That's great news. I was going to do the same but couldn't place a pre-order as the Google store was falling down.
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How about the brightness and colour uniformity?
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How is the build quality - fit & finish?
How about the brightness and colour uniformity?
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iPhone X and XS which i didn’t have issues are at 240hz
iPhone 12 that made me sick at 226hz….. 20hz almost is not of a huge difference correct ? I don’t know what’s going on with our eyes guys…. maybe it has to do also with displays between Samsung and LG ?
So I should have tried 12 pro last year which is at 277hz and theoretically 13 pro which is above 500 should be fine.
There are other factors: amplitude, frequency, phase, width or position. Each one of the OLED phones has different PWM characteristics making it very difficult to work out which modulation rate will work for you by just looking at the highest recorded figure.
Exactly! You can see differences in the graphs NotebookCheck have, although I’m not sure if they’re controlling for other factors such as brightness, True Tone etc.
Just within the 13 series alone, my experience ranges from totally fine to nausea-inducing. You’d expect them to be the same, right? At least between the Pro models or non-Pro models.
I’m going to wait a couple of days before posting a ‘PWM review’ of sorts of my new 13 Pro. I’ve got lots to say about it and it’s all super positive so far.
I’m still in disbelief that it’s so different to the 13 Pro Max, but I tried two of them a month apart with the same symptoms.
The only problem I immediately notice with the Google Pixel 6 Pro is Android.
I have everything from Apple, and everything works so smoothly and easily together.
One day Android, and I'm just swearing,i can never leave Apple, whose system is just so straightforward to work together. Fortunately, I can handle the iPhone 12 Pro and continue to use it. The Google Pixel 6 Pro comes out again. The main reason for this is Android. The Pixel 6 Pro is of good quality, but does not come close to my iPhone 12 Pro.
I have everything from Apple, and everything works so smoothly and easily together.
One day Android, and I'm just swearing,i can never leave Apple, whose system is just so straightforward to work together. Fortunately, I can handle the iPhone 12 Pro and continue to use it. The Google Pixel 6 Pro comes out again. The main reason for this is Android. The Pixel 6 Pro is of good quality, but does not come close to my iPhone 12 Pro.
The only problem I immediately notice with the Google Pixel 6 Pro is Android.
I have everything from Apple, and everything works so smoothly and easily together.
One day Android, and I'm just swearing,i can never leave Apple, whose system is just so straightforward to work together. Fortunately, I can handle the iPhone 12 Pro and continue to use it. The Google Pixel 6 Pro comes out again. The main reason for this is Android. The Pixel 6 Pro is of good quality, but does not come close to my iPhone 12 Pro.
I’ve tried Android a few times and couldn’t get on with it, especially when it comes to photos and system integration.
That’s why I was so determined to find an iPhone that was compatible with me!
That said, Android 12 looks like a big step in the right direction. I know you’ve not had it long, but how’s the battery life so far? I was the MKBHD review and the numbers he’s getting are rather disappointing.
@RobinYerbank
The battery is really bad. After a morning of use, only 81% are left. With the iPhone 12 Pro, I still have 92-95% battery after one morning at least with the same use. As far as system integration is concerned, Apple is number 1. AirDrop alone is so sensationally simple and works. In combination with macOS, iOS is unbeatable. In addition, my wife also has macOS and we forward files with AirDrop in the office. This is so easy!
As for the iPhone 13 series, I read somewhere here that the PWM curve is catastrophic. The frequency is high, but the curve is said to be miserable. I only got through the 13 Pro, and after 2 weeks I felt really bad. I am still relatively satisfied with the iPhone 12 Pro.
I hope my English will be understood well as I work with google translate.
I can speak a little bit English, but it's easier that way.
The battery is really bad. After a morning of use, only 81% are left. With the iPhone 12 Pro, I still have 92-95% battery after one morning at least with the same use. As far as system integration is concerned, Apple is number 1. AirDrop alone is so sensationally simple and works. In combination with macOS, iOS is unbeatable. In addition, my wife also has macOS and we forward files with AirDrop in the office. This is so easy!
As for the iPhone 13 series, I read somewhere here that the PWM curve is catastrophic. The frequency is high, but the curve is said to be miserable. I only got through the 13 Pro, and after 2 weeks I felt really bad. I am still relatively satisfied with the iPhone 12 Pro.
I hope my English will be understood well as I work with google translate.
I can speak a little bit English, but it's easier that way.
Your eyes may have gotten used to only being exposed to artificial light.
I'd strive to sleep 4 hrs before solar midnight and wake up 4 hrs after solar midnight and expose yourself to natural sunlight
You know you’ve replied to the OP of this thread from 2017, right? 😂
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts so far. I agree with everything you said.
Also, I had no idea you’re using Google Translate! Your posts have been easy to understand so far.
@RobinYerbank
Here is the Text from the other Thread:
Whoever says 480Hz PWM on iPhone 13 series is better/improved over 12 Pro is UTTERLY WRONG.
The negative impact of low-freq PWM doesn't only correlate with the frequency but also (as pointed out above) with pulsation coefficient and modulation. iPhone 13 Pro/Max is terrible at both for ALL brightness due to the nature of LPTO.
To dive a bit deeper, iPhone 12 Pro/Max uses DC-like dimming above 25% brightness so that even though there is still PWM, the pulsation coefficient and modulation (<20%) are within the safe range. Below 25% brightness yes it's terrible 240Hz but it can be overcome by setting higher brightness & reducing white points.
On the other hand, iPhone 13 Pro/Max uses 480Hz PWm at ALL brightness with modulation close to 100% so it's in the high risk zone following IEEE PAR 1789 guidelines for low risk (http://www.bio-licht.org/02_resources/info_ieee_2015_standards-1789.pdf) - Figure 18 on page 29.
(Testing video on a Chinese website, no need to read any text: https://is.gd/hLaKm7)
Supposedly iPhone 13/mini should use the same panel as 12 Pro/Max to benefit from the DC-like dimming but from test result - Nope to save cost Apple doesn't do it.
Unfortunately there is no way a user can do about it unlike iPhone 12 Pro/Max. For me personally I am going to return the iPhone 13 Pro which caused discomfort right after 10min of usage and keep my iPhone 12 Pro for the eye comfort (and probably lighter weight)
Here is the Text from the other Thread:
Whoever says 480Hz PWM on iPhone 13 series is better/improved over 12 Pro is UTTERLY WRONG.
The negative impact of low-freq PWM doesn't only correlate with the frequency but also (as pointed out above) with pulsation coefficient and modulation. iPhone 13 Pro/Max is terrible at both for ALL brightness due to the nature of LPTO.
To dive a bit deeper, iPhone 12 Pro/Max uses DC-like dimming above 25% brightness so that even though there is still PWM, the pulsation coefficient and modulation (<20%) are within the safe range. Below 25% brightness yes it's terrible 240Hz but it can be overcome by setting higher brightness & reducing white points.
On the other hand, iPhone 13 Pro/Max uses 480Hz PWm at ALL brightness with modulation close to 100% so it's in the high risk zone following IEEE PAR 1789 guidelines for low risk (http://www.bio-licht.org/02_resources/info_ieee_2015_standards-1789.pdf) - Figure 18 on page 29.
(Testing video on a Chinese website, no need to read any text: https://is.gd/hLaKm7)
Supposedly iPhone 13/mini should use the same panel as 12 Pro/Max to benefit from the DC-like dimming but from test result - Nope to save cost Apple doesn't do it.
Unfortunately there is no way a user can do about it unlike iPhone 12 Pro/Max. For me personally I am going to return the iPhone 13 Pro which caused discomfort right after 10min of usage and keep my iPhone 12 Pro for the eye comfort (and probably lighter weight)
I'm sure he's lonely from not being replied to the same post for the past 4 years
Meh - my iphone 13 order was still live so I cancelled it. After spending an hour reading all the PWM threads to remind myself that I just can't do current OLED on phones, it felt stupid to push myself into what would likely be another headache and a return to store.
Sigh, will keep spamming the refurbished store for an SG 8 Plus or the PWM results for the Pixel 6.
Sigh, will keep spamming the refurbished store for an SG 8 Plus or the PWM results for the Pixel 6.
That's interesting, I wonder what's different about their PWM implementation compared to Apple. Still having no eye issues?
I've been thinking about switching when my 8+ eventually kicks it and I have no iOS options left, the Pixel definitely looks like a good option if the PWM is acceptable.
@TDDM
Today I had a little pain in my eyes. Since I don't like Android at all. Apple devices simply work better together. For me, the Android adventure is over after a very short time. I will now be using the iPhone 12 Pro until next year and hope for the iPhone 14 Pro. The iPhone 12 Pro is bearable and usable for me.
Today I had a little pain in my eyes. Since I don't like Android at all. Apple devices simply work better together. For me, the Android adventure is over after a very short time. I will now be using the iPhone 12 Pro until next year and hope for the iPhone 14 Pro. The iPhone 12 Pro is bearable and usable for me.
If i compare all 13 reviews on Notebookcheck the 13 non pro seems the best option.
''At the lowest brightness setting, the display exhibits a flickering that is indicative of PWM being used to regulate the display's brightness. However, just slightly increasing the brightness makes the flickering disappear. Regardless, we recommend sensitive users to take a look at the display before buying.''
the 13pro, pro max and mini have a worse pwm rate and notebookcheck doesn't state that the flicker is disappearing after a slight increase in brightness.
| Screen flickering / PWM detected | 609.8 Hz |
''At the lowest brightness setting, the display exhibits a flickering that is indicative of PWM being used to regulate the display's brightness. However, just slightly increasing the brightness makes the flickering disappear. Regardless, we recommend sensitive users to take a look at the display before buying.''
the 13pro, pro max and mini have a worse pwm rate and notebookcheck doesn't state that the flicker is disappearing after a slight increase in brightness.
That's what I had concluded but you can clearly see it flickering rapidly on reviewers videos, like zollotech for example. If a camera is picking this up on standard video speed then for sure my eyes are going to pick up on it. Notebookcheck don't really give a thorough write up for the PWM section to really draw any real understanding on the figures they report.
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Okay so mini ownership one week in. I do get eye pain every now and then… but not debilitatingly so.
I didn’t have much pleasure with the 11 screen, either. so, suffer a little bit with this absolutely fantastic little phone it shall be.
?♂️ Hope it’s okay long term. At least I don’t feel like I’m going blind like I did with the 11.
I didn’t have much pleasure with the 11 screen, either. so, suffer a little bit with this absolutely fantastic little phone it shall be.
?♂️ Hope it’s okay long term. At least I don’t feel like I’m going blind like I did with the 11.