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I gotta be completely honest and I know this won't be a popular opinion, but it is only that, an opinion. There is not an ounce of me that believes Apple is purposely making any adjustments to assist the PWM sensitive. I fully believe any improvement has been incidental due to other changes they are making to the panels for other reasons. If it was truly due to feedback, they would fix it completely vs bird feeding tiny incremental improvements.
My opinion is that they’re doing what they can. Seeing that they did change the overall implementation the new Display Engine advertised at the keynote was in reference to PWM.

For whatever reason the most they could do was raise the rates to 510-610Hz. Their priority is color accuracy first and foremost. They weren’t able to do so on iPhone 13 Pro Max likely since they couldn’t maintain the same panel quality. Otherwise they wouldn’t have bothered to increase the rates when other manufacturers aren’t. I could speculate that it’s difficult to achieve 1000Hz+ on an OLED panel and maintain color accuracy, or that a PWM-free approach would use too much power and affect longevity.

As noted the 60Hz rate at lower brightness levels works better than the more drastic PWM they used to have. That being said numerous times I have the display at 38% now and while it’s slightly bright for indoor use I am fairly confident if I kept this phone I’d be able to use it with minor compromises.
 
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I tried the 12, but no luck. So now I'm on the iPhone 11, but I still notice it's vaguely uncomfortable to read sometimes. Anyone else experience any discomfort with their eyes? I can't tell if I'm actually having issues or if it's just me imagining things (or if the 13 Pro/12 permanently ****ed my eyes up).
 
I tried the 12, but no luck. So now I'm on the iPhone 11, but I still notice it's vaguely uncomfortable to read sometimes. Anyone else experience any discomfort with their eyes? I can't tell if I'm actually having issues or if it's just me imagining things (or if the 13 Pro/12 permanently ****ed my eyes up).
I had a problem with the 11 too. I put it on low power mode all the time, and it seemed to help. I could look at screen for long periods of time.
 
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I tried the 12, but no luck. So now I'm on the iPhone 11, but I still notice it's vaguely uncomfortable to read sometimes. Anyone else experience any discomfort with their eyes? I can't tell if I'm actually having issues or if it's just me imagining things (or if the 13 Pro/12 permanently ****ed my eyes up).
While the 11 has a large screen it's resolution is only 828p which can make text look fuzzy. I found coming from a 1080p iphone that the text just wasn't sharp enough which caused me some eye strain. Also the LCD display is using temporal dithering. Credit to TDDM:

"Temporal dithering (FRC – Frame Rate Control)
FRC (Frame Rate Control) or temporal dithering, as explored by Lagom, describes rapid alternation between a very slightly lighter and very slightly darker variant of a given shade. This is done where the shade itself can’t be displayed, for example if the monitor does not have the necessary bit-depth to display that shade. The GPU may also add its own dithering stage, so even if a monitor is free from dithering (e.g. ‘true 8-bit’ rather than 6-bit + 2-bit FRC) there may be some dithering visible. It is therefore very difficult to achieve a viewing experience entirely free from dithering, but it’s certainly minimised if the monitor itself doesn’t use dithering. This can be thought of as a form of flickering, although it is very different to the flickering you get from PWM whereby there are extreme brightness changes of the entire backlight. This is a minute luminance change that affects certain shades, so most users will not find this problematic even if they are sensitive to PWM usage. Some users still take issue with dithering usage and prefer that it is taken out of the equation, or at least minimised".
 
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I think even more important than color accuracy is cost/profit. I am 100% sure that it is possible to make a complete flicker, FRC and dithering free display but it comes at a cost, and the current manufacturers are not willing to go there. I think in 5 to 10 years the world will laugh at the current oled tech with all of its weird shortcomings. Even if you are totally not sensible for the flicker OLED will remain way worse than lcd in some cases.
 
I had a problem with the 11 too. I put it on low power mode all the time, and it seemed to help. I could look at screen for long periods of time.
Wow interesting, can you explain how you found this out and what is the exact difference? what did you feel before you used low power mode on the 11 and what do you feel now?
 
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Interesting (and distressing) that some of us have problems with the iPhone 11 display. When I had the originally released iPhone XR a few years ago I experienced terrible eye strain with it. The best way I can describe it is I felt the white point setting (if it were to have had one) was set too high and was searing my eyeballs. Turning the display brightness down didn’t help at all, it just made the display harder to see.

So I was very pleasantly surprised that the iPhone XR that AT&T sent to replace my late mother-in-law’s phone worked so well for me. Whites weren’t blinding and text was crisp and clear. My husband bought me an iPhone 11 for Christmas and I’ve had similar good luck with the display.
 
Interesting (and distressing) that some of us have problems with the iPhone 11 display. When I had the originally released iPhone XR a few years ago I experienced terrible eye strain with it. The best way I can describe it is I felt the white point setting (if it were to have had one) was set too high and was searing my eyeballs. Turning the display brightness down didn’t help at all, it just made the display harder to see.

So I was very pleasantly surprised that the iPhone XR that AT&T sent to replace my late mother-in-law’s phone worked so well for me. Whites weren’t blinding and text was crisp and clear. My husband bought me an iPhone 11 for Christmas and I’ve had similar good luck with the display.
The 11 has been a saving grace for me. The camera is the most important feature for me and having night mode has given me so many useable shots the previous phones could not. I just wish they didn’t discontinue the 256gb. I really need a 512gb phone but I’m making 256gb work by adding to the cloud. My battery health is down to 87%. It’s enough for me to absolutely notice, but not enough to warrant a battery replacement. I’d buy a new 256 11 this instant if I could find one, but it’s a unicorn.
 
The 11 has been a saving grace for me. The camera is the most important feature for me and having night mode has given me so many useable shots the previous phones could not. I just wish they didn’t discontinue the 256gb. I really need a 512gb phone but I’m making 256gb work by adding to the cloud. My battery health is down to 87%. It’s enough for me to absolutely notice, but not enough to warrant a battery replacement. I’d buy a new 256 11 this instant if I could find one, but it’s a unicorn.
My iPhone 11 has serious battery issues. After a year of use last January I got the battery replaced as battery health was down to 81%. Now a year later (and a replacement iPhone 11 because Apple damaged my original during repair) I'm down to 83% so I've sent it in for another new battery. It made me wonder are the iPhone 11 batteries a bit faulty.

Anyway this replacement battery should last me another year if I don't decide to get a new SE 3.

The pain of being a PWM sufferer.
 
Your brain on LCD:
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Your brain on OLED:

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I think even more important than color accuracy is cost/profit. I am 100% sure that it is possible to make a complete flicker, FRC and dithering free display but it comes at a cost, and the current manufacturers are not willing to go there. I think in 5 to 10 years the world will laugh at the current oled tech with all of its weird shortcomings. Even if you are totally not sensible for the flicker OLED will remain way worse than lcd in some cases.
If that’s the case I’ll feel dumb for keeping this phone even if I’m leaning in that direction. I do still get headaches and throbbing behind my eyes, but it’s significantly reduced from iPhone X and this phone is dramatically better than iPhone SE.

Admittedly I didn’t give iPhone 13 Pro the same chance that I did to iPhone 13 Mini. Their rates are supposedly the same, although they appear different on slo-mo camera as does iPhone 13. I may still give iPhone 13 a try since a hypothetical additional 20% reduction in headaches could be enough to push me over the edge.

I suppose I can deal with the occasional persistent headaches after use that are still there at a fraction of the intensity of past OLED iPhones. I’m more concerned with potential long-term implications if there are any.
 
The 11 has been a saving grace for me. The camera is the most important feature for me and having night mode has given me so many useable shots the previous phones could not. I just wish they didn’t discontinue the 256gb. I really need a 512gb phone but I’m making 256gb work by adding to the cloud. My battery health is down to 87%. It’s enough for me to absolutely notice, but not enough to warrant a battery replacement. I’d buy a new 256 11 this instant if I could find one, but it’s a unicorn.
I hear you. I went from a 512 gb iPhone 13 Pro. My Android phones are 256 gb.

Another frustrating thing about iPhone 11 is that Apple won’t sell cases for them but does still sell cases for the iPhone 11 Pro, which is a model Apple no longer sells! I don’t see the logic in selling the iPhone 11 but not its accessories but selling the accessories for a model no longer made.
 
I hear you. I went from a 512 gb iPhone 13 Pro. My Android phones are 256 gb.

Another frustrating thing about iPhone 11 is that Apple won’t sell cases for them but does still sell cases for the iPhone 11 Pro, which is a model Apple no longer sells! I don’t see the logic in selling the iPhone 11 but not its accessories but selling the accessories for a model no longer made.
Right? I was irritated day one that they didn’t offer a leather version for the 11. The pro models had them though. I realize I bought the “non pro” of the iteration but it wasn’t worthy of the same case selection of the pro models?
 
If that’s the case I’ll feel dumb for keeping this phone even if I’m leaning in that direction. I do still get headaches and throbbing behind my eyes, but it’s significantly reduced from iPhone X and this phone is dramatically better than iPhone SE.

Admittedly I didn’t give iPhone 13 Pro the same chance that I did to iPhone 13 Mini. Their rates are supposedly the same, although they appear different on slo-mo camera as does iPhone 13. I may still give iPhone 13 a try since a hypothetical additional 20% reduction in headaches could be enough to push me over the edge.

I suppose I can deal with the occasional persistent headaches after use that are still there at a fraction of the intensity of past OLED iPhones. I’m more concerned with potential long-term implications if there are any.
I’m starting to get worried about you, friend. I hope it “just” stays at headaches.

Sigh. My husband and I have been in a very bad stretch for the last few years. His job has gotten more consuming while our parents have gotten older with very demanding needs, while we are hitting smack into middle age and have developed health problems ourselves, like his hypertension and my autoimmune condition. And we have kids and pets who need medical appointments on top of everything else kids and pets need.

I’m in the middle of this situation right now with my dad bouncing around various hospitals and having to care for my mother in her home as she recovers from a surgery. The commute is awful and leaves us very little time to manage our own business.

Then Covid had to complicate everything. I’m saying all this to explain how incredibly difficult it’s been and is currently actively being to track down what’s going on with MY health right now. When I first started having seizures a few years ago when menopause started, I had monitors to wear and CT scans and dye contrast and regular MRI’s and every kind of test the neurologist could order. Nothing wrong was found structurally. My body chemistry was tested as well and was fine.

My friend who has MS says the tests I had should have revealed if I have MS. What I was diagnosed with was atypical migraine. Not even epilepsy. I did get a second opinion and the verdict was the same. It was not just one neurologist looking at me.

So I’m holding on to hope that’s still holding true because I have zero option of seeing a doctor right now. I wish I could.

The past couple of days I’ve lost the ability to speak normally, at times. As you can see, I can type just fine. However I can not write in longhand and I can’t express communication of this level verbally at various times of day. That’s actually nothing new for my condition. Which is why I’m not freaking out.

What is worse than usual is that I tried to walk into my laundry room two days ago and my legs simply ceased to exist for my brain and I had to stand there and wait for the connection to be reestablished. But I’ve had shadows of that sort of issue before.

The trigger for all of this the last few days seems to have been the weather! We had two different winter storm systems move in. Every one of my friends who suffers traditional migraines has had horrible headaches. I don’t usually experience the pain they do but I get what feels like an electrical storm in my brain.

By all rights, I should still be seeing a doctor about this, but my attempts to see a doctor about my autoimmune condition flaring up met with a frustrating several hours at urgent care and one consultation with Teladoc. I never even made it to see my opthamologist or my regular doctor as Covid has dramatically changed their accessibility. I couldn’t even get my dad in to his doctor until his situation became a medical emergency! Otherwise his regular appointment is still a month away!

So I’m saying all this without really knowing for sure what’s going on with me medically, but basing it on what I do know, this is possibly how debilitating a migraine condition can become. Because I did used to get the headaches, and this is what it’s morphed into over the years. Do you want to risk this happening for yourself?

We have a MacRumors forum member here who had told us a year or two ago that his balance problems that were caused by pwm apparently now are chronic and permanent. I believed him but, I didn’t think anything so extreme could happen to me. Now I do, because it seems to be happening. When I had my 11 Pro I didn’t have any visual problems but the months I was using it I fell down and dropped things constantly, which is why my family bought me the iPhone SE2. I fell down our stairs twice and busted up my leg pretty good. I told my doctor about all this and he just called me clumsy! Never during that time did I have typical pwm issues, but when I got rid of that phone I stopped falling and dropping things!

A lot of people who read this thread will look at some of the claims we make and scoff. And that’s fine. I can’t prove iPhones have made me worse. As I said, recently it’s been weather pressure systems triggering my problems. But I can’t say this constant subjecting of myself to a known stressor is of any help, either.

I get my senses assaulted enough from lighting and nature. So naturally I question why I would add to that by choice.

I decided enough was enough. I’m not putting myself through this anymore. I lived just fine a few years ago when iPhone 4 was state of the art. What my iPhone 11 can do is still wondrous.

So when Tim Cook gets on the stage and introduces iPhone 14 and tries to tell me how wonderful it is and how it’s the best iPhone ever made, I am going to remember how iPhone 13 Pro gave me vertigo and even my adorable 13 mini gave me the feeling of being punched in the eye socket until I “got used to it” and I’m going to tell him I’m just fine with my iPhone 11, thanks.

I just read what I said about my 13 mini. If I had dated a guy who punched me in the face, would I stay with him hoping I’d eventually get used to it? That the swelling would eventually make me numb so it would hurt less? Lol no, I’d yeet him to the next county!

I’m so sorry for this long meandering post. This is the first time I’ve articulated “my journey” even to myself. The 13 Pro was my wake up call. So much money and excitement I spent on that thing. I could just kick myself now.

I’ve loved technology all my life. The iPhone form factor is basically all my childhood dreams come true. It’s not easy to jump off the hype train. But I’m getting off of it, finally. It’s fun reading the rumors but it doesn’t feel the same for me anymore. Even on the Android side of it, I’m wary. I use the OLED on my Pixel 6 Pro sparingly.

And that’s okay. There’s a whole wide beautiful world out there. I gotta stop doing stuff to myself that keeps me from getting fully out into it and living it. Mindfulness isn’t some app on my phone or watch. It’s watching a bird build a nest.

You have to do what you feel you need to do, Michael. But please don’t let this stuff damage you permanently, chronically. You’ve been a kind and thoughtful presence here and I would hate for anything bad to happen to you. I frankly think subjecting yourself to headaches is bad. But it’s not my place to make this decision for you. I can only use myself as a cautionary tale.

I do like the feeling of connection to other people that technology has given me. I’m too busy and frazzled to sit down with people for coffee anymore. So my time on this forum feels meaningful and fulfilling. But there has to be a way to stay connected without damaging myself. For now, it’s my iPhone 11 but someday I may have to find another option. We have blind MacRumors members. So there apparently are options I should investigate to stay connected without assaulting my senses this way.
 
Mild signs of headache from stress or eye fatigue is a sure sign of a migraine attack brewing. This will ruin a whole day and sometimes the next, so I have to drop some pills immediately and try to relax my brain.

The OLED iPhones are a trigger for this and so I cannot and will not live with this no matter how important a mobile phone is to my day to day life. I don't think anyone else should risk their short term or long term health for technology that is was designed to help and enrich our lives.

It's frustrating beyond believe I know, this has been a story years in the making with no solution in sight. It actually has me questioning how I choose to live my life and how technology probably shouldn't be so important.
 
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If frustrating beyond believe I know, this has been a story years in the making with no solution in sight. It actually has me questioning how I choose to live my life and how technology probably shouldn't be so important.
I'm glad you said that because it's something I've been stressing about which is absolutely ridiculous when you put it into perspective.

I don't know what phone I'll end up using once Apple stop selling LCD displays and when my phone is no longer supported with OS upgrades/starts running slow. I hate that it terrifies me.

I keep thinking to myself:
  1. Display tech has to improve and maybe something like microLED is the answer. Who knows at this point.
  2. The iPhone 12 was the first non Pro Apple device to get an OLED panel. Non-Pro users have only had just over a year to experience OLED. It took me 10 months to discover the root cause of my migraines with the iPhone X and that was by stumbling on this thread by chance. As OLED becomes the more common display to a wider range of users this issue will surely become more widespread once people realise the root cause of their migraines/eye strain and the minority in this thread won't be the only ones complaining about it. I'm hoping at that point Apple will have to do better and come up with a better display implementation or face a backlash for not being health conscious (which is already ironic considering the way they toot the Apple Watch/Fitness/Health app).
 
I’m starting to get worried about you, friend. I hope it “just” stays at headaches.

Sigh. My husband and I have been in a very bad stretch for the last few years. His job has gotten more consuming while our parents have gotten older with very demanding needs, while we are hitting smack into middle age and have developed health problems ourselves, like his hypertension and my autoimmune condition. And we have kids and pets who need medical appointments on top of everything else kids and pets need.

I’m in the middle of this situation right now with my dad bouncing around various hospitals and having to care for my mother in her home as she recovers from a surgery. The commute is awful and leaves us very little time to manage our own business.

Then Covid had to complicate everything. I’m saying all this to explain how incredibly difficult it’s been and is currently actively being to track down what’s going on with MY health right now. When I first started having seizures a few years ago when menopause started, I had monitors to wear and CT scans and dye contrast and regular MRI’s and every kind of test the neurologist could order. Nothing wrong was found structurally. My body chemistry was tested as well and was fine.

My friend who has MS says the tests I had should have revealed if I have MS. What I was diagnosed with was atypical migraine. Not even epilepsy. I did get a second opinion and the verdict was the same. It was not just one neurologist looking at me.

So I’m holding on to hope that’s still holding true because I have zero option of seeing a doctor right now. I wish I could.

The past couple of days I’ve lost the ability to speak normally, at times. As you can see, I can type just fine. However I can not write in longhand and I can’t express communication of this level verbally at various times of day. That’s actually nothing new for my condition. Which is why I’m not freaking out.

What is worse than usual is that I tried to walk into my laundry room two days ago and my legs simply ceased to exist for my brain and I had to stand there and wait for the connection to be reestablished. But I’ve had shadows of that sort of issue before.

The trigger for all of this the last few days seems to have been the weather! We had two different winter storm systems move in. Every one of my friends who suffers traditional migraines has had horrible headaches. I don’t usually experience the pain they do but I get what feels like an electrical storm in my brain.

By all rights, I should still be seeing a doctor about this, but my attempts to see a doctor about my autoimmune condition flaring up met with a frustrating several hours at urgent care and one consultation with Teladoc. I never even made it to see my opthamologist or my regular doctor as Covid has dramatically changed their accessibility. I couldn’t even get my dad in to his doctor until his situation became a medical emergency! Otherwise his regular appointment is still a month away!

So I’m saying all this without really knowing for sure what’s going on with me medically, but basing it on what I do know, this is possibly how debilitating a migraine condition can become. Because I did used to get the headaches, and this is what it’s morphed into over the years. Do you want to risk this happening for yourself?

We have a MacRumors forum member here who had told us a year or two ago that his balance problems that were caused by pwm apparently now are chronic and permanent. I believed him but, I didn’t think anything so extreme could happen to me. Now I do, because it seems to be happening. When I had my 11 Pro I didn’t have any visual problems but the months I was using it I fell down and dropped things constantly, which is why my family bought me the iPhone SE2. I fell down our stairs twice and busted up my leg pretty good. I told my doctor about all this and he just called me clumsy! Never during that time did I have typical pwm issues, but when I got rid of that phone I stopped falling and dropping things!

A lot of people who read this thread will look at some of the claims we make and scoff. And that’s fine. I can’t prove iPhones have made me worse. As I said, recently it’s been weather pressure systems triggering my problems. But I can’t say this constant subjecting of myself to a known stressor is of any help, either.

I get my senses assaulted enough from lighting and nature. So naturally I question why I would add to that by choice.

I decided enough was enough. I’m not putting myself through this anymore. I lived just fine a few years ago when iPhone 4 was state of the art. What my iPhone 11 can do is still wondrous.

So when Tim Cook gets on the stage and introduces iPhone 14 and tries to tell me how wonderful it is and how it’s the best iPhone ever made, I am going to remember how iPhone 13 Pro gave me vertigo and even my adorable 13 mini gave me the feeling of being punched in the eye socket until I “got used to it” and I’m going to tell him I’m just fine with my iPhone 11, thanks.

I just read what I said about my 13 mini. If I had dated a guy who punched me in the face, would I stay with him hoping I’d eventually get used to it? That the swelling would eventually make me numb so it would hurt less? Lol no, I’d yeet him to the next county!

I’m so sorry for this long meandering post. This is the first time I’ve articulated “my journey” even to myself. The 13 Pro was my wake up call. So much money and excitement I spent on that thing. I could just kick myself now.

I’ve loved technology all my life. The iPhone form factor is basically all my childhood dreams come true. It’s not easy to jump off the hype train. But I’m getting off of it, finally. It’s fun reading the rumors but it doesn’t feel the same for me anymore. Even on the Android side of it, I’m wary. I use the OLED on my Pixel 6 Pro sparingly.

And that’s okay. There’s a whole wide beautiful world out there. I gotta stop doing stuff to myself that keeps me from getting fully out into it and living it. Mindfulness isn’t some app on my phone or watch. It’s watching a bird build a nest.

You have to do what you feel you need to do, Michael. But please don’t let this stuff damage you permanently, chronically. You’ve been a kind and thoughtful presence here and I would hate for anything bad to happen to you. I frankly think subjecting yourself to headaches is bad. But it’s not my place to make this decision for you. I can only use myself as a cautionary tale.

I do like the feeling of connection to other people that technology has given me. I’m too busy and frazzled to sit down with people for coffee anymore. So my time on this forum feels meaningful and fulfilling. But there has to be a way to stay connected without damaging myself. For now, it’s my iPhone 11 but someday I may have to find another option. We have blind MacRumors members. So there apparently are options I should investigate to stay connected without assaulting my senses this way.
Thank you so much for sharing your story and for what it is worth, I will keep you in my prayers. I am so incredibly sorry you are going through what you are. I just turned 46 and every day I experience a new ache or pain, coupled with having a newborn in October, so I feel like health maintenance is more important than ever. I do not have the debilitating things you are experiencing, but there are many things you mentioned that I can relate to in some way.

Please continue to do all you can to take care of yourself. I know it is extremely frustrating right now with Covid having ramped up. Prompt care is a 4-5 hour wait where I live, and physicians will only see non-covid cases from 7-11am. I live south of Chicago and just had a few snow storms come through here to add to it all.

Everyone, stay safe, keep priorities in perspective, and find ways to enjoy what you ‘are’ able to use. I’ve come to care about my PWM family, and hope you can find at least some comfort you are not alone in this battle. Here’s to hoping the iPhone 14 is a winner, albeit I have little hope because even if they tweak it further, PWM will still be present.
 
Migraine for me starts with visual aura, starts with just some zebra stripes in my peripheral vision that increases more and more until I cannot see $%@$, and I have to take a heavy dose painkiller before that aura disappears, because as soon as it disappears (after approx. 30 minutes), the pain sets in, and once it's there, painkillers don't do much anymore. I basically have 30 minutes to treat it and if I don't, I'm out for the day. Headache is different. No auras, and pain that can easily be treated. My dad and my sister have the same issues. I had ONE migraine since I got the phone (2 weeks now), and I am not sure it was caused by the phone. My migraines are triggered by a) flickering lights, b) major stressful situations, c) eating soy, and are usually appearing 18-24 hours after a triggering event.
Any updates ?
 
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While the 11 has a large screen it's resolution is only 828p which can make text look fuzzy. I found coming from a 1080p iphone that the text just wasn't sharp enough which caused me some eye strain. Also the LCD display is using temporal dithering. Credit to TDDM:

"Temporal dithering (FRC – Frame Rate Control)
FRC (Frame Rate Control) or temporal dithering, as explored by Lagom, describes rapid alternation between a very slightly lighter and very slightly darker variant of a given shade. This is done where the shade itself can’t be displayed, for example if the monitor does not have the necessary bit-depth to display that shade. The GPU may also add its own dithering stage, so even if a monitor is free from dithering (e.g. ‘true 8-bit’ rather than 6-bit + 2-bit FRC) there may be some dithering visible. It is therefore very difficult to achieve a viewing experience entirely free from dithering, but it’s certainly minimised if the monitor itself doesn’t use dithering. This can be thought of as a form of flickering, although it is very different to the flickering you get from PWM whereby there are extreme brightness changes of the entire backlight. This is a minute luminance change that affects certain shades, so most users will not find this problematic even if they are sensitive to PWM usage. Some users still take issue with dithering usage and prefer that it is taken out of the equation, or at least minimised".

Wow interesting, can you explain how you found this out and what is the exact difference? what did you feel before you used low power mode on the 11 and what do you feel now?
Yep. Reading about temporal dithering opened my eyes (ha) about why the 11 gave me a warm flush in my head, and caused this weird eye fatigue (blindness… kind of… hard to describe. Maybe retina fatigue?) from looking at the 11 screen too long. Turning on low power made it possible to look at forever though. I would love to know if low power turned off the temporal dithering. I think I also had reduce white on as well to 80% because the screen felt so bright.
 
I’m starting to get worried about you, friend. I hope it “just” stays at headaches.

Sigh. My husband and I have been in a very bad stretch for the last few years. His job has gotten more consuming while our parents have gotten older with very demanding needs, while we are hitting smack into middle age and have developed health problems ourselves, like his hypertension and my autoimmune condition. And we have kids and pets who need medical appointments on top of everything else kids and pets need.

I’m in the middle of this situation right now with my dad bouncing around various hospitals and having to care for my mother in her home as she recovers from a surgery. The commute is awful and leaves us very little time to manage our own business.

Then Covid had to complicate everything. I’m saying all this to explain how incredibly difficult it’s been and is currently actively being to track down what’s going on with MY health right now. When I first started having seizures a few years ago when menopause started, I had monitors to wear and CT scans and dye contrast and regular MRI’s and every kind of test the neurologist could order. Nothing wrong was found structurally. My body chemistry was tested as well and was fine.

My friend who has MS says the tests I had should have revealed if I have MS. What I was diagnosed with was atypical migraine. Not even epilepsy. I did get a second opinion and the verdict was the same. It was not just one neurologist looking at me.

So I’m holding on to hope that’s still holding true because I have zero option of seeing a doctor right now. I wish I could.

The past couple of days I’ve lost the ability to speak normally, at times. As you can see, I can type just fine. However I can not write in longhand and I can’t express communication of this level verbally at various times of day. That’s actually nothing new for my condition. Which is why I’m not freaking out.

What is worse than usual is that I tried to walk into my laundry room two days ago and my legs simply ceased to exist for my brain and I had to stand there and wait for the connection to be reestablished. But I’ve had shadows of that sort of issue before.

The trigger for all of this the last few days seems to have been the weather! We had two different winter storm systems move in. Every one of my friends who suffers traditional migraines has had horrible headaches. I don’t usually experience the pain they do but I get what feels like an electrical storm in my brain.

By all rights, I should still be seeing a doctor about this, but my attempts to see a doctor about my autoimmune condition flaring up met with a frustrating several hours at urgent care and one consultation with Teladoc. I never even made it to see my opthamologist or my regular doctor as Covid has dramatically changed their accessibility. I couldn’t even get my dad in to his doctor until his situation became a medical emergency! Otherwise his regular appointment is still a month away!

So I’m saying all this without really knowing for sure what’s going on with me medically, but basing it on what I do know, this is possibly how debilitating a migraine condition can become. Because I did used to get the headaches, and this is what it’s morphed into over the years. Do you want to risk this happening for yourself?

We have a MacRumors forum member here who had told us a year or two ago that his balance problems that were caused by pwm apparently now are chronic and permanent. I believed him but, I didn’t think anything so extreme could happen to me. Now I do, because it seems to be happening. When I had my 11 Pro I didn’t have any visual problems but the months I was using it I fell down and dropped things constantly, which is why my family bought me the iPhone SE2. I fell down our stairs twice and busted up my leg pretty good. I told my doctor about all this and he just called me clumsy! Never during that time did I have typical pwm issues, but when I got rid of that phone I stopped falling and dropping things!

A lot of people who read this thread will look at some of the claims we make and scoff. And that’s fine. I can’t prove iPhones have made me worse. As I said, recently it’s been weather pressure systems triggering my problems. But I can’t say this constant subjecting of myself to a known stressor is of any help, either.

I get my senses assaulted enough from lighting and nature. So naturally I question why I would add to that by choice.

I decided enough was enough. I’m not putting myself through this anymore. I lived just fine a few years ago when iPhone 4 was state of the art. What my iPhone 11 can do is still wondrous.

So when Tim Cook gets on the stage and introduces iPhone 14 and tries to tell me how wonderful it is and how it’s the best iPhone ever made, I am going to remember how iPhone 13 Pro gave me vertigo and even my adorable 13 mini gave me the feeling of being punched in the eye socket until I “got used to it” and I’m going to tell him I’m just fine with my iPhone 11, thanks.

I just read what I said about my 13 mini. If I had dated a guy who punched me in the face, would I stay with him hoping I’d eventually get used to it? That the swelling would eventually make me numb so it would hurt less? Lol no, I’d yeet him to the next county!

I’m so sorry for this long meandering post. This is the first time I’ve articulated “my journey” even to myself. The 13 Pro was my wake up call. So much money and excitement I spent on that thing. I could just kick myself now.

I’ve loved technology all my life. The iPhone form factor is basically all my childhood dreams come true. It’s not easy to jump off the hype train. But I’m getting off of it, finally. It’s fun reading the rumors but it doesn’t feel the same for me anymore. Even on the Android side of it, I’m wary. I use the OLED on my Pixel 6 Pro sparingly.

And that’s okay. There’s a whole wide beautiful world out there. I gotta stop doing stuff to myself that keeps me from getting fully out into it and living it. Mindfulness isn’t some app on my phone or watch. It’s watching a bird build a nest.

You have to do what you feel you need to do, Michael. But please don’t let this stuff damage you permanently, chronically. You’ve been a kind and thoughtful presence here and I would hate for anything bad to happen to you. I frankly think subjecting yourself to headaches is bad. But it’s not my place to make this decision for you. I can only use myself as a cautionary tale.

I do like the feeling of connection to other people that technology has given me. I’m too busy and frazzled to sit down with people for coffee anymore. So my time on this forum feels meaningful and fulfilling. But there has to be a way to stay connected without damaging myself. For now, it’s my iPhone 11 but someday I may have to find another option. We have blind MacRumors members. So there apparently are options I should investigate to stay connected without assaulting my senses this way.
Thank you for being so open and honest. I agree with you on every level, and new iPhones should be able to inspire joy for every user rather than potentially headaches or worse. It’s concerning that if we choose to keep these phones there could be long-term repercussions. Meanwhile, millions of people are using them supposedly without an issue. I’m sorry to hear about what you’ve gone through, and it’s opened up my eyes. It’s a shame we still can’t get a flagship iPhone that doesn’t cause headaches or migraines. I’m gutted that I’ll most likely have to return yet another iPhone that I admittedly love.

Here’s to our health and well-being above all else.
 
So I've been using an 11 Pro Max for a couple of weeks now. Everything was perfectly fine at first but these past few days my eyes have felt dry and warm when looking at the screen. No headaches or anything like that, just eye strain. Is it possible that it's the cold weather causing this and not the screen?

I switched to a android LCD phone earlier today for a bit and noticed the strain go down quite a bit and my eyes felt more comfortable. Maybe just placebo?

I do admit that I'm on my phone alot throughout the day since I'm currently unemployed, so it could be just general fatigue from looking at a screen so long.
 
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So I've been using an 11 Pro Max for a couple of weeks now. Everything was perfectly fine at first but these past few days my eyes have felt dry and warm when looking at the screen. No headaches or anything like that, just eye strain. Is it possible that it's the cold weather causing this and not the screen?

I switched to a android LCD phone earlier today for a bit and noticed the strain go down quite a bit and my eyes felt more comfortable. Maybe just placebo?

I do admit that I'm on my phone alot throughout the day since I'm currently unemployed, so it could be just general fatigue from looking at a screen so long.
Could you try staring at a computer screen all day, or at the LCD Android all day to see if you have the same dry, warm eyes at the end of the day?

Gotta experiment to see if it’s the iPhone.
 
Could you try staring at a computer screen all day, or at the LCD Android all day to see if you have the same dry, warm eyes at the end of the day?

Gotta experiment to see if it’s the iPhone.
Yeah I'm gonna do some more experimenting to see how this goes
 
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