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I have an odd question in relation to all of this eye strain concern.

I have a 13 pro that I’ve had for a year, and it’s been decent, though I’ve had mild sensitivity.

I bought a 2022 SE a few weeks ago for the smaller size and the LCD display. It was perfect for my eyes for the week I had it, but returned it to try the 13 mini.

I returned that and am on another SE that I picked up.
From the moment I started setting it up, I’ve noticed dry eyes, and a very slight off and on stinging in my eyes.

Is it possible to have a display on one lcd phone be perfect and have it bothersome on another of the same exact model?

I suspect it’s just an eye thing I’m experiencing this week that is not related to the phone, but I’m a bit paranoid as I move into the last week of my return window.

As I go back and try my 13 pro again, I feel the same thing- so I’m guessing it’s just my eyes and allergies, the drug colder air this week, etc.
 
I have an odd question in relation to all of this eye strain concern.

I have a 13 pro that I’ve had for a year, and it’s been decent, though I’ve had mild sensitivity.

I bought a 2022 SE a few weeks ago for the smaller size and the LCD display. It was perfect for my eyes for the week I had it, but returned it to try the 13 mini.

I returned that and am on another SE that I picked up.
From the moment I started setting it up, I’ve noticed dry eyes, and a very slight off and on stinging in my eyes.

Is it possible to have a display on one lcd phone be perfect and have it bothersome on another of the same exact model?

I suspect it’s just an eye thing I’m experiencing this week that is not related to the phone, but I’m a bit paranoid as I move into the last week of my return window.

As I go back and try my 13 pro again, I feel the same thing- so I’m guessing it’s just my eyes and allergies, the drug colder air this week, etc.
Yes. It’s possible. I had an original XR that was harsh and made my eyes hurt to look at it. The one I got free from AT&T last year was great.

SE2020 was uncomfortable as heck. SE 2022 was and is fine.

My husband’s 14 Pro Max display is immediately annoying. My 14 Pro Max is fine except apparently I develop nervous system problems not immediately apparent like poor coordination. I’m also now getting a weird pressure in my eyes but that’s probably from smacking my head hard last week. I don’t expect that to be permanent.
 
Yes. It’s possible. I had an original XR that was harsh and made my eyes hurt to look at it. The one I got free from AT&T last year was great.

SE2020 was uncomfortable as heck. SE 2022 was and is fine.

My husband’s 14 Pro Max display is immediately annoying. My 14 Pro Max is fine except apparently I develop nervous system problems not immediately apparent like poor coordination. I’m also now getting a weird pressure in my eyes but that’s probably from smacking my head hard last week. I don’t expect that to be permanent.

What do you think accounts for this variance? I’ve noticed it myself, but in theory they should be the same.

Have you tried multiple SE 2022s and noticed differences also?
 
What do you think accounts for this variance? I’ve noticed it myself, but in theory they should be the same.

Have you tried multiple SE 2022s and noticed differences also?
No I was really fortunate with my SE 2022. So I have only the one as a reference. Eye comfort was good from the beginning to end. However, Apple’s LCD displays that I have tried on the SE2020, recent XR, iPhone 11 and SE 2022 result in a white shimmery disturbance in the periphery of my left eye. From what I found doing web searches that’s usually a hallmark of a pituitary tumor if it’s only in one eye.

But I only get it when I’ve been on those displays for awhile. I still intend to get it checked out by a neurologist, but they’re hard to get non emergency appointments with these days. At least where I live, and with my health insurance. I’m also operating with my own constrained availability.

Differences in OLED displays are more known. My husband and I would get the same model of android phones and see startling differences in our displays.

Theoretically I don’t need to get a new SE next spring. My iPhone 11 is excellent. But more and more I’m encountering 5G service in my travels and I’ve come to appreciate it.

My SE3 is fine but I like the Xr form.
 
Yes. It’s possible. I had an original XR that was harsh and made my eyes hurt to look at it. The one I got free from AT&T last year was great.

SE2020 was uncomfortable as heck. SE 2022 was and is fine.

My husband’s 14 Pro Max display is immediately annoying. My 14 Pro Max is fine except apparently I develop nervous system problems not immediately apparent like poor coordination. I’m also now getting a weird pressure in my eyes but that’s probably from smacking my head hard last week. I don’t expect that to be permanent.

Thanks for the responses. Makes me wish I just held into that SE I had a few weeks ago.

However, I’m using my 13 pro again now for the evening and feeling the same thing- and it’s definitely not something I felt when using this phone over the last year… so I am guessing it’s just a “thing” going on with my eyes this week.

But, who knows? It just seems odd that it started at the moment I was setting up this SE.

That return window that is slowly closing just makes me super paranoid about every little thing, I think.
 
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It’s stunning, I absolutely agree. The colors really pop, even compared to (overrated) iPhone OLED displays.
Everybody keeps raving about this SE screen that I‘m so intrigued now. I’m happy to be back on my 11. It fits me well: the curves, the Face ID, the weight, and of course our beloved LCD, but all this talk of the SE has me imagining a screen of beauty.
 
Everybody keeps raving about this SE screen that I‘m so intrigued now. I’m happy to be back on my 11. It fits me well: the curves, the Face ID, the weight, and of course our beloved LCD, but all this talk of the SE has me imagining a screen of beauty.
It looks like I'm going for the SE22, especially with the rumours there won't be an updated model until 2024. I think returning to owning the Apple Watch and iPad will help with the transaction to the smaller iPhone. I am still waiting for iPad 11" 2021 refurbs though and I haven't decided if the AW Ultra is the one or if I should just stick with Stainless steel (as I love the SS bracelet).
 
Today i tried the Ipad Air 5 at the apple store and i get eye strain / headache pretty instant! Instead, the Ipad 10 seems ok, so i can try it! I am stuck with the ipad air 2 so i need an upgrade..

As for the phone, I am staying with the iphone X and will make one last attempt with the iPhones 15, if it goes wrong I will go back to android with the pixels.
 
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Every screen is different

Yeah, I suppose that makes sense.
I am not sure what's going on, but it is weird that the week and a half I used the SE 2022 that I had a few weeks ago were flawless.
To be fair, though- yesterday after having not used my phone for over 12 hours, I picked up my 13 Pro instead and used it for about 15 minutes, and had the same dry eye symptoms with it- so I would have to suspect it's just a little phase my eyes are going through, potentially not associated with the new SE. (it was just quite a coincidence that it started at literally the moment I turned it on and started setting it up last week)

My return window closes on this phone this coming Sunday... I feel bad for the phone swapping, but for peace of mind I am wondering if I might want to pick up a different one at one of my local Apple stores and return this one- given what you said about every screen being different, and knowing I had zero issues with the first one.

I'll see how the rest of this week goes.
 
No I was really fortunate with my SE 2022. So I have only the one as a reference. Eye comfort was good from the beginning to end. However, Apple’s LCD displays that I have tried on the SE2020, recent XR, iPhone 11 and SE 2022 result in a white shimmery disturbance in the periphery of my left eye. From what I found doing web searches that’s usually a hallmark of a pituitary tumor if it’s only in one eye.

But I only get it when I’ve been on those displays for awhile. I still intend to get it checked out by a neurologist, but they’re hard to get non emergency appointments with these days. At least where I live, and with my health insurance. I’m also operating with my own constrained availability.

Differences in OLED displays are more known. My husband and I would get the same model of android phones and see startling differences in our displays.

Theoretically I don’t need to get a new SE next spring. My iPhone 11 is excellent. But more and more I’m encountering 5G service in my travels and I’ve come to appreciate it.

My SE3 is fine but I like the Xr form.
I'm curious if there is a pattern with certain models. Was the XR that was ok from AT&T a different color/config than the one that wasn't? Which config/color is your current SE? Like maybe they only use the "good" screens in the silver/white production line vs the more irritating ones in the space grey. idk seems a like a whacky theory, but I'm trying to get an idea if there is any predictability in this?
 
I'm curious if there is a pattern with certain models. Was the XR that was ok from AT&T a different color/config than the one that wasn't? Which config/color is your current SE? Like maybe they only use the "good" screens in the silver/white production line vs the more irritating ones in the space grey. idk seems a like a whacky theory, but I'm trying to get an idea if there is any predictability in this?

Sorry to jump in, but I was wondering the same. With my SE, the one I had absolutely no trouble with was a 128GB Midnight model. The one I have now is also midnight, but it's the base 64GB. Is it possible the base storage- especially the SE that is a budget phone anyway- uses a lower end screen somehow? Seems like a stretch, but who knows.

Maybe to your question to GrumpyMom- that there is something like this at play as well with the XR?
 
Doesn’t low brightness make things worse for those that are sensitive to pwm?
I'm not convinced it's *just* pwm (for me).
Think the brightness of these displays has something to do with it.
I know I get irritations sooner when I turn the display up.
Or, once I get irritated other light sources seem to annoy as well.
So I try to keep the display dim, around 15% at the moment, evening, dim room.
 
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Yeah, I suppose that makes sense.
I am not sure what's going on, but it is weird that the week and a half I used the SE 2022 that I had a few weeks ago were flawless.
To be fair, though- yesterday after having not used my phone for over 12 hours, I picked up my 13 Pro instead and used it for about 15 minutes, and had the same dry eye symptoms with it- so I would have to suspect it's just a little phase my eyes are going through, potentially not associated with the new SE. (it was just quite a coincidence that it started at literally the moment I turned it on and started setting it up last week)

My return window closes on this phone this coming Sunday... I feel bad for the phone swapping, but for peace of mind I am wondering if I might want to pick up a different one at one of my local Apple stores and return this one- given what you said about every screen being different, and knowing I had zero issues with the first one.

I'll see how the rest of this week goes.
I wish you all the best. I know it is so frustrating to go through all of this. It makes what’s so simple for so many other people so complicated and even stressful.

Sometimes I feel so sheepish posting my updates: “I’m fine. Oh I’m not fine. Oh I banged my head and everything has changed. I’m fine with this, but not with that, except on alternate Tuesdays after a full moon on Monday night.”

I feel I’m subjecting you all to a bit too much.

So I often think “Don’t do it”, you’re just adding noise and reducing clarity in the thread”. But I realized there is no clarity! As far as I know there are no peer reviewed studies taking place on the health effects of these technologies on our eyes or nervous systems.

Even when there are reports of issues with aiming concentrate beams of infrared light into our eyes, what do companies do? They double down on ensuring we are required to let lasers blaze into our retinas to authenticate our identity and enable other features on future tech (I’m thinking of that article on Apple’s AR/VR goggles).

I do at least credit Samsung for removing their iris scanners from their phones. They never provided an explanation. But my husband and I suffered excruciating pain after just a few uses, sensitivity that increased dramatically with each use as though some form of damage taking place was cumulative, makes me wonder what Samsung knows about that technology or at least their implementation of it.

So I just figure put the information out there, maybe someone else is going through similar fluctuations in their comfort levels with different displays and other tech that can affect our eyes and brains.

Right now, all we have is each other.

My opthamologist was one of the most progressive medical professionals I’d ever dealt with. He was an avid reader and had immense curiosity and a desire to view the patient as a whole being whose visual health was part of an entire body system. He was the one who told me my problems with my eyelids was an autoimmune problem, specifically asthma. I had no idea I might’ve had asthma. I didn’t have the typical attacks that we all know about, until just a few years ago, and even then, only if I’m very sick with something else. So I was skeptical. But he was ultimately proven right.

And even he has exhibited zero intellectual or professional curiosity about the pwm stuff. He’s not the doc I knew years ago. But he is older like me now. Lol we grew old together. He’s probably just trying to coast his practice into a secure retirement despite the impacts of Covid.

Covid has changed so much. Doctors don’t have time or energy to contemplate anything “exotic”. I don’t know any that I’ve tried to deal with recently who isn’t massively backed up on patients and is basically in a state of constant triage of their patients’ appointments.

And this Fall it’s not just Covid. Our school system has been hit with several intense viruses with heavy impacts on staff and students.
 
I'm not convinced it's *just* pwm (for me).
Think the brightness of these displays has something to do with it.
I know I get irritations sooner when I turn the display up.
Or, once I get irritated other light sources seem to annoy as well.
So I try to keep the display dim, around 15% at the moment, evening, dim room.


Absolutely, and this seems to make it even more complicated to get to the bottom of what's going on.

Do you feel that you are good with that 15% brightness, no issues with the display at that point? Or is there some mild irritation, from the PWM?
 
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I'm curious if there is a pattern with certain models. Was the XR that was ok from AT&T a different color/config than the one that wasn't? Which config/color is your current SE? Like maybe they only use the "good" screens in the silver/white production line vs the more irritating ones in the space grey. idk seems a like a whacky theory, but I'm trying to get an idea if there is any predictability in this?
The one from AT&T was 64 gb base configuration but it was made about 3 years after my first one came out.
 
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Today i tried the Ipad Air 5 at the apple store and i get eye strain / headache pretty instant! Instead, the Ipad 10 seems ok, so i can try it! I am stuck with the ipad air 2 so i need an upgrade..

As for the phone, I am staying with the iphone X and will make one last attempt with the iPhones 15, if it goes wrong I will go back to android with the pixels.
Sorry to hear you're having some issues. Have you tried the 13 mini, by any chance? I absolutely hated the OLED on the XS (which I returned after one day) and most recently on the 14 Pro (which met a similar fate). The 12 I had previously didn't, and now my 13 mini doesn't, give my eyes such a hard time, but there is that little bit of OLED "bite" when scrolling. Seems smoother with recent software updates, though.
 
9 to 5 Mac is reporting today (rumors) that the next SE design isnt finalized yet and that Apple is considering 2 sizes, 5.7 and 6.1, AND hasn’t decided between OLED and LCD. It’s bad enough that this phone likely won’t come until the spring of 2024 and won’t be anything near a flagship. But now OLED is possibly in play? Take it with a truckload of salt but that could be bad.
 
9 to 5 Mac is reporting today (rumors) that the next SE design isnt finalized yet and that Apple is considering 2 sizes, 5.7 and 6.1, AND hasn’t decided between OLED and LCD. It’s bad enough that this phone likely won’t come until the spring of 2024 and won’t be anything near a flagship. But now OLED is possibly in play? Take it with a truckload of salt but that could be bad.
The number crunchers over at Apple HQ are probably working through the figures to see what will be cheaper to resurrect, the iPhone X/XS design with OLED (using an aluminum frame) or the XR/11 with LCD. Depending on supply chain availability and bulk pricing negotiations, they could very well move to OLED for the SE to save money and simplify production. That would be unfortunate for sure, but I could see it if they don't update the SE again until 2024.
 
The number crunchers over at Apple HQ are probably working through the figures to see what will be cheaper to resurrect, the iPhone X/XS design with OLED (using an aluminum frame) or the XR/11 with LCD. Depending on supply chain availability and bulk pricing negotiations, they could very well move to OLED for the SE to save money and simplify production. That would be unfortunate for sure, but I could see it if they don't update the SE again until 2024.

It's too bad we can't get the X/XS design with an LCD display. Hell, I want the Mini size/design with an LCD display, but I know that won't happen. Next best thing would be 5.7" with LCD.... but all we can do is wait and see what is decided.
 
Sorry to hear you're having some issues. Have you tried the 13 mini, by any chance? I absolutely hated the OLED on the XS (which I returned after one day) and most recently on the 14 Pro (which met a similar fate). The 12 I had previously didn't, and now my 13 mini doesn't, give my eyes such a hard time, but there is that little bit of OLED "bite" when scrolling. Seems smoother with recent software updates, though.

I have not tried many apple products because I am afraid to make too many returns.

I can tell you that I can use: iphone 6S and X. I can't use iphone 13P and 14P.

For ipads I can use ipad air 2 I could not use ipad pro 10.5".

I have never used MACs but tried a couple for curiosity, MBA 2018 and MBP 16" 2019, both sent back, totally unusable for me.

Next year I will have to change cars and I am already scared...I will have to rent it to make sure I am not sick with all these screens.
 
9 to 5 Mac is reporting today (rumors) that the next SE design isnt finalized yet and that Apple is considering 2 sizes, 5.7 and 6.1, AND hasn’t decided between OLED and LCD. It’s bad enough that this phone likely won’t come until the spring of 2024 and won’t be anything near a flagship. But now OLED is possibly in play? Take it with a truckload of salt but that could be bad.
I saw it and it makes me worried. It is my upgrade plan. Without a new LCD model there's no upgrade path after the 11 and what happens then? Get a feature phone and carry an iPad? But the iPads are being messed with too...
 
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