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Not gonna happen. Would have to be built on X body design if anything or would need too much R&D, which would put the price up by alot because not enough room in SE 2 body for parts like face ID.
I'm prepared to believe it will be same as last year but with 5G and newer processor, that's it.
The fact we got no SE Plus doesn't give hope for other form factors yet. Maybe next year the XR/11 body?
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It may not be PWM that is the issue for you. Plenty of people are reporting eye strain and headaches when they've upgraded their iPad or Macbook, for examples, when they were fine on previous models. There has been software and other hardware changes over the years, like display controllers and dithering etc.
Or perhaps you have mild sensitivity to PWM and your prescription needs are highlighting this?
Thanks. Can I ask what dithering is in relation to displays?
By the way is there a way to turn the promotion function off as I wondered if that might help?
The ProMotion can be limited to a max of 60 Hz but can't be completely turned off.
@jimmy_uk posted great info about temporal dithering with links for more in depth reading previously on this thread.
Eye-strain while using iPhone X and up
While the 11 has a large screen it's resolution is only 828p which can make text look fuzzy. I found coming from a 1080p iphone that the text just wasn't sharp enough which caused me some eye strain. Also the LCD display is using temporal dithering. Credit to TDDM: "Temporal dithering (FRC –...
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Temporal dithering is how a lot of displays get “billions” of colors or “wide color”. The display in those cases doesn’t actually support those colors, but it uses a trick where it rapidly flickers two adjacent pixels to fool your eye into thinking there is a shade of color in between the two flickering colors. This is also sometimes called FRC or frame rate control. Some people have found this causes eye strain and headaches. I guess the test would be to have a system that has a “true” 10 bit display pipeline and compare it to one that uses dithering and see if it makes a difference.
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I don't know what they get that assumption from but it's usually the other way around. DC dimming at higher brightness levels and PWM at lower brightness levels if there a difference at all.
I'm questioning a lot of their results. They don't go into enough detail to know what they are basing their findings on.
Their observations have been getting lost in translation. All iPhone 13 models do use a 60Hz rate at lower brightness levels so it is possible they’re doing what they can to mitigate PWM effects at the lowest brightness levels specifically.
Looking at Apple Watch, it seems like color accuracy would be adequate enough.
As nice as the display currently looks it would be preferable to throbbing behind the eyes. 60Hz flicker with amplitudes under 1% replicating Apple Watch would be amazing.
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Just want to share my experience.
I have recently bought a new iPhone and was hit by pwm eye strain immediately. At least what I thought it was. Googling for a solution to the issue I came upon “attention aware” feature, which apparently when turned on, constantly blasts your eyes with infrared beam. I believe turning this feature off and reducing white point mitigated the issue entirely for me.
Sorry if I just repeated something you already knew and did not help you.
I have recently bought a new iPhone and was hit by pwm eye strain immediately. At least what I thought it was. Googling for a solution to the issue I came upon “attention aware” feature, which apparently when turned on, constantly blasts your eyes with infrared beam. I believe turning this feature off and reducing white point mitigated the issue entirely for me.
Sorry if I just repeated something you already knew and did not help you.
I’m not even going to spoil this for you. Read and see if anything in particular catches your attention.
www.macworld.com
Apple is reportedly prepping an iPhone SE with a first-of-its-kind display
Ross Young of Display Supply Chain Consultants reports that the fourth-generation iPhone SE will get a unique 5.7-inch display.
www.macworld.com
I looked in the display settings when I was using the phone and couldn’t see an obvious control for the promotion.
Settings->Accessibility->Motion->Limit Frame Rate
When you turn on Low Power mode, ProMotion is also limited to a maximum of 60 Hz.
Maybe switching to oled?I’m not even going to spoil this for you. Read and see if anything in particular catches your attention.
Apple is reportedly prepping an iPhone SE with a first-of-its-kind display
Ross Young of Display Supply Chain Consultants reports that the fourth-generation iPhone SE will get a unique 5.7-inch display.
The whole industry is migrating to HELLED. LCD’s are considered old tech.
This is what happens when clueless people at the top make decisions for the masses
This is what happens when clueless people at the top make decisions for the masses
I would be curious to know the component costs to Apple for OLED panels vs LCD at this stage. I realize the industry standard is now OLED, but Apple was always so proud of their LCD screens (or blowing smoke until they could justify the switch). Point being, Apple is so invested in OLED now I wonder if they have gotten the price point for OLED to now be less expensive than LCD? Cause let’s face it, it is profit first and all else after.
To be fair, OLED is a superior display technology as far as overall quality is concerned. LCD will likely remain cheaper to produce for the foreseeable future.
These displays look amazing for all types of content. I can’t wait to see the day where they don’t cause headaches since they only look better year-over-year.
My iPhone 13 Mini is still in brand new condition after a month and a half. Not looking forward to returning it but I’m getting a tension headache staring at it while typing this.
This comment could be clever for a number of reasons. It is a trippy experience, but iPhone X was the pinnacle of being psychoactive.
Possibly purely anecdotal: low power mode seems to reduce eye strain. That could also be be because the display becomes dimmer at equivalent brightness levels.
I agree, but the Apple watch display has noticable color shift at low brightness. Would be color accurate enough to edit photos on. I personally don't care about absolute color accuracy on a phone. I want it to be color accurate enough to look good but it's a phone. I have a computer for color work.
They could maybe make it an accessibility option if nothing else.
I was reading a story about tpu screen protectors, they seem to scatter the polarised light that comes from our smartphones and thereforce could be helpfull in minimizing negative effects of pwm. Personally i am going to try this on a 13pro next week. They are not easily available since most screen protectors are glas or made from other plastics. It seems that only tpu is good to scatter the light in a way that it's less harsh for our brain.
Anyone experience with this?
Anyone experience with this?
Interesting. I had always used tempered glass protectors. But i doubt that such a tpu screen protector could really make such a difference.
Here is a comparsion between the iPhone 13 with the Galaxy S21 FE from Russia with the flicker meter. The iPhone 13 perform overall better:
Here is a comparsion between the iPhone 13 with the Galaxy S21 FE from Russia with the flicker meter. The iPhone 13 perform overall better: