@RobinYerbank are you sure that you won't buy another 13pro or mini tomorrow to try?
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Are you a fortune teller?
I can only say that in my very limited time with the regular Pro and the Max, the Max had a clear impact on my eyes as opposed to the Pro.Do we think the Pro in particular is better than the other models? I'm not sure I trust the claims that it has 'DC dimming'.
It's the only model I haven't tried, but I've already given up hope! I've got three boxed iPhones on my desk right now waiting to go back and I hate all of them.
I am trying to get into another Pro for one last try. The reason I elect not to do a test mule is that while I’m ‘near’ 12 Apple Stores, they are all an hour+ drive one way. I want to take one shot and be done. I’m actually contemplating the 1TB now because given how phone to phone, screen to screen, and iteration to iteration all seem to affect differently……if I find one that works for me I may be holding onto it for yearssssss.
I have a Pro (regular size) on order, but I won't get it until December! Fun times. Hopefully by then we will have a larger return window for the holiday season, so I can really test-drive that puppy.
I’m also considering trying out the 13 Pro. Already tried and returned the non-pro 13 and the 13 PM. Both make my temples feel like they‘re being squeezed. Not sure if anything will be different with the 13 Pro; but it’s worth a try. I love my four years old 8 Plus, but I just want a new phone!
BAM here you go again
Yes i am a fortune teller. One more thing i can tell you is that i am pretty sure you can tolerate this specific 13 pro soon. i will give you a few tips:- Don't constantly look at the screen, and don't play to much with it.
- If you feel any pain, just let it be there and start doing something else. (ready a book, watching tv, get out for a walk)
- Give your body time to adjust! don't get stressed out if you feel a headache in the first days or weeks. you will get used and get over this!
And yes.... i know it's not as easy as i am telling here but i give Robin some extra power, she is the most persistent iPhone buyer the forum knows
May a bit of luck be with you!BAM here you go again
- Don't constantly look at the screen, and don't play to much with it.
- If you feel any pain, just let it be there and start doing something else. (ready a book, watching tv, get out for a walk)
- Give your body time to adjust! don't get stressed out if you feel a headache in the first days or weeks. you will get used and get over this!
And yes.... i know it's not as easy as i am telling here but i give Robin some extra power, she is the most persistent iPhone buyer the forum knows
I'm not getting my hopes up just yet, but I'm finally at home and setting it up... it went into dark mode when it signed in and started restoring and so far... no discomfort! I can immediately tell it's a lot easier on my eyes than the 13 Pro Max was. No idea why these displays are different, but the way they 'feel' certainly correlates with NotebookCheck's findings.
I'll report back once it's updated and restored and I've had some time to play with it.
Dimitri, you might not just be a fortune teller, but a wizard as well.
I will certainly keep your tips in mind. I agree that I should give myself time to adjust, but initial impressions are already looking good!Keeping my fingers crossed and hoping it works out for you! 🤞🏾I'm not getting my hopes up just yet, but I'm finally at home and setting it up... it went into dark mode when it signed in and started restoring and so far... no discomfort! I can immediately tell it's a lot easier on my eyes than the 13 Pro Max was. No idea why these displays are different, but the way they 'feel' certainly correlates with NotebookCheck's findings.
I'll report back once it's updated and restored and I've had some time to play with it.
Dimitri, you might not just be a fortune teller, but a wizard as well.
I have a question for my PWM family. My daughter turns 14 tomorrow and her 7 Plus is on it’s last leg. It’s a disaster honestly. I want to get her a new phone. The price per month difference between a 128gb 11 and 128gb 13 is only $10. Do I let my own issues play into this and get her an 11? Or do I assume she’ll be fine like 90% of the population (guessing at that percentage) and get her the 13?
Personally, I'd say go with the 13 and presume she'll be okay, but maybe keep an eye on how she gets on with it. Check if she has any eye strain or anything after a week or so.
Most people have no issues and I'd say it's definitely worth getting the 13 over the 11, if possible. It's a much better phone and will last longer.
Yup, That's is why the phones looks fine at the apple store, but when you arrive home and turn it on at night. Boom you feel it in your eyes lol.
That’s exactly how I feel with the mini. I’m not letting any discomfort bug me as it goes away after I stop looking at the screenBAM here you go again
- Don't constantly look at the screen, and don't play to much with it.
- If you feel any pain, just let it be there and start doing something else. (ready a book, watching tv, get out for a walk)
- Give your body time to adjust! don't get stressed out if you feel a headache in the first days or weeks. you will get used and get over this!
And yes.... i know it's not as easy as i am telling here but i give Robin some extra power, she is the most persistent iPhone buyer the forum knows
assume she’s fine like 90% of population. Imagine all the damaging things we did as teenagers and turned out okay. She’ll be fine.
Get her a genuine Apple refurbished iPhone 8 Plus. Nobody knows the long term health consequences of staring into a strobe light 8 hours a day for years.
The screen on the 11 is a downgrade from the 7 Plus
Come on man, I love my 11 lol!!
Mmmm...the 13 Mini and 13 Pro did me in so I'm thinking I should just cancel the 13 now as it's likely the same scenario and I'm so bored of making the returns trip to my local Apple store. 🤦♂️
HOLY ****, GUYS! I don't know if you're allowed to swear on this site, but I sure want to right now.
This 13 Pro... I think it's the one! I've been using it for the last few hours doing all my usual stuff, in evening lighting and for a while with the lights off, various brightness levels, (auto) dark mode on the whole time.
I've browsed Reddit with Apollo, this forum, used Messages, signed into all my apps, looked at photos and played loads of Tuscany Villa. No issues at all!
It genuinely feels about the same as my 11 or my PC monitor. My eyes feel fine, apart from being a little tired as they usually are at the end of a long day. No nausea, no pain or urge to rub my eyes. I honestly can't believe it. It's still bizarre as heck to me that all four iPhones in this series are slightly different, but it seems to me that the 13 Pro is by far the most eye-friendly. I find it particularly silly that the 13 Pro Max is so much worse.
Not only is it really easy on my eyes, the display has superb uniformity and overall image quality. Way more vibrant and even-looking than that awful 13 Pro Max I just returned. Although I need to see how I'm doing after a few days, this is super promising. This might be the phone that gets buried with me.
As we've learnt from this thread, we all have individual experiences with PWM, but I definitely think the 13 Pro is worth a shot out of all the new models.
I'll continue to provide updates in the coming days. For now, I present you with some light entertainment. I've attached photos of all the iPhones I've tried over the last month. See if you can identify them all! I feel a little bad for opening and trying so many units... however, they've all been utterly babied and returned in immaculate condition.
This 13 Pro... I think it's the one! I've been using it for the last few hours doing all my usual stuff, in evening lighting and for a while with the lights off, various brightness levels, (auto) dark mode on the whole time.
I've browsed Reddit with Apollo, this forum, used Messages, signed into all my apps, looked at photos and played loads of Tuscany Villa. No issues at all!
It genuinely feels about the same as my 11 or my PC monitor. My eyes feel fine, apart from being a little tired as they usually are at the end of a long day. No nausea, no pain or urge to rub my eyes. I honestly can't believe it. It's still bizarre as heck to me that all four iPhones in this series are slightly different, but it seems to me that the 13 Pro is by far the most eye-friendly. I find it particularly silly that the 13 Pro Max is so much worse.
Not only is it really easy on my eyes, the display has superb uniformity and overall image quality. Way more vibrant and even-looking than that awful 13 Pro Max I just returned. Although I need to see how I'm doing after a few days, this is super promising. This might be the phone that gets buried with me.
As we've learnt from this thread, we all have individual experiences with PWM, but I definitely think the 13 Pro is worth a shot out of all the new models.
I'll continue to provide updates in the coming days. For now, I present you with some light entertainment. I've attached photos of all the iPhones I've tried over the last month. See if you can identify them all! I feel a little bad for opening and trying so many units... however, they've all been utterly babied and returned in immaculate condition.
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People stared at the old CRT monitors (CRT? Whatever the the strobing monitors were) and those are doing alright I think. I haven’t read any big news stories about them. If you have though please let me know.
Staring at a phone for 8 hours is a bit of hyperbole, don’t you think? :/
But your point is valid… there’s no long term affects of OLED PWM. There could also be “no” long term affects, either, as a possibility.
You’ve been blessed by the Apple Fairy 🤣HOLY ****, GUYS! I don't know if you're allowed to swear on this site, but I sure want to right now.
This 13 Pro... I think it's the one! I've been using it for the last few hours doing all my usual stuff, in evening lightning and for a while with the lights off, various brightness levels, (auto) dark mode on the whole time.
I've browsed Reddit with Apollo, this forum, used Messages, signed into all my apps, looked at photos and played loads of Tuscany Villa. No issues at all!
It genuinely feels about the same as my 11 or my PC monitor. My eyes feel fine, apart from being a little tired as they usually are at the end of a long day. No nausea, no pain or urge to rub my eyes. I honestly can't believe it. It's still bizarre as heck to me that all four iPhones in this series are slightly different, but it seems to me that the 13 Pro is by far the most eye-friendly. I find it particularly silly that the 13 Pro Max is so much worse.
Not only is it really easy on my eyes, the display has superb uniformity and overall image quality. Way more vibrant and even-looking than that awful 13 Pro Max I just returned. Although I need to see how I'm doing after a few days, this is super promising. This might be the phone that gets buried with me.
As we've learnt from this thread, we all have individual experiences with PWM, but I definitely think the 13 Pro is worth a shot out of all the new models.
I'll continue to provide updates in the coming days. For now, I present you with some light entertainment. I've attached photos of all the iPhones I've tried over the last month. See if you can identify them all! I feel a little bad for opening and trying so many units... however, they've all been utterly babied and returned in immaculate condition.
Hooray!!!
It’s only been a day. Bets are still off whether she’ll be able to use it comfortably a week from. (but I hope she can).
Looks promising I also consider to try the 13 Pro after i had no luck with the 13 Pro Max after the results from Notebookcheck. When i try it in the Store it doesn‘t seems to bother my eyes after around 20 min in use. From the 13 i feel some discomfort after 10-15 min. It looks like the 13 Pro could be my best option for the 13 series.
I also consider to try the 13 Pro after i had no luck with the 13 Pro Max after the results from Notebookcheck. When i try it in the Store it doesn‘t seems to bother my eyes after around 20 min in use. From the 13 i feel some discomfort after 10-15 min. It looks like the 13 Pro could be my best option for the 13 series.
I think you should go with the 11. Even though 90 percent of the people do not manifest the symptoms caused by PWM, it doesn’t mean that the flicker is not there, it only means that those 90 percent tolerate the flicker. In my opinion, it will be a matter of time before people would be affected with the flicker in long term even if the short term symptoms are not apparent. OLED as a screen tech should not have been there in the mass market. It has more negatives than positives. The only positive is the deeper black. That’s about it. Otherwise, LCDs are far pleasing to the eyes with accurate colours.
So, please do your daughter a favour, buy her an 11 with a colour of her choice. It’s a great phone. The cameras on it are still top notch. And you would save yourself some money.
Take your daughter to the Apple store and let her play with the iPhone 13 models for 30 to 45 mins and see if she has any discomfort using the phone. If nothing else you do have a 14 day return window.
I've had the Pixel 6 Pro since yesterday. I wanted to try something different after 6 years of Apple and the PWM problems. What can I say that Pixel 6 Pro doesn't give me any problems. The display is just perfect. It's beautiful and PWM doesn't bother me at all.
My problems with OLED iPhones started with iPhone 12. I remember back then that with X and XS i didn’t have nausea or headaches…. i only remember that with XS my eyes were getting a little bit more tired compared to the LCDs iPhones….. but not major issues. So i ll give 13 pro a try….. with iPhone 12 i got small headache at the first 20 minutes of use and after putting it down then i experienced nausea. iPhone X for example never bothered me….. do we have PWM metrics for that phone?….. I am just curious.