[dbwie]

Who actually pays full price for these iPads? I traded in my old iPad so the Magic Keyboard is essentially free for me. This "trade-in and recycle" stuff from Apple is pretty brilliant from their perspective, keeps me on their hamster wheel too, but does lower the sticker shock as this new iPad will have trade-in or resale value even 5 years from now. And Apple Card monthly payments, also makes the big purchase more tempting. They have really thought it through, which is why they have trillions, and I have... much less. LOL.

 

[bodhisattva]

Seems like everyone wanting a tablet is wanting more of a tablet. Everyone here wanting a laptop wants it to be more like their laptop. I have developed (and taught development for years) and one message I relay to students often is to pick the tool that does the best job. That is precisely why I still read from a Kindle or a physical book. No laptop, tablet or phone has been able to replace that tactile feel, or the liquid ink text that Amazon has perfected. Same is true with my intense 3D or video editing, a pro system simply blows away a base model (whether that be a MBP versus Air, or a Studio versus a mini). When I need high end 3D or video, I sit down with my fully spec'd Studio or Mac Pro (technically could with the MBP as well now with M3). When I just want to work on spreadsheets or catch up on email, light editing, photoshop, some design, etc. I may grab my MBP and head to the coffee shop. If I want to watch YouTube, work on my novel, or any random assortment of quick simple tasks my goto is my iPad. I can use pencil to sketch ideas, do something creative, play some games, or any myriad of smaller tasks. I simply choose the right tool for the right job. I get it, it's expensive to say you are going to invest in all devices, and would rather have a once-size-fits-all foldable tablet that has cellular, MacOS, tons of RAM, tons of SSD space, teleportation ability, a smart pencil that already knows what I want to write, etc... reality is, the closer these devices get to that magic/do-all device, the price reflects those changes. Hence my order that cost me $3500 and some change yesterday for this new iPad and all the goodies. Just updating my tools to do the work I like to do, how I like to do it, and on which device I want to do it on. I move to more capable devices as soon as the need surpasses the device I'm on. And for the record, I'd never attempt this post on my Kindle Scribe... just not the right tool

 

[StuBeck]

The M4 is a nice touch.
These iPads are way too expensive for me to justify the cost. I guess I'll keep my original iPad Pro for a while longer.

I'm wondering what the used market looks like. I only have an iPad Pro because I wanted the bigger screen, and bought my 2nd and 4th gen at deep discounts. They just undercut that market by $400 new, and with M1 12.9 iPad Pros being around the 500-600 price point a few weeks ago, I'm expecting we will see them get cut a bit more.

 

[StuBeck]

Dear Tim Cook,

You are the CEO of a gazillion dollar company.

You are a billionaire.

You are also in your 60's.

Why do you continue to dress like you're a 14 year old headed for the skate park?

He doesn't dress himself. He has a team of individuals do it. Its also why he refused to learn how humans wave a flag for the US Grand Prix a few years back, his team thought that's how they do it.

 

[darngooddesign]

Dear Tim Cook,

You are the CEO of a gazillion dollar company.

You are a billionaire.

You are also in your 60's.

Why do you continue to dress like you're a 14 year old headed for the skate park?

 

[0339327]

I'm wondering what the used market looks like. I only have an iPad Pro because I wanted the bigger screen, and bought my 2nd and 4th gen at deep discounts. They just undercut that market by $400 new, and with M1 12.9 iPad Pros being around the 500-600 price point a few weeks ago, I'm expecting we will see them get cut a bit more.

The iPad is, for me, a single-application device. I use it to control AV hardware, ForeFlight and occasionally, e-mail or playing a video.

The purpose, therefore, is to be fast and simple to use. My existing iPad is plenty fast, if old, and does not justify the Apple Tax on current models. The iPad seems terribly overpriced, and I chose not to feed the beast.